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Old 04-14-18, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 50PlusCycling View Post
There are those who say that the nickel in stainless steel can cause cancer. That sounds nutty, and it probably is, but more than one doctor has recommended not to cook in stainless steel pots or pans, or use stainless utensils.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about plastic bottles. More than likely the water you drink has passed through a few plastic pipes on it's way to your faucet, so avoiding plastic bottles seems rather superfluous. If you want the cleanest and safest, use glass. But, once again, the bottle may be cleaner than the water you are putting into it.
This is why the only truly safe way to cook, carry and store your food is to keep it held in your hands at all times. To cook food, place it in your hand and place your hand directly into an open fire. When the food is finished cooking, remove the hand holding your food from the fire and eat the food. Obviously since your hand is part of you there is no way it could ever contaminate your food. Everything else is literally going to kill you dead.
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Old 04-14-18, 07:32 PM
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I don't know for sure and I had the option to remove all doubt by using a good ss bottle. Doubt gone, problem solved. Except you cannot squirt at pursuing dogs
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
Let's break down all these things that could "leak" into your water:
- Plastic water bottle - water contaminated with plastic
- Metal water bottle - water contaminated with metal
- Copper water pipes to you house - water contaminated with copper
- Plastic water pipes to your house - water contaminated with plastic
- Buy water in plastic bottles - water contaminated with plastic
- Water treatment plant - who knows exactly what they put in the water or fail to treat in the water
- Water that's not rainwater in general - could be contaminated with any number of things

Thing is the water you're drinking sits in some sort of container (pipes, water tower, etc) before it comes out of your tap. I don't personally think that changing from a plastic water bottle to a metal water bottle is going to make much of a difference, and every single way we have to hold water in a container has someone saying it's bad for you.

Except glass maybe? Lol, it would be pretty funny to see someone trying to use a glass water bottle on their bike.
+1000000

You also forgot to mention water pipes placed over 100 years ago were lead based and they are releasing toxins today! I can see the lead based pipe from the city going into my basement! I double filter my drinking water with Pure and Zero filtration pitcher. However, the pitcher is made of plastic!! LOL! I can't win!

I also forgot to mention all the fluoride in our drinking water we ingest is incredible. Do some research on the dangers of fluoride water. Did I also mention about how our bottle water is acidic and not good! This is also true of tap water.
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Don't forget acid rain.
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
+1000000

You also forgot to mention water pipes placed over 100 years ago were lead based and they are releasing toxins today! I can see the lead based pipe from the city going into my basement! I double filter my drinking water with Pure and Zero filtration pitcher. However, the pitcher is made of plastic!! LOL! I can't win!

I also forgot to mention all the fluoride in our drinking water we ingest is incredible. Do some research on the dangers of fluoride water.
I already have. And the alternative.
Did I also mention about how our bottle water is acidic and not good! This is also true of tap water.
You have filters. In addition, you can always buy stainless steel or even glass storage containers. One more things, despite complains about our water quality today, its still a lot better than the urine and fecal contaminated ground swell our forefathers and ancestors used to drink.
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
Did I also mention about how our bottle water is acidic and not good! This is also true of tap water.
I'm not sure if you are making this statement tongue-in-cheek but municipal water isn't acidic...or, at least it shouldn't be. Flint, Michigan is an example of what happens if the water is allowed to be too acidic (<6.5) and that acidity was due to the city not using the proper buffers to reduce the acidity of the water source.

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I already have. And the alternative. You have filters. In addition, you can always buy stainless steel or even glass storage containers. One more things, despite complains about our water quality today, its still a lot better than the urine and fecal contaminated ground swell our forefathers and ancestors used to drink.
Filters do little to nothing to adjust pH nor, if we want to don our tin foil hats, to remove fluoride ions.

On a side note, why do we call them "tin foil hats"? "Tin foil" hasn't existed as a consumer item for much more than 50 years and probably closer to 75. Is it because aluminum is too hard to spell or that aluminium sounds too British? An "aluminium foil hat" actually sounds classy. It sounds like something you'd wear to Ascot.
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
You're missing the point - your water is sitting in something before it comes out of your tap. Used to be water pipes were copper, nowadays a lot of them in new construction are plastic.
It should be concrete or metal until it gets to your house, then it's up to you. You can get copper pipes if you don't have them, and I already said you should get reverse osmosis regardless.

