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Old 04-12-18, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jambon
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I am on the verge of dropping some cash on stainless steel water bottles as I have read some pretty startling things about Plastic bottles .

Even Bpa free / phtalantes free bottles still seep harmful chemicals apparently .

As with everything on the internet it is hard to get objective facts .

Would drinking out of a plastic bottle long term be dangerous to health ? Do I have to throw out my hydration bladder too ?

Here is one article saying its all baloney . I'm confused it's hard to figure out.



https://chronicleflask.com/2018/02/1...is-bpa-really/

And another arguing the opposite ;

https://www.prevention.com/health/he...-not-be-so-bad

https://science.howstuffworks.com/en...cience/bpa.htm
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https://myplasticfreelife.com/2011/04/bpa-free-does-not-mean-safe-most-plastics-leach-hormone-disrupting-chemicals/

This is interesting too
Consider the sources. Your first link is written by someone with a PhD in chemistry. Those aren't handed out in Cracker Jack boxes. Her post is lengthy, detailed and appears to be well researched.

Your second link is short, punchy, doesn't appear to be that well researched, although it does present information from "both sides" but draws a conclusion that isn't justified by the information given. It's just too much of a "fluff" piece to get much from it.

Your 3rd link seems to have a similar amount of research as the first and seems to draw a similar conclusion which can be summed up à la Douglas Adams: "Don't Panic".

Your last link is just the opposite of that and is written by someone who "saw [a] photo that changed my life." She is the very symbol of someone who is PANICKING!. She is Arthur Dent on steroids. That photo isn't of a bird that died because it ate a lot of plastic. The plastic looks like it was deposited in a bird skeleton by wave action. Yea, that's bad but it's not the cause of the poor birds demise.

Consider the first 3 articles and keep your bottles and Camelbak. From what the articles are saying, there's more BPA in cash resister receipts than in those bottles. And you can't squeeze a metal bottle.
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Originally Posted by winston63
Boy that brings back some memories. I don't think I ever partook of the salt tablets, but I remember them. And I remember being told to not swallow much water when you were exercising - just swirl some around your mouth and swallow a little bit! In hindsight it's clear that some of the things we believed were pretty ridiculous (and potentially dangerous).
I wasn't a boy scout but I had friends that were. The Scout leader made them carry full canteens on hikes but they could only take a sip of water before they left. Why carry canteens to begin with? And the leader gave them chewing tobacco so that they would have "moisture" in their mouths. I wonder how many of those 10 to 14 year olds developed a tobacco habit and died earlier than they should have?
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I've been drinking from a vareity of plastic cycling bottles for over 50 yrs, yep, half a decade . Just dump the water, rinse after each ride, and I ain't got any problems . I'm 71 now, and still ride, 2K - 2.5k a year.KB
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This is why I choose the Apache way: keep a mouthful of water for the first 10 miles, without swallowing, then spit it out.
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Oceans are holding a lot of toxic plastics, north pacific garbage gyre


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Wait until you read one those articles about those hand dryers found in bathrooms and what they do with fecal matter.


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Originally Posted by _ForceD_
As long as you empty your plastic bottle, and fill it just before your ride, I don't think there's anything to worry about. The chemicals leach into the fluid in the bottle over a period of time...days and weeks. Over the course of a ride of just a few hours, I don't think there is much leaching.

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Same thing with Styrofoam. It too is carcinogenic, but its just meant for transport or immediate use. Its not something to store your food in, and certainly not for extend storage.
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
I bet many of the people saying using plastic water bottles are bad for you are likely the same ones who are now drinking untreated stream or lake water and saying it's not bad for you.
I doubt many people really do that, it has to be very expensive. Getting a reverse osmosis filter for your kitchen costs only a few hundred bucks and could save you a lot of health issues if your water ever gets "Flinted".
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Originally Posted by Oneder
I doubt many people really do that, it has to be very expensive. Getting a reverse osmosis filter for your kitchen costs only a few hundred bucks and could save you a lot of health issues if your water ever gets "Flinted".
No, I mean there are people actually selling unfiltered water claiming that it's good for you.
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Originally Posted by kcblair
I've been drinking from a vareity of plastic cycling bottles for over 50 yrs, yep, half a decade . Just dump the water, rinse after each ride, and I ain't got any problems . I'm 71 now, and still ride, 2K - 2.5k a year.KB
+1 and I'm knocking on the door to 75. Rinse bottle and lid/spout whatever after every ride. Shake out water, invert on a paper towel and loosely screw on cap to let it dry asap.
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
No, I mean there are people actually selling unfiltered water claiming that it's good for you.
Just like folks pedaling raw milk.
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Originally Posted by Oneder
And you don't have water in containers for god's sake, except if you live in some huge big city apartment building and even then it should be metal and therefore of no concern.
You're missing the point - your water is sitting in something before it comes out of your tap. Used to be water pipes were copper, nowadays a lot of them in new construction are plastic.
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Originally Posted by jambon
Hi ,

I am on the verge of dropping some cash on stainless steel water bottles as I have read some pretty startling things about Plastic bottles .

Even Bpa free / phtalantes free bottles still seep harmful chemicals apparently .

As with everything on the internet it is hard to get objective facts .

Would drinking out of a plastic bottle long term be dangerous to health ? Do I have to throw out my hydration bladder too ?

