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Old 05-20-18, 02:46 AM
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Looking for short, steep stem...

I am looking to replace my current 50mm, 7° stem (threadless 1.1/8, 31.8 clamp) with something even shorter and more steep. What are my options?
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You can get a 35mm long stem, but at that short of a length, the rise is pretty meaningless.

if you want to raise ypur bar more you will need to either add spacers or get a bar with more rise.
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If a 50mm x 7 degree stem isn't short or tall enough, you've almost certainly a frame fit issue. I don't think a stem can fix something that far off. Just a guess.

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If you really need a stem that short and steep you have a frame fit issue. But if you need to make it work use a steerer extender to get the height and a really short stem.

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Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
I am looking to replace my current 50mm, 7° stem (threadless 1.1/8, 31.8 clamp) with something even shorter and more steep. What are my options?
If you buy a steeper stem, it will effectively be shorter (less reach). There are steep stems out there. up to 35 degrees.




Use this to determine exactly what you want/need. Stem Comparison Tool yojimg.net

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One sitting atop the steerer itself?



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new bar + stem ? https://www.pinkbike.com/news/pacent...view-2015.html

or ..

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Originally Posted by Kedosto View Post
If a 50mm x 7 degree stem isn't short or tall enough, you've almost certainly a frame fit issue. I don't think a stem can fix something that far off. Just a guess.

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Originally Posted by RGMN View Post
If you really need a stem that short and steep you have a frame fit issue. But if you need to make it work use a steerer extender to get the height and a really short stem.
If this is a mountain bike, running a stem shorter than 50mm in not unheard of, and is becoming more common.
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Change the bar style? Are you running a straight bar or is there some offset?
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post

One sitting atop the steerer itself?



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thanks, bob. this one looks brilliant. who sells it, though?
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When I read the thread title, I knew the poster was going to get lectured rather than have his question answered. Ebay has search criteria that lets you really narrow down what you are looking for. Don't worry about the know-it-alls telling you something is wrong.
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65mm is the shortest high-angle stem I've seen.




Dimension Threadless Stem 125 Degree 25.4mm Clamp in Tree Fort Bikes Stems
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who sells 'zero reach stems'?, you have the www at your fingertips.. [bing reflexively lists sellers first]

I got 2, 5cm stems when I ordered my Bike Friday.. several years ago..

hard to have 'angle' when its so short higher just needs a stem raiser...
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Search Ergotec, they do all manner of trick stuff.





This one can go vertical..


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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
When I read the thread title, I knew the poster was going to get lectured rather than have his question answered. Ebay has search criteria that lets you really narrow down what you are looking for. Don't worry about the know-it-alls telling you something is wrong.
Because forget about bike fit and a good ride (unless it is of course a mountain bike with wide handlebars then short stems are de rigueur). If people want bad advice we should always give it to them and never use our expertise to steer them in the right direction!


If you are actually riding a more modern mountain bike with a long handlebar then there are some options including direct mount stems for certain suspension forks and various rise handlebars all available to purchase or order at your local shop as well as really short stems threadless stems. If you are converting a road or hybrid bike your issue is fit and before you go trying to find stuff that really need not exist go talk with your local fitter or a good sales person at one of your local shops who knows about bike fitting. You can ask questions and get answers but without seeing you on the bike and looking at your position and the fit of the bike, it is hard to really tell what you might need in terms of stem if that is the issue. It could be a whole host of issues from a poor fitting bike to poor saddle and seatpost position or something else entirely.

Fit is extremely important and sometimes just changing a stem will not really help the situation or won't actually fix the problem that you are having.
Here is a nice little blurb from Soulcraft, a pretty good expert in stems (since he started with Salsa cycles making their custom stems back in the day)
Soulcraft - Top Notch Bicycle Frames - Petaluma, CA - Mountain, Road, Cyclocross, Singlespeed, 29er
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
When I read the thread title, I knew the poster was going to get lectured rather than have his question answered. Ebay has search criteria that lets you really narrow down what you are looking for. Don't worry about the know-it-alls telling you something is wrong.
you are right. I've now purchased and installed a Kore Repute 35mm stem. The bike frame is a little big on me, but i was aware of aware of that on my own. No need for the forum sleuths to tell me that, really.
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I think you are preaching to one who knows exactly what the fitment issue is, and is actively looking to correct it. Ergo, this thread.


Originally Posted by veganbikes View Post
Because forget about bike fit and a good ride (unless it is of course a mountain bike with wide handlebars then short stems are de rigueur). If people want bad advice we should always give it to them and never use our expertise to steer them in the right direction!


