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Old 03-10-18, 08:16 PM
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How do these old panniers attach?

How do these old pannier bags attach to the rack? Assuming they're upside down in the picture, I see the hooks to go over the upper bar, but then how are they fixed on the lower end?

What is that vertical piece that has a ring (looks like somethign you'd pull from a hand grenade)?

And would these mount on typical modern pannier racks?


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Old 03-10-18, 08:19 PM
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You would bolt small hooks to the rear dropout eyelets, or just use longer bolts and hook the spring ends over them.



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Thanks. So then I guess the horizontal piece with the three screws in it is to allow you to move the vertical piece+ring to an alternate location to better match wherever the rear eyelet hook is.
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Originally Posted by rseeker View Post
Thanks. So then I guess the horizontal piece with the three screws in it is to allow you to move the vertical piece+ring to an alternate location to better match wherever the rear eyelet hook is.
I think you nailed it.
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Correct. Sometimes you can move the upper hooks to improve the hang or how the hooks fit relative to the rack's crossbars. I did this to a set of panniers I used on my last tour; relocated hooks to achieve maximum spacing for improved stability.
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Some rear racks have a built it attachment point, usually made by bending one of the downtubes on each side where they attach just above the bottom bracket attachment point so a pipe of tube point either backward or forward. Its obvious what I'm talking about if you look at your rack - if its not there, use the hooks or long bolts methods shown above.
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Originally Posted by skidder View Post
Some rear racks have a built it attachment point, usually made by bending one of the downtubes on each side where they attach just above the bottom bracket attachment point so a pipe of tube point either backward or forward. Its obvious what I'm talking about if you look at your rack - if its not there, use the hooks or long bolts methods shown above.
I've seen that, but never knew. Nice when the world makes a little bit *more* sense.
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Those look like old Cannondale panniers. I have some. They've lasted well, and the mounting system has worked well for me. Yes, you have figured out how to mount them correctly.
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You could also add S hooks to the spring ring and hook anywhere convenient near the dropout.
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Rough roads can result in them bouncing off, because the spring is what holds them down..

Workarounds are pretty simple to resolve that.. cordage and a knot..
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Originally Posted by rseeker View Post
How do these old pannier bags attach to the rack? Assuming they're upside down in the picture, I see the hooks to go over the upper bar, but then how are they fixed on the lower end?

What is that vertical piece that has a ring (looks like somethign you'd pull from a hand grenade)?

And would these mount on typical modern pannier racks?


Ditto on the S hook addition to the ring. We used a set of vintage cannondale panniers last year for some tours. The hooks go over the top bar, the o ring (we attached s hooks) then hook to some small hooks on the bike's dropouts. We found that one bag stayed on solid, the other had a tendency to pop off over pretty much any bump. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Craptacular8 View Post
Ditto on the S hook addition to the ring. We used a set of vintage cannondale panniers last year for some tours. The hooks go over the top bar, the o ring (we attached s hooks) then hook to some small hooks on the bike's dropouts. We found that one bag stayed on solid, the other had a tendency to pop off over pretty much any bump. Good luck.
I've used exactly this kind of pannier for a number of tours with similar results. Chasing panniers into bar pits gets old.

On the bright side, replacing the hanger with something better is relatively simple. It wouldn't be hard to replace it with an Ortlieb QL1 system for not a lot of money. The rails, hooks and lower mounts would cost less than $25 and they are much less likely to launch off the bike on every bump.
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my super secure fitting scheme used straps and buckles.. R Beckman..

It has a PITA removal , security , so in camp I leave them on, draped the rain covers over them.. plastic bag on the saddle..


Ortlieb are the opposite, they have an extra locking accessory cable/padlock, because they are easy to remove..

they're useful around town as I take them off, in with me, when the bike gets locked on the city's bike racks..

1st generation top rail molded in a buckle, a strap & hook, down to the dropout end of the rack, kept the grab & run removal more difficult..






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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
I've used exactly this kind of pannier for a number of tours with similar results. Chasing panniers into bar pits gets old.

On the bright side, replacing the hanger with something better is relatively simple. It wouldn't be hard to replace it with an Ortlieb QL1 system for not a lot of money. The rails, hooks and lower mounts would cost less than $25 and they are much less likely to launch off the bike on every bump.
Good to know. They are pretty panniers, we were careful with them, as the internal frame was threatening to wear through on the corners. So, with a thought to the tours we were planning this year, bought Orlieb's to replace them, mostly so we wouldn't have to worry about re-setting, and re-setting a pannier that didn't want to stay down. My cheapy-ish Seattle Sports Co ones have a simlar hooking system to the Orliebs, and were easy to hook and stay in place.
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I've used very modest/smallish Delta panniers for commuting for more than a few years. Secured at the bottom with hooks attached to bungee cord. Up above , the hooks have stayed in place on the top of the rack for the last couple of years with small lengths of Nite Eze wrapped around the hook and rack top. I buy longer ones and cut them in half. https://www.google.com/shopping/prod...hoCchcQAvD_BwE

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