Here is one article saying its all baloney . I'm confused it's hard to figure out.



https://chronicleflask.com/2018/02/1...is-bpa-really/

And another arguing the opposite ;

https://www.prevention.com/health/he...-not-be-so-bad

https://science.howstuffworks.com/en...cience/bpa.htm
There are those who say that the nickel in stainless steel can cause cancer. That sounds nutty, and it probably is, but more than one doctor has recommended not to cook in stainless steel pots or pans, or use stainless utensils.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about plastic bottles. More than likely the water you drink has passed through a few plastic pipes on it's way to your faucet, so avoiding plastic bottles seems rather superfluous. If you want the cleanest and safest, use glass. But, once again, the bottle may be cleaner than the water you are putting into it.
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Let's face it. Everything causes cancer. Especially in California.
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Originally Posted by 50PlusCycling
There are those who say that the nickel in stainless steel can cause cancer. That sounds nutty, and it probably is, but more than one doctor has recommended not to cook in stainless steel pots or pans, or use stainless utensils.
Which underscores why the term "quack" was invented. Always get a second opinion.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about plastic bottles. More than likely the water you drink has passed through a few plastic pipes on it's way to your faucet, so avoiding plastic bottles seems rather superfluous. If you want the cleanest and safest, use glass. But, once again, the bottle may be cleaner than the water you are putting into it.
Plastic covers a lot of territory, and there's a big difference between disposable water bottles and PVC pipe that serve more as transfer devices than holding tanks.
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Let's face it. Everything causes cancer. Especially in California.
That's an extreme philosophy. On the other hand, just breathing in the state can sometime be hazardous to your health.
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Today, usually ketchup and mayo, maple syrup, honey, orange juice, seltzer and soda, etc is all stored, shipped, stocked in stores, and sold, in plastic bottles of some sort. Ice cream 'cartons' usually have a plastic lining. oh the madness
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Today, usually ketchup and mayo, maple syrup, honey, orange juice, seltzer and soda, etc is all stored, shipped, stocked in stores, and sold, in plastic bottles of some sort. Ice cream 'cartons' usually have a plastic lining. oh the madness
"Plastic" is a very broad class of chemical compounds and not all of them contain the same chemicals. In fact, few of them contain the same chemicals since the chemicals that promote the polymerization process is different in each case. BPA which has caused everyone to wig out about "plastics" comes from polycarbonates which are very different from polyethylenes which is very different from polypropylene which is very different from polyethylene terephthalate (not to be confused with polyethylene).

Each one of those items you listed is packed in a different type of plastic.
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https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...ater%20Bottles

Purist bottles......

The ones on the above link are flexible for squeezing and coated with something that prevents any odor or contamination. Been using them on my weekly 100+ mile rides for a few years. Jus don't wash them in hot water or the dishwasher. That ruins the coating. They are not new. They do what they claim. Sold in a few different places, this is just a link that popped
up when I did a search. I use four large and reload them once for a total of 7 or 8 big bottles when riding over a century. Mine are at least 5 years old.

I have maybe 20 stainless bike bottles that are vacuum insulated. Maybe 7 or 8 different styles of bottle. I use them every week in the winter when it goes below freezing. No need to squeeze metal bottles, they have a little one way flapper valve built into the top. You just suck on the bottle and the air is let in. Some of my stainless bottles are least 15 years old. A few different ones are from "Thermos".

No need for plastic taste in bottles, and there are plenty of stainless bottles that don't need squeezing. There are hard plastic ones too. They can't be squeezed and don't have a valve either. They just have a large diameter hole. It works. Made by Nalgene.
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You didn't read it right or you're not saying it right. So you might want to update your post. Nothing in that add said what you just said. ^^
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My go to for information on health effects of whatever is in the headlines today is Science Based Medicine. They come down firmly on the side of studies are all over the place, so nobody can say for sure. I feel I have bigger things to worry about, so I'll worry about those instead. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/bis...ould-we-worry/
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Originally Posted by KraneXL
You didn't read it right or you're not saying it right. So you might want to update your post. Nothing in that add said what you just said. ^^
That's just ad copy. I got my information and sample bottles from the manufacturer before they were sold by most places. I'm just repeated back what I read and was told a few years ago. Before the bottles were private labeled for sale from others.
If you do some searching you can find all kinds of comments from the retailers. Now they're sold all over the place.
No need to change anything in my post..
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
Let's face it. Everything causes cancer. Especially in California.
Everything causes cancer, but on the other hand, everything cures cancer. It all evens out if you consume enough.
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This is a little vague, but, scroll around, you might find something good.

Purist Technology - Specialized Water Bottles
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Originally Posted by 50PlusCycling
There are those who say that the nickel in stainless steel can cause cancer. That sounds nutty, and it probably is, but more than one doctor has recommended not to cook in stainless steel pots or pans, or use stainless utensils.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about plastic bottles. More than likely the water you drink has passed through a few plastic pipes on it's way to your faucet, so avoiding plastic bottles seems rather superfluous. If you want the cleanest and safest, use glass. But, once again, the bottle may be cleaner than the water you are putting into it.
This is why the only truly safe way to cook, carry and store your food is to keep it held in your hands at all times. To cook food, place it in your hand and place your hand directly into an open fire. When the food is finished cooking, remove the hand holding your food from the fire and eat the food. Obviously since your hand is part of you there is no way it could ever contaminate your food. Everything else is literally going to kill you dead.
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I don't know for sure and I had the option to remove all doubt by using a good ss bottle. Doubt gone, problem solved. Except you cannot squirt at pursuing dogs
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