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Old 11-14-17, 12:15 PM
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Ultegra 6500 Project Build

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I recently got my hands on a salvaged Trek 5200 with an full Ultegra 6500 triple chain ring group set. The components and most of the bike is in great use condition. The only flaw is a crack in the carbon rear seat stay.

Therefore, I am planning on swapping the entire bike to a new/used frame and making a some cool wall art with the frame (and maybe fork).

Anyone have any suggestions on which frame I should look into or have done something like this before??
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That group might look pretty sweet on a vintage steel frame, maybe something from the 70's or 80's.

Not sure about the clamp size on the FD. Might be braze-on, in which case you'd need an adapter.
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Old 11-14-17, 12:45 PM
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That group might look pretty sweet on a vintage steel frame, maybe something from the 70's or 80's.
That would be excellent. I have an old 1990 Fuji Absolute with a budget Shimano Tourney 7 spd group set and I love how it rides.

I can imagine an old frame with a nicer group set would be a dream. Would I have trouble fitting all the parts on the older 6 speed frame? I am concerned about the dropouts being too narrow to take the modern 9spd wheels.
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Your 9-sp wheel is going to have a dropout of 130mm whereas your frame is 126mm. You can fit 130m onto a steel 126 without any problems.
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I'd also go with a modern handlebar to go with the STI shifters. Those old-style drop bars weren't meant to take on brifters. You can run them, but they won't be all that comfortable or look good.
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modern 9spd? 11spd is modern for today if we are talking road bike. Irregardless there are plenty of vintage bikes that have the 130mm spacing on the rear that you need for anything up to and including 11 speed cassettes.

70's bikes you have to check closely, the closer you get to the 90's and later you have less worry. But a steel frame will usually spread easily enough if it is 123 to 125mm already.
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That is good news! I had to throw a washer on the axle when I upgraded my Fuji from 6-7spd due to the larger freewheel so I am glad I won't have to mess around too much with the newer cassette wheels.

I am planning on using the handlebars and shifters from the salvaged Trek 5200.

Are there steel frames out here with non-slotted drop outs? I like the newer ones where the wheel just sits in and I do not have to eye-ball the rear wheel alignment each time I install it.
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Are there steel frames out here with non-slotted drop outs? I like the newer ones where the wheel just sits in and I do not have to eye-ball the rear wheel alignment each time I install it.
I've not noticed one, but I'd recommend the frames that have dropouts with the set screws in them. Usually on the higher end bikes of the day, but today those bikes are 75 to 150 dollar bikes. Maybe twice that if in very good riding condition, which is not really what you want since you are building it up. The frame alone less.
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modern 9spd? 11spd is modern for today if we are talking road bike. Irregardless there are plenty of vintage bikes that have the 130mm spacing on the rear that you need for anything up to and including 11 speed cassettes.
Modern meaning era of STI, and last time I check they still sell Claris 8-speed, Sora nine, and Tiagra 10, but regardless, the rear OLD is a non-issue.

Yes, 11-speed is the pinnacle of modern drivetrains, but lower tiers do exist in modern bike technology.
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would it be worth looking into a modern steel/allow frame with a more relaxed geometry? the old frames tend to be pretty "racey" for me and I already have a bike like that with my Fuji.
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How much are you willing to spend on the frame? That would help to nail down which model/manufacturer/era.


I agree on sticking with Japanese frames, though.
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Originally Posted by sreuter13 View Post
Anyone have any suggestions on which frame I should look into or have done something like this before??
I build up frames all the time. Its pretty common.
Instead if looking for a specific frame, look for a specific size.
Being brand and model neutral will result in a better and larger pool of possible frames.

Looking only for a Paramount means you miss a beautiful 853 tubed lemond.
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I willing to use anything that will fit my components. I am not particular about make, model, or year, just need something that fits (56-58cm) and not CFRP.

