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Old 11-27-17, 06:21 PM
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Bike Locks

I just picked up an old but useful bike at an estate sale for $20, a 1970-something Sears 10 speed touring bike. It's in good shape but as far as I can tell it's not really worth much other than its retro-cool value. Regardless, I wouldn't want it stolen but do I need to spend $75 on a lock? I live in a suburban area (Overland Park, KS) that is not ideal for commuter type riding so there aren't a ton of bike commuters around, but I would really like to ride it to the grocery store, out for lunch or coffee, nearby errands, etc. Any recommendations on a good cheap lock that could keep it relatively safe for an hour or so while I run in somewhere? I had an equally useful/cheap bike for 2 weeks in 2010 when I lived in Tempe, AZ but I didn't know about their prolific "bike share" program, for people with bolt cutters :-/. I haven't had one since, until now, and I would like to own this beauty for more than 2 weeks this time!
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Old 11-27-17, 07:12 PM
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get a big kryptonite chain lock of dooooom
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Old 11-27-17, 11:55 PM
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When it comes to theft deterrence, having a cheap old bike is half the battle, and you're already winning on that front.

You can pick up this lock from Harbor Freight for about $15 with a 20% off coupon. It's a disc detainer style lock which means even crims that knock how to pick a lock, probably won't have the tools necessary to pick that style of lock. And the chain is beefy enough (12mm) that anything smaller than 36" bolt cutters won't do anything to it.
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Old 11-28-17, 06:56 AM
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Way back when I was in college we used to joke that all bikes weighed 40 pounds. You could ride a 20 pound bike (bikes weighed more back then) and carry a 20 pound lock or you could ride a 40 pound bike and not bother with a lock.

My philosophy is that the first lock that you use to protect your bike, regardless how cheesy, is going to be about 90% effective. That's because it forces the thief to bring some kind of tool with him. As you progress from 90% effective to 99% effective, you engage in a progressively more expensive and more weighty contest with the thief. There is no 100% effective lock.

You are riding in a relatively low bike theft area and have a low theft risk bike. If it was my bike, I'd just use a cable lock.
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You don't need to spend $70 on a new lock. You can pickup an OnGuard U-Lock for $30-$40 almost anywhere.
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Old 11-29-17, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by General Geoff View Post
When it comes to theft deterrence, having a cheap old bike is half the battle, and you're already winning on that front.
Agreed on the old bike thing, though I had an old Raleigh for exactly 2 weeks in Tempe, chained right outside my gated apt complex window, that disappeared. Maybe it's a worthless bike, but it's MY worthless bike and it felt crappy when my it went missing. I will get to harbor freight and pick up this lock though since the price is right, and let the chips fall where they may! The bike theft situation in the midwest 'burbs seems less worrisome than Phoenix. Thanks for the advice!
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Old 11-29-17, 04:41 PM
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I'd get an inexpensive U-lock. You can get them for under $20. A good thief would probably be able to break it in seconds, but hopefully a cheap bike wouldn't be worth the effort. An amateur thief would probably be discouraged by any U-lock.
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Old 11-29-17, 07:51 PM
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This is my downtown overnight lock set.

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Go the cheap lock and a twist:
If you are a regular at a coffee or lunch stop, leave a 2 foot chain (wrapped in an old inner tube) and padlock on a pole or light post and only carry the key around.
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Old 11-30-17, 03:27 AM
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This is my downtown overnight lock set.




Originally Posted by TakingMyTime View Post
You don't need to spend $70 on a new lock. You can pickup an OnGuard U-Lock for $30-$40 almost anywhere.
I was looking at the On Guard U-Lock and I am going to get one... I am also going to buy a Chain.. I really want one of those Abus Folding locks like the Abus Bordo Granit X 6500.. But that one is pricey..
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Old 11-30-17, 08:10 AM
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That HF lock is identical to the OnGuard Lock - I compared them and you cant tell the difference, except for the name. Buy the HF lock!
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Old 11-30-17, 08:22 AM
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just get something that makes it appear that the bike is locked from a distance (yes, a fake lock). that's the deterrent

like all have said, if they want it, they will defeat any lock. if it gets stolen get another one
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Old 11-30-17, 08:37 AM
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I agree with Flip and the others. There are many good locks on the market but a determined thief can defeat any of them.
I feel that most of the stolen bikes occur either when the bike is left unlocked or is left locked for a period of time like over night. Here in central Iowa there are usually several bikes sitting around and most of them are unlocked. So any lock I place on mine makes it inconvenient for a thief. Remember chiefs are basically lazy people so they will usually steal the easiest bike they see.
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Old 11-30-17, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mrFreel View Post
Remember chiefs are basically lazy people so they will usually steal the easiest bike they see.
Doing so also makes for the fastest getaway, making it less likely that they will be caught. Also, less conspicuous tools can get the job done.


