Juggy_Gales

So We have seen what the suggestions were for Bike Locks for a Cheaper Bike.. But What if you lay some decent dough down and you don't want your bike to be cherry picked off the rack and rode off into the sunset by
Mr "EZ-Rider"?

One of the Locks I am really Considering is this pricey Abus Bordo Granit X 6500


Another is the On Guard U-Lock.. Which is fine but I would want some sort of Chain lock as well to go around wheels.. I do NOT trust cable locks..

jpescatore

There's locking up your bike and then there's locking up your bike. Most (99%) of my locking need is of the "keep the honest people honest" type - like outside a convenience store at a snack/restroom stop. Can't see carrying a 3 lb lock for that - I have a hardened cable lock that weights about 1 lb that I've used successfully for 25 years or so on cheap and expensive bikes.

I was thinking about one of the lighter weight ones for that purpose, like the Otto lock - there is an Outside magazine video showing a bolt cutter going right through a cable lock like mine but not being able to get through the Ottolock - and the largest one only weights 235g.

When I commuted by bike, I was able to bring the bike in the building but I could see an expensive/heavy lock for locking up all day outside the building or at mass transit.

1989Pre 

If I still lived in a big city, it would be a challenge to retain ownership of the quality bikes that I now own. I have a Blackburn Attica, which is a lot like the OnGuard chain/padlock that O.P. has, but, like jpe, I usually use either my 13mm TREK cable lock or my U.S.-made Master D-lock.
I'm not really a fan of surveillance cameras, but putting your bike in range of one can be a plus, making any locking system doubly effective. No crook wants to get a knock on the door 15 minutes after he gets home. Also, as many have noted in earlier "best lock" strings, don't even think of leaving it out at night.
My biggest challenge, right now, is not securing the frame, but the components. Primarily, handlebar, stem, pedals and brake calipers. I wouldn't think of leaving the bike out at night, though, so they stay mine.
I'd like to ask O.P. what the principle behind the Abus Bordo Granit X 6500 is: Do those knuckles cause the arms to shift when someone tries to cut it?

TakingMyTime

I'm just curious as to why one would need to leave your bike outside overnight in the first place? I mean, if I owned any bike regardless of value, if I was required to leave it out overnight anywhere, I would be pleasantly surprised if it was still there the next morning no matter what city I was in.

shelbyfv

How many lock threads are needed on the first page?

rydabent

Any of those can be defeated in less than a minute by a battery powered cut off grinder. Simply stated if you want to keep your bike, keep it with you.

1989Pre 

I think security (at home or away) is something we should keep talking about, even if it means creating new posts. Anyway, that gizmo at the top of this page is something I've never seen.

shelbyfv

If you are referring to the lock, you can see it again about five threads down where OP double posted it.

Juggy_Gales

The Abus Bordo Granit X is just both hard to cut and hard to pick, you can't bypass it's security and it folds up to a decent size..

I wouldn't leave any bike out overnight.. I just want something good enough for me to go into a store or grab food..

Most any lock can be defeated and in pretty quick time if the thief has the right tools and is very skilled.. I am just trying to make my bike the least appealing to steal.. and or the most pain in the ass.

I agree, I wouldn't leave mine overnight either.. screw that.. I just am looking for maximum of a few hrs

The answer to this is.. 2, we needed 2

Yes a Grinder can pretty much cut through any "high security" lock quickly.. Part of locking it up well isn't that it is
unable to be stolen.. but to be the most pain in the ass to steal.. If my bike is worth more.. But will take longer to steal or make too much of a scene/noise to steal.. they may change target..

and the simple truth is.. If you are out and need to run into the store.. or want to grab some food while out.. you may not be able to bring it with you... so lock it up as best as possible.

SO yes the Abus Granit X is expensive.. But I feel will be one of my best choices for locks due to its size and strength in comparison to some other locks.. Though Combining it with a Ulock for protection would be even better..
and just be that extra bit of a pain in the ass to steal..


as for components.. yea.. those are vulnerable and we gotta just hope they don't have the tools to mess with it.
We never want to leave our bikes unattended but for the times we do.. I would most certainly like to have a quality lock that will deter most opportunistic thieves.. and try to deter a more skilled one because it will take more times to defeat.

MikeyMK

This. Appropriately to comments in this thread, i've covered securing components in the other topic.

1989Pre 

Have you "covered" the Abus Bordo Granit X?

Juggy_Gales

No, noone did..

I created this thread apart from the other thread because even though the title was "Bike Locks" which yes.. surely generalizes things enough to umbrella ALL Bike Locks..

But the subject of the Body of the thread was geared towards an older less expensive bikes.. that would bring on comments of a "good enough" bike lock..

What I am looking for is.. a Thread dedicated to the higher end lock types.. Ones that will defeat most thieves attempts.. Of course leaving out the deadly Grinder or Ramset Nail Hammer. Which both make a ton of noise.

I have listed a few of my favorites and wanted to see what other options were out there for high end bike locks, folding locks, chains etc

It really is not that big of a deal for there to be 2 threads.. no need to be all

shelbyfv

Never mind

Juggy_Gales

anything near $1000 and up through those $10k race bikes would constitute as higher end in my opinion...
sure there are those with $6k bikes riding everyday... and yes, they make my toughroad seem cheap..
yet to a thief.. they want what is easy to get..

anyways.. the second thread is here..