So there is no reason you have to suffer poison water in case your water has issues like flint or 100 other places less well known, or suffer the effects of plastics.

Another issue is plastic is creeping into the water supply itself, another reason to get RO for your drinking water.
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Perspective is everything

Look at your pantry and fridge. Almost everything comes in plastic. Even milk cartons and food cans have a plastic layer on the inside. Plastic is replacing copper for water lines. Filtered drinking water is sold in plastic jugs. Do you use plastic wrap or plastic food storage containers?

Once you put it in perspective, the minute amounts of chemicals that might leech from your water bottle into your sports drink (which probably came in a plastic container) in a few hours of riding is likely the least of your concerns.

Several years ago there was a huge scare over hydrocarbons left behind during the processing of non-organic cooking oils. The way it was publicized you would think that emergency rooms should have been filled with victims violently vomiting and having seizures. Then the whole story came out that your body absorbs more hydrocarbons from inhaling exhaust fumes on one 20-minute commute in city traffic, than you would in a lifetime of using brand-name cooking oils.

BTW, stainless steel can contain small amounts of nickel, a common metal allergen, and lower quality products may even have trace amounts of lead, mercury or cadmium. The Consumer Products Safety Commission has ordered recalls of some stainless steel water bottles, sold through Pottery Barn and L.L.Bean, due to lead levels. Nothing is perfectly safe.
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Originally Posted by Myosmith View Post
Perspective is everything

Look at your pantry and fridge. Almost everything comes in plastic. Even milk cartons and food cans have a plastic layer on the inside. Plastic is replacing copper for water lines. Filtered drinking water is sold in plastic jugs. Do you use plastic wrap or plastic food storage containers?

Once you put it in perspective, the minute amounts of chemicals that might leech from your water bottle into your sports drink (which probably came in a plastic container) in a few hours of riding is likely the least of your concerns.

Several years ago there was a huge scare over hydrocarbons left behind during the processing of non-organic cooking oils. The way it was publicized you would think that emergency rooms should have been filled with victims violently vomiting and having seizures. Then the whole story came out that your body absorbs more hydrocarbons from inhaling exhaust fumes on one 20-minute commute in city traffic, than you would in a lifetime of using brand-name cooking oils.

BTW, stainless steel can contain small amounts of nickel, a common metal allergen, and lower quality products may even have trace amounts of lead, mercury or cadmium. The Consumer Products Safety Commission has ordered recalls of some stainless steel water bottles, sold through Pottery Barn and L.L.Bean, due to lead levels. Nothing is perfectly safe.
None of which should dismiss any care or concerns we take with product safety. Consumers have to be constantly vigilant lest the big business manufacturers ignore consumer safety and cut corners in their constant pursuit of profits. ^^
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It should be concrete or metal until it gets to your house, then it's up to you. You can get copper pipes if you don't have them, and I already said you should get reverse osmosis regardless.

So there is no reason you have to suffer poison water in case your water has issues like flint or 100 other places less well known, or suffer the effects of plastics.

Another issue is plastic is creeping into the water supply itself, another reason to get RO for your drinking water.

Almost all new municipal water distribution piping is plastic until you get above 16" diameter or so.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
I'm not sure if you are making this statement tongue-in-cheek but municipal water isn't acidic...or, at least it shouldn't be.
You're correct about tap water. However, bottle water varies widely with the most expensive brands being Ph balanced.
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Nobody I know uses metal bottles, though back in the day I did in races. But that was back in the year 1965 BP. Before Plastic. We didn't have Gatorade yet, I used tea and honey mixed when I was tired of water. I've seen dropped plastic bottles, and never had a problem with them, but I'd hate to hit a dropped steel bottle. As I recall we found some pretty interesting stuff in the bottom of our metal bottles too. Like several said before, the liquid doesnt stay in the bottle long enough to worry about. At least I choose not to worry about it. Notice my shiny metal bottle, about 1965. I did have a plastic straw!

