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Old 12-01-17, 08:21 AM
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Am betting that SA developed and started selling the "X series" initially to all riders

Then started getting enough of them returned, that they (SA) decided to build, market, sell a beefed up version of the X series

so that now we have the originally designed X series for lighter riders, and the new beefed up version for heavier riders

I bought a X series and rode it 3 or 4 times and could tell there was no way this thing was going to last even a year. So I returned it for the model without the cutout

Stil have not ridden it yet as I'm waiting on my moon saddle to explode first
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
The simple answer is ... lose 20 lbs.

And get a B17.

Ahh yes, the "simple" answer. Surely is simple for smaller framed people who never struggled with weight. For us on the "larger size of normal", not quite so simple, or easy.

I'm 57 with an 11 year old daughter. I decide a few years back to keep up with her, and for the best chance of extending my years with her, I would need to get in shape. So fast forward several years, I dropped 30-35 pounds and got below 200 for the first time in decades. Blood pressure lower, heart rate lower, blood work all looking good. Actually in better shape than when I was 27. I maintained that easily the past two years, eating what I want and staying at 195-ish.
Mostly attributed to bike riding. Not to mention I fell in love with it.

Last fall-winter other pursuits and interests, and the weather, made bike rides few and far between. I awakened this past spring with an extra 20-25 pounds, seemed to sneak up suddenly, and I have struggled all year to get rid of it and get my biking legs back under me. It took until September to build back up to comfortably riding 40-60 miles. Still struggling with that last 5 pounds and frankly, other than age, it is a mystery why it has been so difficult.

Without a doubt, conditioning at this age is VERY quickly lost.

I am a craftsman, full time retail shop owner, and frankly, being a craftsman, most of my days are spent in a sedentary job coupled with a level of "entrapment" this is the reality of retail. So it is indeed difficult to find time, or rather, make time to get out there and lay down 40 miles or so. It certainly requires time away from my family though thankfully, they are very tolerant and my wife very understanding that this is my "therapy" and "stress reliever". I'm just more pleasant to be around when I get to ride. I wish I had the freedom of time to ride like you with touring and randonneuring, but just can't at this stage of life.

And so YES! The simple solution would be to lose 20 pounds. Realistically not likely to happen though one can dream.

But I have registered your vote for the B-17. My only concern is the rail/adjustment length. I ride an XL frame on my new touring frame and still have to position the SA saddle pretty far back on the seatpost.
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Early on they glued another layer of stuff under the leather, for heavier riders ....

they retrofitted bare Brooks frame (Old dry leather tore like thick cardboard), I had, with their leather.... I resold it with in a month.


the Brooks Team pro I got in the mid 70's continues to serve..

[though my daily ride has a plastic composite saddle, due to rain, often, for 1/2~3/4 year ]
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Originally Posted by Ghazmh View Post
Was 220lbs when I first mounted it on my touring bike. I was 185 lbs when I tossed it. No significant or prolonged wet weather use. I covered it with a waterproof stuff sack at night when camping out (rain or not). For me I bought it because I wanted to be different, go against the grain and not buy a B17 like everyone else. My experience with the SA taught me that there is a good reason the B17 is so popular. I do absolutely love it, enough so that I bought a second for my hybrid as well.

Enjoy it until you can't. That's what I did. It wasn't uncomfortable, but it didn't last long enough for me to justify the cost.
Thanks for responding. Another vote for the B-17

Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rider View Post
Am betting that SA developed and started selling the "X series" initially to all riders

Then started getting enough of them returned, that they (SA) decided to build, market, sell a beefed up version of the X series

so that now we have the originally designed X series for lighter riders, and the new beefed up version for heavier riders


I bought a X series and rode it 3 or 4 times and could tell there was no way this thing was going to last even a year. So I returned it for the model without the cutout

Stil have not ridden it yet as I'm waiting on my moon saddle to explode first
That's what I'm reading into this. Though I love the SA, and it has and is, serving me well, my expectation and confidence is now such, that I would be very reluctant to spend that money on another one. I'm expecting a similar experience like yours and Ghazmh and now leaning toward the Brooks (coupled with the intrigue from the Brooks lovers and a need to satisfy a curiosity)
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Old 12-01-17, 08:49 AM
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@martianone will check out the GB Aravis. Thanks again!
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Your saddle is still the same one you bought. It won't suddenly fail just because they changed the specs for the new ones. If you need to buy another, get the one that is currently specified for your weight.
+1. Sometimes the answer really is simple.
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I really like my Anatomica, NSX, at just a shade over 200#. If I was in the market for another saddle, I would snap up that new one while it is still at an introductory price. No hesitation whatsoever!
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Old 12-01-17, 09:17 AM
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If I was in the market for another saddle, I would snap up that new one while it is still at an introductory price. No hesitation whatsoever!
Selle Anatomica, H-Series = $129.99
Brooks, B-17 = $86.99

Something to consider...
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Because cheaper is always better, right? For me at least, the price of the saddle is of penultimate concern.
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Originally Posted by WNCGoater View Post
Selle Anatomica, H-Series = $129.99
Brooks, B-17 = $86.99

Something to consider...
that's cheapest B17, machine set, small nickel plated brass rivets , (+ perhaps less select leather..)

the hand finished Copper rivets are part of the higher end versions of the B 17,

so price, then becomes a wash. Brooks' Ti Frame passes $200 +..




