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providencebikes 10-24-17 05:57 PM

Training on a tri bike
 
could anyone give an option about the advantage of switching from standard road bikes like aluminum frame carbon fork type bikes to triathlon bike , does it give you a better work out and more speed and performance , or are they the same , i saw a few tri bikes i could afford , but i have never been on one ,

i was also wondering if training on a better bike with more aero and better parts makes it too easy and reduces the benefit of training , should i train on a crappy bike and just try to go harder or get the best bike i can afford ...

mcours2006 10-24-17 06:24 PM

Unless you're training for a triathlon or some kind of TT race, don't buy a triathlon bike. The geometry is different; it puts more pressure on the softer tissue when you're on the saddle. The handling is dicey. Also, if you're planning to do group rides your club may not allow TT bikes.

As for a TT bike making it easy, in the famous words of G. Lemond, it doesn't get easier; you just get faster.

Get a decent road bike and work on your fitness, as well as the ability to ride in a more aero position--either in the drops or with hands on hood and elbows level with bar.

providencebikes 10-24-17 06:29 PM

ok i see but would taking the tt bike frame and putting normal drop bars give me an advantage in training , getting more fit , and being able to ride faster longer or , basically just use the frame for a cheap earo boost without paying a lot , i have 22 lbs bikes now are tt bike lighter , stiffer , i dont know much about them ..

noruckus 10-24-17 06:32 PM

I can't tell you about the advantage, yes you are more aero which means more speed, as to better work out and performance, i think is totally up to you, it's all about what you put into a ride,
Riding a tri bike takes more than just being able to ride a bike. You want to get good on a road bike and learn how to ride, then ride in a group, you will learn a lot, then move on to a tri bike and ride by yourself, for most newbies riding in the tri position are dangerous. True roadies will not ride with you, unless your are an accomplished rider within the group.

mcours2006 10-24-17 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by providencebikes (Post 19950718)
ok i see but would taking the tt bike frame and putting normal drop bars give me an advantage in training , getting more fit , and being able to ride faster longer or , basically just use the frame for a cheap earo boost without paying a lot , i have 22 lbs bikes now are tt bike lighter , stiffer , i dont know much about them ..

As I said, a TT frame has a geometry that puts the saddle further forward. It is not the most comfortable riding position, especially if you stick a set of drop bars on it. Get your aero boost by riding in a more aeor position on your road bike. You will not gain any aeor advantage with a TT frame with drop bars vs a road bike with drop bars.

Also, the weight of the bike is almost a non-issue, and 22 pounds is not that heavy.

Anyway, it sounds like you're bent on trying to make this work. Maybe someone else will chime in and give you what you want to hear.:rolleyes:

noruckus 10-24-17 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by providencebikes (Post 19950718)
ok i see but would taking the tt bike frame and putting normal drop bars give me an advantage in training , getting more fit , and being able to ride faster longer or , basically just use the frame for a cheap earo boost without paying a lot , i have 22 lbs bikes now are tt bike lighter , stiffer , i dont know much about them ..

No, the tt frame will not give you an advantage in training, it's lighter and more aero, hence faster, your not better the tt bike is making you faster because it's lighter and aero.

noruckus 10-24-17 07:04 PM

Lets put it this way.
If you were to ride a 15 lbs tt bike up a 20 % grade hill for 1 mile at x number of minutes n seconds. Then 1 hour latter, ride a road bike up the same hill but 10 lbs heavier and a few seconds slower, does it it mean you were more fit on the tt bike.

Steve B. 10-24-17 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by mcours2006 (Post 19950705)
Unless you're training for a triathlon or some kind of TT race, don't buy a triathlon bike. The geometry is different; it puts more pressure on the softer tissue when you're on the saddle. The handling is dicey. Also, if you're planning to do group rides your club may not allow TT bikes.

As for a TT bike making it easy, in the famous words of G. Lemond, it doesn't get easier; you just get faster.

Get a decent road bike and work on your fitness, as well as the ability to ride in a more aero position--either in the drops or with hands on hood and elbows level with bar.

I’m going to agree with all of this except the handling comment.

A well designed Tri bike, Quintana Roo comes to mind, has the geometry to allow for good handling when the rider is on aero bar. Are you further from the brake levers ?, yes and one reason club rides don’t want you on the bars in a group.