As for budget, I am thinking around $150 for a frame&fork used. I am open to new frames as well if there is something decent under $300 that can take 32mm tires
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Threading, spacing, and brake reach are the things to check for in putting newer components on older frames. Generally for the late 80's up you'll find rear spacing to fall in the 128 (allowed 126 and 130 spaced wheels)-130mm category


Retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos
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Are there steel frames out here with non-slotted drop outs? I like the newer ones where the wheel just sits in and I do not have to eye-ball the rear wheel alignment each time I install it.
Few and far between. I have an 80's Koga-Miyata in the works with vertical dropouts. One of the few I've seen with them. That's what the adjusting screws on horizontal drop outs are for - to set alignment of the wheel without thinking.
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I willing to use anything that will fit my components. I am not particular about make, model, or year, just need something that fits (56-58cm) and not CFRP.

As for budget, I am thinking around $150 for a frame&fork used. I am open to new frames as well if there is something decent under $300 that can take 32mm tires
$150 for a quality frame and fork may be a bit tight. With that said, the C&V has its own for sale forum and there is always new stuff being sold. Every transaction ive had, both buying and selling, as been easy and accurate. If you have time and are patient, you could find a frame in your size that’s quality at that price. https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage-sales/


I am unaware of anything under $300 that’s new and can take 32mm tires that’s also quality. $300 is a really aggressive pricepoint to find new cromo framesets.


This meets the price, but it shows 28mm max tire, though it has vertical dropouts like you want. https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FRHOBR...audax-frameset $173 plus shipping from England.
Each time I see it, I am shocked it can be sold for so cheap.


There is this new frame for $300 on closeout, but in XL only. I mention it because perhaps the stack and reach geometry works for you. It’s a sloping top tube, so seat tube length is meaningless https://www.evo.com/outlet/urban/tra...hoCFT8QAvD_BwE

New Albion is a budget division of Soma, for all intents and purposes. Tange Infinity tubing instead of Prestige, basically. This frame and fork is $370 total, but has vertical dropouts like you want and can fit 32mm tires(based on long reach brakes being required).
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=87341 $289 for the frame right now using the 15% off internet code listed at the top of the page.
https://www.modernbike.com/product-2...RoCvMcQAvD_BwE $82 for the fork.
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Thanks for the detailed response. These are some really nice options for road bike frames that I should be able to build up with my group set.

Are there any options floating around for an alloy hybrid frame that I could use?

I am thinking that something like a Trek FX frame and wheel set would be perfect but I am not sure if manufactures sell just those parts together. The main thing is I would like to use either disc or V brakes instead of the Ultegra calipers. Mainly for tire and fender clearance.
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Bummer you're not in the Pacific Northwet, I have a late 80's, 56cm Davidson steel frame waiting for paint/components. It's too big for me (5'6"/29" inseam), so I picked up a 54cm (complete bike) a couple months ago.
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Bummer you're not in the Pacific Northwet
Funny you should mention that region, I am actually on an internship in the SF bay area. Still have the frame??
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Funny you should mention that region, I am actually on an internship in the SF bay area. Still have the frame??
Yes. It's sitting at a body shop waiting for paint. Well, I've been visiting Davidson in hopes of getting decals, the body shop owner has been visiting the frame owner's family (the frame owner is deceased) in an attempt to locate the components. Since the frame doesn't fit me, and the shop owner isn't particularly interested in cycling, we've been dragging our feet. From a financial standpoint it's a money pit, and merely a labor of love to save what could be a nice bike. For comparison, one is locally (unsold for weeks) on Craigslist for $1100.
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Here's my bike with the same group-set.
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Here's my bike with the same group-set.
That is exactly what I am looking for, nice build!

I would like to sell the fancy wheels, brakes, and fork on my broken bike then use the money to get a hybrid frame with mega tire/fender clearance for non-winter commuting.

Do manufactures like Trek, Giant etc. sell just the frame/fork for thier hybrid models? Would a bike shop be able to hook me up with just a frame/fork?
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Do manufactures like Trek, Giant etc. sell just the frame/fork for thier hybrid models? Would a bike shop be able to hook me up with just a frame/fork?
I think you could certainly ask at one or more local shops. You could also look on PerformanceBike, Nashbar or another on-line supplier for frame/fork-only options. Nashbar has some titanium frames(!).
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