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Originally Posted by WNCGoater View Post
Selle Anatomica, H-Series = $129.99
Brooks, B-17 = $86.99

Something to consider...
I like my B-17. However, I lke my AnAtomica much more, and it was comfortable right out of the box. Took me a long time to break in the B-17.

I'm not tossing either one - but, I would buy the new AnAtomica H before I would buy another - won't be long, and they will be going for $200.

A bonus to me is that's it's made in the USA.

And, that is a decent price for a B-17!

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Gilles Berthoud Aspin

While not inexpensive, the Aspin uses thicker leather than the newer Brooks models but I found it comfortable from the start (pre-softened). BTW, I weigh about 220 lbs. (100 kg.) The Aspin and the Aravis are marketed as touring saddles, though I have no experience with the Aravis.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
that's cheapest B17, machine set, small nickel plated brass rivets , (+ perhaps less select leather..)

the hand finished Copper rivets are part of the higher end versions of the B 17,

so price, then becomes a wash. Brooks' Ti Frame passes $200 +..




..
So:
Nashbar has a B-17 for $129.99
Performance about the same, $130.00
Amazon has a B-17 for $93.49
Biketiresdirect has them on "closeout" for $86.99
REI at $119.00

So these aren't the same Brooks B-17? Brooks website has the "Standard" B-17 at $145 and it looks the same as each photo of the above listed saddles.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
Because cheaper is always better, right? For me at least, the price of the saddle is of penultimate concern.
I don't believe anyone has in any way suggested a "cheap" saddle. We are talking about two highly regarded pieces of known quality components in the cycling industry.
So in response to your last sentence, Sure. Me too. Unless of course the two items are comparable in quality and function. Then price becomes, if not the primary concern, then at least one of the primary considerations.

But that's just me.
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if all that matters is low price, then standard lowest Brooks model is what you get..

But, they put better leather and more hand finishing in the other versions, wiggle.com | Brooks England - B17 Titanium Saddle | Leisure Saddles

then there is the Berthoud Company in France.. many like them better, and were willing to pay for it.
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I've had 2 SA's saddles. Both Xs. I weigh about 195. I put the first one on a mt bike and really liked it. I still have it and still like it. I put the 2nd on a road bike. With limited miles, but outside of their warranty, one of rails snapped. I have never had a saddle rail break in 20+ years of consistent riding. I asked SA to replace and they refused. What really pissed me off was their contention it was something I did. If that happened on mt bike, maybe. On a road bike, not a chance.

I replaced it with a Brooks Cambium, which has been great. While the SAs are comfortable, I'll never get another one.
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Does anyone have the specs on the SA? Length? Width? How long are the rails? Are the rails longer (or shorter) than a saddle from Specialized, Fizik, etc?

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Originally Posted by WNCGoater View Post
So:
Nashbar has a B-17 for $129.99
Performance about the same, $130.00
Amazon has a B-17 for $93.49
Biketiresdirect has them on "closeout" for $86.99
REI at $119.00

So these aren't the same Brooks B-17? Brooks website has the "Standard" B-17 at $145 and it looks the same as each photo of the above listed saddles.
It always pays to shop around for the B-17... and probably the other Brooks saddles.
I bought two about a decade ago and both were bought from the Harris Cyclery because, for some reason, they were way cheaper (even when shipped to Oz) than anywhere else. My other B-17 came with a custom built bike and I probably paid a lot more for it. I've noticed similar variations since where the humble B-17 can vary from expensive to extortionate. Cripes, even just wandering around town and looking at them in bike shops shows quite a variation.
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Copy & Paste from their website:

X-Series
Designed for cyclists who ride more than 100 miles per week or weigh between 120 and 200 pounds*
Weight Limit: 200 pounds

H-Series
Designed for cyclists who ride more than 100 miles per week or weigh between 180 and 250 pounds*
Weight Limit: 250 pounds


My concern is, whether they have discovered after some time that their popular X series of saddles will NOT hold up long term for a cyclist over 200 pounds, in spite of their previous claims, and in response to negative customer feed back they are now putting a weight limit and introducing a saddle with heavier and stiffer leather. After I bought mine I posted in the 50 plus subforum about how pleased I was with it and several people piped in that it had a history of stretching beyond further adjustment for larger riders or saddle rails breaking or bending.