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Almost all new municipal water distribution piping is plastic until you get above 16" diameter or so.
Depends on the community. I installed 20 miles of ductile iron last year. 20 scheduled for this year. Last I checked U.S. Pipe, McWane, & ACIPCO aren't going out of business just yet.
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DI, Concrete lined steel and welded steel pipe aren't going to disappear. There's always a place for it, but PE and PVC are replacing it in a lot of applications and PEX rather than copper is becoming the norm for residential piping.
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"I have one word for you Ben...plastic."
doot da do do doot doot doot doot doot doot doot do doot do....
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Go Klean Kanteen, they're stainless steel https://www.kleankanteen.com/collections/all

https://www.kleankanteen.com/collect...ant=1604598851

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Originally Posted by jambon View Post
Hi ,

I am on the verge of dropping some cash on stainless steel water bottles as I have read some pretty startling things about Plastic bottles .

Even Bpa free / phtalantes free bottles still seep harmful chemicals apparently .

As with everything on the internet it is hard to get objective facts .

Would drinking out of a plastic bottle long term be dangerous to health ? Do I have to throw out my hydration bladder too ?

Here is one article saying its all baloney . I'm confused it's hard to figure out.



https://chronicleflask.com/2018/02/1...is-bpa-really/

And another arguing the opposite ;

https://www.prevention.com/health/he...-not-be-so-bad

https://science.howstuffworks.com/en...cience/bpa.htm
Going to stainless is a good move.
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This is why I choose the Apache way: keep a mouthful of water for the first 10 miles, without swallowing, then spit it out.
LMAO !!! I'ma try this tomorrow !!
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post

What is that cap made out of? What is that mouthpiece you're putting in your mouth and chewing on to open made out of?

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The problem is they can stick whatever they want into plastic so long as it's not proven unsafe. So one thing gets banned and they just move on to the next almost identical compound. What a joke.
Right - so we've finally declared BPA to be bad. What about the rest of the Bisphenol compounds that may or may not be currently used in your plastic? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol We just don't have the studies.
There was a detailed article about the problems caused by DuPont when they started dumping Perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA, C8) used for making Teflon(tm) into the water supply of Parkersburg, West VA. DuPont settled a lawsuit and promised to stop using PFOA. Instead, a plant was built in North Carolina which is using an alternative to PFOA called GenX - and several contaminations of the water supply have taken place already. The chemical formula for PFOA is C8HF15O2 and for GenX it's C6HF11O3. I'm not a chemist but it's pretty darn close - then again, a single ion addition can totally change something from being toxic to being non-toxic.

Point is, we just don't have enough information about the plasticizers used currently. With all that said, however, even though we have some of the best/cleanest tap water in the country in MA, we still filter it out of habit plus never know what kind of pesticides/insecticides/medicinals/local pipe residues are in it. I use a plastic Camelback Podium bottle for biking and when they get old and scuffed I just replace them - I don't feel like it's much of a threat, keeping water in one for a couple of hours.
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Great link !! Thanks for sharing your opinion with us. Staying hydrated is vital in the heat wave but donít reuse your plastic bottle for long term, it is very dangerous for our health.
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I switched to glass and stainless steel bottles just because theyíre easier to keep clean. It seems like plastic bottles get moldy so fast even with regular use. They also donít take on weird smells although sometimes the rubber seals on metal bottles do. Iím sure thereís some lurking germs in my glass or metal bottle but out of site out of mind and I still give them a good cleaning on a regular basis.
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At the end of the day, EVERYTHING is bad for you, coffee, cell phones, soft drinks and fast food, so don't let this little issue keep you from enjoying your ride.
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As long as you empty your plastic bottle, and fill it just before your ride, I don't think there's anything to worry about. The chemicals leach into the fluid in the bottle over a period of time...days and weeks. Over the course of a ride of just a few hours, I don't think there is much leaching.

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Cancer rates are going up. Don't know if it is the bottles, but can't rule it out.
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Do you know how many toxins and carcinogens are dissolved in water?

Never touch the stuff, just drink pure grain alcohol.
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