Does this bike (of my dreams) exist? 700c monster cross w/ disc brakes?
05-19-18, 11:49 AM
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generally
I said generally speaking and I stand by that statement. For the most part steel is found at the low end. Instead of going off on other members because you fail to understand the English language, perhaps you should use your extensive know how of steel bikes to suggest what the op actually wants.
I said generally speaking and I stand by that statement. For the most part steel is found at the low end. Instead of going off on other members because you fail to understand the English language, perhaps you should use your extensive know how of steel bikes to suggest what the op actually wants.
you are commenting from a perspective of ALL bikes considered while vegan is commenting from a perspective of excluding $300 and cheaper bikes because they arent part of the discussion so considering them is pointless.
when you exclude the BSO big box bikes and consider bike shop quality bikes only, then your comment is inaccurate.
and since this thread is clearly about bike shop level bikes, those BSO big box bikes rightly should be ignored as even existing.
but yes, many low end biles are made with steel.
of course many low end bikes are made with aluminum, so should you toss out a 'generally' comment about that too?
of course you shouldnt.
05-19-18, 06:37 PM
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There's a huge variety of steel bikes on the upper end of the spectrum, because steel lends itself well to traditional bespoke frame building.
Speaking of which, if you stretch your budget a little bit, I'm sure you can find a reputable frame builder to meet your precise specifications, and out of the best steel tubing modern engineering can provide. There are hundreds of steel frame builders out there who can build to spec.
Speaking of which, if you stretch your budget a little bit, I'm sure you can find a reputable frame builder to meet your precise specifications, and out of the best steel tubing modern engineering can provide. There are hundreds of steel frame builders out there who can build to spec.
05-19-18, 06:42 PM
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Wrong.
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...0/820/p/17027/
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...omens/p/17230/
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...igh-3/p/16985/
I haven't seen a modern bike from specialized using steel.
Giants site makes it too difficult to find steel bikes but I'd venture to guess the trend stays true and they exist only on giants lower end stuff.
My point remains accurate and true. Steel is generally found on the lower end. The overwhelming majority of bike shop quality bikes are aluminum/carbon fiber. This makes the OPs request challenging. Steel represents the minority of bikes manufactured nowadays and him wanting his dream XC bike made of steel makes finding such a bike more challenging.
It seems like people perceived my comment as anti steel. It wasn't. Two of my five bikes are steel. I like knowing that they will likely outlast me. It doesn't change the reality of the modern bicycle industry.
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...0/820/p/17027/
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...omens/p/17230/
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...igh-3/p/16985/
I haven't seen a modern bike from specialized using steel.
Giants site makes it too difficult to find steel bikes but I'd venture to guess the trend stays true and they exist only on giants lower end stuff.
My point remains accurate and true. Steel is generally found on the lower end. The overwhelming majority of bike shop quality bikes are aluminum/carbon fiber. This makes the OPs request challenging. Steel represents the minority of bikes manufactured nowadays and him wanting his dream XC bike made of steel makes finding such a bike more challenging.
It seems like people perceived my comment as anti steel. It wasn't. Two of my five bikes are steel. I like knowing that they will likely outlast me. It doesn't change the reality of the modern bicycle industry.
2- you linked a bike thats a $80 over my arbitrarily stated cost. Strong work finding an exception. Golf clap for you.
3- the trek commuter is an $1100 bile with alfine igh. Its a well put together bike and hardly even comes close to supporting your comment.
4- i figured i might regret saying 'bike shop quality' or '$300' as a good general figure. I did t type 'generally' like you did and here i am having to explain further.
the simple reality is that bike shop quality steel enthusiast bikes, as a whole, are not low end.
salsa, soma, all city, surly, black mountain, fairdale, kona, jamis, specialized, trek, and more all have quality steel frames in their lineup of serious enthusiast bikes(as opposed to kids bikes and around the block cruisers that could be purchased at a bike shop since its a bike).
rock on woth your steel frame bikes. Whether you like em or not, look at more steel options and see what great quality there is for enthusiasts to ride.
05-19-18, 08:06 PM
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Ever consider getting a Breezer steel frame for only $500? Think it checks all your wants:
Breezer Radar Frame
Breezer Radar Frame
05-19-18, 08:35 PM
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05-19-18, 11:42 PM
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Ever consider getting a Breezer steel frame for only $500? Think it checks all your wants:
Breezer Radar Frame
Breezer Radar Frame
Lots of bikes meet everything but that requirement
05-20-18, 04:18 AM
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Well, I'm actually just looking for a frameset.