Perhaps I'm reading more into this but I can't see that this bodes well for those of us who bought a saddle previous to this "new" change.
I think the line between "saddle is good" and "saddle is not good" is very blurry. I started riding the first model of SA around 2008 when I was at the then "margin" of 180#. I have kept on using that same saddle (and have bought a few more SA) ever since. It has not broken, though I am now just coming below 200#. It sagged a bit more, but the integrity of the leather is fine - no major wrinkles, no cracks, no rivets pulling out. It's still possible for me to overtension that saddle to where the sitbones hurt. I really don't think you have anything to worry about.

An SA is not a Brooks. The early SA were explicitly intended to be tensioned by the user - it's in the old instructions.

I could not tell you when they changed, but it was after the passing of Tom Milton, the founder.
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So:
Nashbar has a B-17 for $129.99
Performance about the same, $130.00
Amazon has a B-17 for $93.49
Biketiresdirect has them on "closeout" for $86.99
REI at $119.00

So these aren't the same Brooks B-17? Brooks website has the "Standard" B-17 at $145 and it looks the same as each photo of the above listed saddles.
Go on the Brooks site and see if you can identify the specs of the base model. Then go the those suppliers and see if they match.

I don't think anyone here can definitively tell you the base model has less-good leather than the Team models - when I studied them I could not conclude one was better. The base model was the standard for Brooks many years ago. Some people here were into measuring the leather, but I tried this and did not find any variation I thought was significant.

The only thing I've seen which looks significantly better is the "Select" series, but I think those were discontinued a few years ago.
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Buy it from BTD, and use the leftover money for something else. The base model is a heck of a bike seat!
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Buy it from BTD, and use the leftover money for something else. The base model is a heck of a bike seat!
I could mount that B-17 on my touring bike and have enough moolah left over for a nice rack, ready to add some panniers and hit the road.
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Anybody running out of adjustment on their Titanico X doesn't know how to ride light, and should stick to a leather brick like a Brooks. Mine has 9,300 miles on it, and I've used 5 threads on the tension bolt.

I'm out of the saddle for rr crossings, etc every time, but I ride gravel. If the saddle isn't up to that task, it probably should state, for smooth roads only. The original T series was up to 150 lbs, X above that. I weigh 150, but bought the X. I've gotten a few seasons out of it, only riding in fair weather, however, it has burned up at least half the threads in 1300 miles. So, while very comfortable right out of the box, I did not repeat the purchase for other bikes. I went b-17, c-17 carved, and Specialized Oura for the other 7 bikes.
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I'm out of the saddle for rr crossings, etc every time, but I ride gravel. If the saddle isn't up to that task, it probably should state, for smooth roads only. The original T series was up to 150 lbs, X above that. I weigh 150, but bought the X. I've gotten a few seasons out of it, only riding in fair weather, however, it has burned up at least half the threads in 1300 miles. So, while very comfortable right out of the box, I did not repeat the purchase for other bikes. I went b-17, c-17 carved, and Specialized Oura for the other 7 bikes.

And this seems to be the trend with the Selle Anatomica. I read threads where one gets years of service with little-no problems and others get "used up" in short order. Throw in a clydesdale or borderline clydesdale and the problems magnify... or maybe not. There will always be those who blame any and everything on user error and others who abuse gear then blame failure onthe gear.

But for whatever reason, it seems there is a wide variance in satisfaction rating surrounding the Selle Anatomica and I'm not necessarily convinced it is all about the user. I see SOME dissatisfaction with the Brooks but it is usually a matter of simply didn't like it for one reason or the other, rarely a result of some level of product failure.

Only one way for any individual (me) to answer that is to get a Brooks and compare the two under your (my) own butt.
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Does anyone have the specs on the SA? Length? Width? How long are the rails? Are the rails longer (or shorter) than a saddle from Specialized, Fizik, etc?

-Kedosto

SA claims the width for seat bones as 130. Rail-to-Rail width is around 170, and length 290. It fits a lot like a b-17, though feels longer to me?

One of the things supposedly addressed by SA over brooks , is the rail length. The SA's are supposed to have a traditional longer rail, like you would find on a Specialized, so not requiring a setback seat post to dial-in fit issues like a brooks might require. I've not required a setback post for the SA saddle...I do use one on the bikes that have b-17's mounted, though do not for the c17s. I do think it is interesting that SA's website also carries Thomson seat posts...both models offered are setback, for whatever that's worth.
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