Several years ago I rode to a market. AsI was locking up my bike with a Kryptonite U-lock and cable a woman right next to me was locking up her bike with a cheap chain. I took a block walk to a c-store to get a newspaper. As I was walking back to the market I saw a tweeker looking guy riding away on the woman's bike. He had a small duffel bag over his shoulder. Found the woman inside the market and asked her if she had leant her bike to anyone. When she told me no, I told her someone had stolen her bike. The bag the thief had probably had a basic set of cutter inside that he had used to cut the cheap chain. No way he could have gotten through my lock or cable with anything that small in that short a time period with lots of foot traffic behind. Because he found a easily defeated chain he was able to do a quick cut, grab and go.
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Old 11-30-17, 09:44 AM
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I really want one of those Abus Folding locks like the Abus Bordo Granit X 6500.. But that one is pricey..

there are less expensive models from Abus in their Bordo folding link, line, the 6000 is one step lower in cost ,
at a C note, 6 link .. there is an 8 link one also , just a little more reach , around stuff..

but there are lower cost than that too, the security rating and weight go down , but the folding easy to carry pouch,
convenience is a benefit to all of them.

such as ... https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Secu...rip-BORDO-5700








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also, there is frame mounted ring lock,& chain combos, and armored cable type locks ... & integrated lock and security chain combos..


Note, You can use your good, secure, lock in the future on a bike that did not cost $20....






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I also live in a relatively low-crime area. Although I commute most days, our office has a bike storage room with key card access. So most of the time when I lock it up outside, its at a grocery store, coffee shop, restaurant, etc. on a busy sidewalk. When I do that I just use a sturdy cable lock that probably cost me $20. It sounds like that's what you would be doing for the most part, so I would recommend that or an inexpensive U Lock. With an older bike in that situation you are really just worried about the drunk kid who decides he wants to take your bike on a joy ride.
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I have three bikes. For short term grocery runs, bank, lunch, etc. I use a medium cable lock. I get both wheels and the frame and take my water bottle(s) and odometer/computer with me. My flashers are either held on with hose clamps, or bolts due to custom/diy mounts, but the two that aren't haven't ever "walked away". My helmet light and flasher goes with me (with the helmet) and my main headlight has a quick release and comes with me. I usually ride with a backpack (racked or worn) so carrying the water bottle(s) is easy.

I mentioned here a month ago or so that on a whim I hopped on my wife's comfort bike in street clothes and rode a mile to the store using just a light cable lock (through the wheels, frame and seat frame (quick release seatpost).
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Just don't use a cable lock. Hand cutters go through them, thieves actually go for them first, so using one is almost an invite. There are figures flying around of 90 percent of bikes stolen being secured with one. There's a cut one outside my apartment atm.

When i go to the shop on a manual bike i just put a small ally-bodied padlock around the chain/chainring. A few people have tried to ride off and gone over the handlebars as soon as the pedals stop, usually on the Merlin.

But if you're gonna walk away for more than two mins you really need to iron it to an object. A chain doesn't need to be very long, the shorter you can cut it down, the lighter it'll be, or you could just use a cheap U-lock. For my e-bike i just go around the rear wheel if my little Kryptonite can't reach through the frame as well, they'd have to take the rear suspension arms apart to get the wheel off.

A lock only buys you time. Deterrent is everything but a chordless angle grinder will go through anything.

My seatpost has a 300 battery on it so i've done the same with the seat clamp as i did with the front wheel - no tool fits it, as i used stainless bolts and drilled the hex slots. This method helps make parts difficult to remove (but the bolts stay pretty). Naturally this is the case for you too, not good for things you regularly adjust then, but 5mins with a drill at home is one thing, on a street it's another.

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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
there are less expensive models from Abus in their Bordo folding link, line, the 6000 is one step lower in cost ,
at a C note, 6 link .. there is an 8 link one also , just a little more reach , around stuff..

but there are lower cost than that too, the security rating and weight go down , but the folding easy to carry pouch,
convenience is a benefit to all of them.

such as ... https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Secu...rip-BORDO-5700


I will never buy the Abus Bordo 5700.. The lock doesn't even need to be picked.. a simple shim can get the lock off.. like... even a butter knife.. Any Lock where you do not have to defeat the lock itself or it's housing and you can just bypass it with a shim is a lock I will never buy..

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YGWYPF,,, the higher end locks use a more complicated key-cylinder, as well, here is one with a 4 number combination locking mech.

https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Secu...ombo-Lite-6150

looked at the key to the front door of your house? they're mostly single row pin type..


Don't lose track, the OP got a yard sale bike for $20.. it may not be about You.





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YGWYPF,,, the higher end locks use a more complicated key-cylinder, as well, here is one with a 4 number combination locking mech.

https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Secu...ombo-Lite-6150

looked at the key to the front door of your house? they're mostly single row pin type..


Don't lose track, the OP got a yard sale bike for $20.. it may not be about You.





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I know, it is not about me, why even say that?
with a $20 yard sale bike you don't need a super high security lock.. id spend $40-50 just to have a decent lock to sway opportunistic thieves..

and this is why I started a new thread about higher end locks..

for his bike the lite folding lock would be fine.. or that on guard ulock..
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with a $20 yard sale bike you don't need a super high security lock..
for his bike the lite folding lock would be fine.. or that on guard ulock..
We don't do bike shaming here. Probably lots of folks wouldn't bother with a lock at all for whatever you or I are riding. Doesn't mean we want them stolen....
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We don't do bike shaming here. Probably lots of folks wouldn't bother with a lock at all for whatever you or I are riding. Doesn't mean we want them stolen....
Im not shaming his bike..
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Originally Posted by Juggy_Gales View Post
Oh please ! Any professional locksmith with the correct barrel lock tools can pick any lock out there on a work bench. I seriously doubt that there’s many bike thieves with correct picks to cover all shackle locks. No lock is 100%, the idea is to slow them down, if it takes more than a minute or two to defeat a lock, most thieves will move on.
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