Anything I've missed?
EDIT: oh, forgot adding one of the most important points: short reach. I have short torso and I prefer an upright position.
- Steel frame and fork.
- Minimum 700x45mm tire clearance with fenders.
- Sub 405 mm reach (I have a short torso, giant legs).
- Front rack eyelets.
- Disc brake ready.
- Near horizontal top tube (not the sloping kind).
- Big frame size available (~60 cm C-C seat tube). ~85 cm standover or above.
- Sub $1000.
- Quick release, not thru-axle (not a deal breaker).
Anything I've missed?
EDIT: oh, forgot adding one of the most important points: short reach. I have short torso and I prefer an upright position.
Reach is 395mm. Stack is around 600mm. Seat tube centre-to-top is 620mm.
Further frame geo details:-
https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/sing...eregrine-2009/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/singul...7627438721612/ (<2009, there in the grey'd-out pic at the top).
This guy in Finland who still posts on Pedalroom sold his XL Peregrine three years ago:-
https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/singular-peregrine-13677
Maybe he could pass your info on to the buyer on the off-chance it could be available for purchase.
https://happyride.se/forum/read.php/1/1735509/1735784
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/singularperegrine/
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05-21-18, 08:45 AM
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If you could sacrifice your desire to have a steel frame or disk brakes you'd have many options.
The problem being, steel bikes are rare nowadays.
You are asking for something so niche. Cyclocross bikes are already niche, then you add a bunch of other niche desires. Cyclocross is a weird middle ground between street and mountain bike.
The problem being, steel bikes are rare nowadays.
You are asking for something so niche. Cyclocross bikes are already niche, then you add a bunch of other niche desires. Cyclocross is a weird middle ground between street and mountain bike.
05-21-18, 11:59 AM
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I believe Black Mountain is a small builder, in Marin county California...
did you ask them about a Custom disc version ?
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did you ask them about a Custom disc version ?
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05-21-18, 06:11 PM
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05-22-18, 07:52 PM
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Check Cotic an English company
the Product of COTIC cycles : the updated Escapade, your drop bar "Life Bike"...
the Product of COTIC cycles : the updated Escapade, your drop bar "Life Bike"...
05-28-18, 12:25 AM
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Super slopy, long reach, but cool. 
But not available as frameset. :-/
It's a dream for sure. I even talked to Singular about it. Seems there are not a single (not pun intended) frameset left for sale... 
Hey, thanks! I've been looking for a pic the 60 cm version, looks surprisingly good! I can't make sense of those geo charts though. Been comparing it to my 56 cm Sutra LTD. Top tube effective is 625 mm and the Sutra LTD (perhaps it's not even effective?) is 40 mm shorter, yet the reach is only 389.44 mm for the Radar compared to the 392 mm of my 56 cm Sutra LTD. How do I makes sense of this? Seat tube and heat tube angles are roughly the same. The Radar seat tube is 4 cm longer (C-T) and the head tube is 22 mm longer, yet standover is only 842 mm on the Radar (and 840 on the 56 cm Sutra LTD). Can the Radar measured with much smaller tires perhaps? Seems like a big difference anyways. What is your experience?
54 cm seat post for size L. That's two centimeters shorter than my Sutra LTD. :-/
Your mission is to find a Singular Peregrine frameset (2009-12 model) in XL size:-
Reach is 395mm. Stack is around 600mm. Seat tube centre-to-top is 620mm.
Further frame geo details:-
https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/sing...eregrine-2009/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/singul...7627438721612/ (<2009, there in the grey'd-out pic at the top).
This guy in Finland who still posts on Pedalroom sold his XL Peregrine three years ago:-
https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/singular-peregrine-13677
Maybe he could pass your info on to the buyer on the off-chance it could be available for purchase.
https://happyride.se/forum/read.php/1/1735509/1735784
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/singularperegrine/
Reach is 395mm. Stack is around 600mm. Seat tube centre-to-top is 620mm.
Further frame geo details:-
https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/sing...eregrine-2009/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/singul...7627438721612/ (<2009, there in the grey'd-out pic at the top).