And as to the OP, you train on the bike you are going to use for a race or long event rides, etc.... if you do triathlons, a Tri bike will maximize your race effort, saving your legs for the run, and be efficient at higher speeds. If doing fast club rides, long event rides, then a standard road bike is a better choice.

DMC707 10-24-17 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by noruckus (Post 19950767)
No, the tt frame will not give you an advantage in training, it's lighter and more aero, hence faster, your not better the tt bike is making you faster because it's lighter and aero.

Many times, the TT bike is heavier by a good margin ---- clamp on aero bars plus the heavy bladed profile of the frame members on a lot of these things, -- as well as deep section wheels -- add up to a heavier (but more aero ) bike

noruckus 10-25-17 07:08 PM

Ok guys, DMC707, Steve B. mcours2006, I spoke before learning more. My comment about weight of tt bikes were inaccurate, I'm a newbie and have been only riding a road bike for just over 2 years. I should read a little better as to OP post What I wanted to get at was, lighter bike, more aero bike will make you faster, only good training will really make you faster.

Ironfish653 10-26-17 12:14 AM

TT (Time Trial) and Tri bikes are different cats with the same stripes. Both are intended for use on closed course, racing environments. Where a TT bike is all about going as fast as possible, the Tri bike is about going as fast as efficiently as possible. Remember in Tri, after you get off the bike, you still have to run, so you tend to ride higher and more forward on a Tri bike than a TT. Time Trials also usually feature corners and climbs, Tri bike 'legs' are typically flat and straight. Either way, Aero is a big part of it, so you see the bladed frame tubes, forward controls, and spoke/disk/super-deep-v wheels.

I would venture to say that (in the US) there are far more people doing Triathlon, than TT, so what you call a TT bike is probably a Tri bike.
As far as training, the Tri guys that I run/ride with have at least two bikes. The Tri bike usually sees most of it's miles on a stationary trainer, other than race day. if we're out on an open road or in a group of 2 or more bikes, its a 'standard' road bike.

providencebikes 10-26-17 05:47 PM

ok so im was just wondering if the tt or tri style bikes would give a person a aero hack advantage without spending a lot of money for an aero road bike , i ask this as more of a hack than what i want to do , if you can get a 500 tt or tri style bike and train on it like a road bike will you gain a hack advantage , as opposed to spending 4000 on a road bike with an aero frame wheels ect..... **********?

Steve B. 10-26-17 06:14 PM

You really only gain an advantage with an aero bike when riding over 18-20 steadily. Lots of little things come into play, shape of tubes, body position, rim and tire diameter, wheel and spoke design, aero helmet, size of your...... JK.

Possibly the easiest and cheapest might be a clip on aero bar. Using that sometimes affects handling of a traditional road bike, whose geometry wants your body higher and further back. For decades amateur triathletes have simply used aero bars to just get a speed advantage when hammering at 20+. Doesn’t really help the leg muscles, when that 78 deg. seat tube angle will. Thus in degrees and level of seriousness you gravitate to a dedicated Tri bike. And take a weight penalty, which is why some Tri geeks will simply use a standard road bike on a hilly course.

Bottom line is always assume that more bikes in the stable is better.

stykthyn 10-26-17 07:06 PM

Are just trying to get faster or are you wanting to train for a specific event? Speed comes with conditioning. What bike are you on now?

atwl77 10-26-17 08:40 PM

Even if you got your extra boost of speed from your hax tt/tri training bike whilst training, I don't think standard road races will allow tt/tri bikes unless it is specifically a tt or tri event so you will still lose that hax while racing.

Steve B. 10-28-17 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by atwl77 (Post 19955405)
Even if you got your extra boost of speed from your hax tt/tri training bike whilst training, I don't think standard road races will allow tt/tri bikes unless it is specifically a tt or tri event so you will still lose that hax while racing.

US Cycling sanctioned road races do not allow any aero bars of any kind in a group race.

HerrKaLeun 10-28-17 03:45 PM

For training I would use the same bike as for the actual race. That way you know you have dialed in all fitting and are comfortable with it.

Some people use training bikes, but that is more for the reason to "save" the expensive drivetrain and other components. That training bike being cheaper, often means it is heavier and less aero. So there is more training effect. So if you need or want a separate bike for training, it should be a "harder to ride" type.

Obviously there always is a reason for N+1. So buy whatever you think makes you happy.


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