1989Pre 

I was directing my question to MikeyMK, not you.

Juggy_Gales

I know, I was in agreement with you.. with the "no noone did"
The explanation that followed was directed at the other people commenting who seemed disparaged about this Thread

I brought up the Granit X... but such a lock is silly for a $20 yard sale bike..

So I started this thread that would encompass high end locks for bikes that are more expensive.. where you may want to fork over more $ to protect it.

1989Pre 

I am with you. You can post whatever you want. If someone doesn't want to read it, that's their option. I thought that Granit X was cool! I'd like to know more about the construction of the padlock on the OnGuard, though. Maybe its a good thing that these companies don't hand out diagrams of the inner mechanisms of their locks, though!
Myself, If I am riding into the city, I have no problem carrying my 3lb. Attica lock in a fanny pack. My bikes are all custom set-ups, and I have modest means, so replacing any one of them would take years. Actually, once it's gone, it's gone. You can't replace an old friend.

Juggy_Gales

I agree, right now.. I don't have a lock and though my Bike is not a $5000 bike.. It would take me a long time to replace..
So, Considering I plan on riding this bike with friends and may pop in some stores or maybe ride and get a bite to eat somewhere.. I will have to leave this locked outside upwards of a couple hours.. so I would want my bike to be a NON appealing target from those who don't run around with an angle grinder but maybe bolt cutters or have some lock picking ability..

I will research the Attica .. I will probably end up with 2 locks.. I kind of want a chain lock and a folding lock.. Though I am considering that one On Guard U Lock as well... UGH..
I was looking up good un_pickable padlocks to lock the chain.. They weigh 2-3lbs and cost over $100 The struggle

General Geoff

Save yourself a lot of weight and locking procedure time, and use locking skewers to secure your wheels to your frame. You can also use security fasteners for disc brakes and other expensive components to prevent a common thief from walking off with them, unless they came prepared with specialty tools.

If you want a U-lock, the most secure right now is The Abus Granit Extreme 59. 16mm shackle. Nobody's getting through it without an angle grinder (which, by the way, will cut through every lock on the market in less than 5 minutes).

For chain, I recommend Pewag 12mm security chain: https://www.westechrigging.com/pewag...-012-galv.html

And pair it with your padlock of choice. I use an Abloy PL350. Some folks with deeper pockets than I prefer the Abloy PL362. An Abus 83/80 "Rock" padlock is a slightly cheaper alternative, though with a core that's not impossible to pick. Abus makes the 37RK/80 as well, which is probably their most secure padlock, but the shackle is so heavily shrouded that you can only fit a single link of chain into it. So you would need a more expensive custom security chain with a long end link to slip over the other end link and lock. For that you could use Abus' own 12KS 12mm or 14KS 14mm security chain.

Scooty Puff Jr

I sometimes stay at a friends place overnight in downtown St. Petersburg and bikes aren’t allowed on the elevators in her condo building, and no way Im carrying my 40 plus pound Surly up 11 flights of stairs. They have a covered bike rack outside but anyone can easily access it, so I lock it up with my heavy ass NY Fugetabout chain lock plus a smaller chain lock. Haven’t had an issue, yet, (fingers crossed).

General Geoff

That actually sounds like a good workout.

Juggy_Gales

Such a workout would kill me

ColonelSanders

I like the way you think.


I have multiple locks that I can use on my bike and it depends on where I am going/what I am doing.


I own 3 Abus U-Locks, the Granit Extreme 59, the Granit-X 54 300mm and the Granit-X 54 mini.


Normally I just use the Granit-X 54 300mm, as I believe it is the best all round lock one can buy, but when I am going to leave my bike in a less secure location for a while, I'll also use the Granit Extreme 59 and the Granit-X Mini as well, so if anyone wants to ride away with my bike, they will need to be doing about 6 to 8 minutes of constant angle grinding.


Whilst I always have the Granit-X 54 300mm U-lock on my bike, I also have the Abus 4850 Frame Lock, with a corresponding 1.5metre 6mm square link chain, that I will probably use to lock up my panniers and saddle, when I install the Abus 4850 frame lock on my bike.


Some time in 2018, I will acquire the Pewag 12mm Security chain and match it up with either an Abloy or the Abus 37RK/70(without the shroud, so both links of the Pewag 12mm chain will fit).

Juggy_Gales

See These are the comments I need.. I really like the answers I am getting..
I will over time buy a number of Locks.. Ill buy a decent one or 2 now..
and will prob get the very expensive ones as I go along.

Those Abloy locks are Beasts.. and even the Abus Rock is a nicely made lock.. all are expensive but
This is exactly what I was looking for.
I will def buy the Abus Granit X products.

That is a good idea for buying a chain so You can get the length you want.. I just wish I could get a end link that is extra long so I could loop the link

I will probably get that one folding Abus Bordo Granit X... and a chain with decent padlock.
I'll upgrade and add to my lock arsenal over time. Getting those sick locks..

I wish there was a decent GPS Tracker out to attach hidden on your bike.
I am going to start a Thread on it

Juggy_Gales

So one thing is.. Would be awesome to ride and get Tacos n Beer with ya.. I just need to get me a good Lock first.. and then.. I will be more than happy..

Do you by chance ride with a Helmet? If so.. which one do you recommend for a Big ol Noggin of a Head?