This guy in Finland who still posts on Pedalroom sold his XL Peregrine three years ago:-
https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/singular-peregrine-13677
Maybe he could pass your info on to the buyer on the off-chance it could be available for purchase.
https://happyride.se/forum/read.php/1/1735509/1735784
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/singularperegrine/
Check Cotic an English company
the Product of COTIC cycles : the updated Escapade, your drop bar "Life Bike"...
the Product of COTIC cycles : the updated Escapade, your drop bar "Life Bike"...
05-28-18, 11:56 AM
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Hey, thanks! I've been looking for a pic the 60 cm version, looks surprisingly good! I can't make sense of those geo charts though. Been comparing it to my 56 cm Sutra LTD. Top tube effective is 625 mm and the Sutra LTD (perhaps it's not even effective?) is 40 mm shorter, yet the reach is only 389.44 mm for the Radar compared to the 392 mm of my 56 cm Sutra LTD. How do I makes sense of this? Seat tube and heat tube angles are roughly the same. The Radar seat tube is 4 cm longer (C-T) and the head tube is 22 mm longer, yet standover is only 842 mm on the Radar (and 840 on the 56 cm Sutra LTD). Can the Radar measured with much smaller tires perhaps? Seems like a big difference anyways. What is your experience?
05-28-18, 02:10 PM
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Not sure the charts are correct. There are diff charts on the Breezer site VS the Performance Bike site for the same bike. Breezer says 625, Performance says 600. I was unsure and thought I might feel stretched out but this seems to fit the same as my other bikes so I am inclined to go with the 600 measurement. I have a 60cm Rocky Mountain Metropolis Sea and they line up almost perfectly (meaning same size).
If you still have the saddle set at roughly the same height as in your picture, may I ask what the distance is, measured from BB center following the center of the seat tube and seat post to the upper surface of the saddle?
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05-28-18, 03:39 PM
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Hmmm...
I've been wanting to do some framebuilding. And, wanting a rough road touring bike.
I was looking about doing a 26" MTB conversion, but keeping getting stuck.
So, now the goal is to build a drop bar 29er touring bike from scratch capable of mounting 700 x 2 1/2" tires, with wide range gearing.=
I still have some choices to make... but hopefully I'll be putting it together this summer.
I've been wanting to do some framebuilding. And, wanting a rough road touring bike.
I was looking about doing a 26" MTB conversion, but keeping getting stuck.
So, now the goal is to build a drop bar 29er touring bike from scratch capable of mounting 700 x 2 1/2" tires, with wide range gearing.
=I still have some choices to make... but hopefully I'll be putting it together this summer.
05-28-18, 04:35 PM
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I just checked Performance Bike. They state the same 625 mm top tube effective as the Breezer website. Something seems clearly off with the stated 625 mm (or the reach) though.
If you still have the saddle set at roughly the same height as in your picture, may I ask what the distance is, measured from BB center following the center of the seat tube and seat post to the upper surface of the saddle?
If you still have the saddle set at roughly the same height as in your picture, may I ask what the distance is, measured from BB center following the center of the seat tube and seat post to the upper surface of the saddle?
05-28-18, 04:43 PM
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Hmmm...
I've been wanting to do some framebuilding. And, wanting a rough road touring bike.
I was looking about doing a 26" MTB conversion, but keeping getting stuck.
So, now the goal is to build a drop bar 29er touring bike from scratch capable of mounting 700 x 2 1/2" tires, with wide range gearing.=
I still have some choices to make... but hopefully I'll be putting it together this summer.
I've been wanting to do some framebuilding. And, wanting a rough road touring bike.
I was looking about doing a 26" MTB conversion, but keeping getting stuck.
So, now the goal is to build a drop bar 29er touring bike from scratch capable of mounting 700 x 2 1/2" tires, with wide range gearing.
=I still have some choices to make... but hopefully I'll be putting it together this summer.
05-28-18, 05:06 PM
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Well.. only if you consider my cargo bike (conversion) and cargo trailer as building frames.
But, hopefully that will change this year, and I'll get a couple of scratch built bikes built up. Then we'll see where the wind blows.
I was just thinking... perhaps part of my problem right now is that I want to go "full custom" for my first real build, when I should perhaps build two or three bikes somewhat concurrently, with one being a bit more stock.
But, hopefully that will change this year, and I'll get a couple of scratch built bikes built up. Then we'll see where the wind blows.
I was just thinking... perhaps part of my problem right now is that I want to go "full custom" for my first real build, when I should perhaps build two or three bikes somewhat concurrently, with one being a bit more stock.
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