If you are actually riding a more modern mountain bike with a long handlebar then there are some options including direct mount stems for certain suspension forks and various rise handlebars all available to purchase or order at your local shop as well as really short stems threadless stems. If you are converting a road or hybrid bike your issue is fit and before you go trying to find stuff that really need not exist go talk with your local fitter or a good sales person at one of your local shops who knows about bike fitting. You can ask questions and get answers but without seeing you on the bike and looking at your position and the fit of the bike, it is hard to really tell what you might need in terms of stem if that is the issue. It could be a whole host of issues from a poor fitting bike to poor saddle and seatpost position or something else entirely.

Fit is extremely important and sometimes just changing a stem will not really help the situation or won't actually fix the problem that you are having.
Here is a nice little blurb from Soulcraft, a pretty good expert in stems (since he started with Salsa cycles making their custom stems back in the day)
Soulcraft - Top Notch Bicycle Frames - Petaluma, CA - Mountain, Road, Cyclocross, Singlespeed, 29er
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Just add a steer tube extension and steer the tube with your hands.
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Because forget about bike fit and a good ride (unless it is of course a mountain bike with wide handlebars then short stems are de rigueur). If people want bad advice we should always give it to them and never use our expertise to steer them in the right direction!


If you are actually riding a more modern mountain bike with a long handlebar then there are some options including direct mount stems for certain suspension forks and various rise handlebars all available to purchase or order at your local shop as well as really short stems threadless stems. If you are converting a road or hybrid bike your issue is fit and before you go trying to find stuff that really need not exist go talk with your local fitter or a good sales person at one of your local shops who knows about bike fitting. You can ask questions and get answers but without seeing you on the bike and looking at your position and the fit of the bike, it is hard to really tell what you might need in terms of stem if that is the issue. It could be a whole host of issues from a poor fitting bike to poor saddle and seatpost position or something else entirely.

Fit is extremely important and sometimes just changing a stem will not really help the situation or won't actually fix the problem that you are having.
Here is a nice little blurb from Soulcraft, a pretty good expert in stems (since he started with Salsa cycles making their custom stems back in the day)
Soulcraft - Top Notch Bicycle Frames - Petaluma, CA - Mountain, Road, Cyclocross, Singlespeed, 29er
Like I said, I knew when I saw the thread title the know-it-alls would do everything but answer the question. Thank you for making my case. When someone asks a question, rather than assume I am dealing with an idiot, I try to provide the information they seek if I can. Further, it makes for awkward conversation when the default assumption is that the OP is in some way wrong. With this thread, I am reminded of when I went bike shopping for my wife. She loves cruiser ergos. I wanted her to have a lightweight, good quality bike. I thought I'd give my LBS's a shot. I knew what I wanted. I wanted a flat bar road bike. I wanted to add a stem raiser. I wanted to add I high rise stem. I wanted to add some bars with some rise and sweep. The knowledgeable experts at 3 different shops did their level best to do everything within their power to keep from selling me what I wanted. I gave up and ordered a bike and the parts I wanted online.

My experience has been that bike shops are not always good at fit and that they tend overemphasize it. Absent a horrible fit, casual riders can make due just fine with a fit that doesn't align with KOPS or any other fit model.

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Like I said, I knew when I saw the thread title the know-it-alls would do everything but answer the question. Thank you for making my case. When someone asks a question, rather than assume I am dealing with an idiot, I try to provide the information they seek if I can. Further, it makes for awkward conversation when the default assumption is that the OP is in some way wrong. With this thread, I am reminded of when I went bike shopping for my wife. She loves cruiser ergos. I wanted her to have a lightweight, good quality bike. I thought I'd give my LBS's a shot. I knew what I wanted. I wanted a flat bar road bike. I wanted to add a stem raiser. I wanted to add I high rise stem. I wanted to add some bars with some rise and sweep. The knowledgeable experts at 3 different shops did their level best to do everything within their power to keep from selling me what I wanted. I gave up and ordered a bike and the parts I wanted online.
Boy, mention the words “flat bar” and “road bike” in the same sentence on BF, and some people seriously blow a gasket.
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Fit is very important and trying to say it is not because you can kludge something together and it sort of works doesn't work. I don't like the idea of "making due" plenty of people do that and they run into pain later in life or just don't like cycling as much and don't ride as much as they may have wanted. As someone who got a professional fit done, I can say it really did help things out quite a bit. I am way more comfortable on my road bike than I was before and my fitter noticed things that I didn't see because I wasn't looking at myself and my position.

When I said "talk with your local fitter or a good sales person at one of your local shops who knows about bike fitting" I didn't mean talk to random people who may not know about fit because there are some people at some shops who aren't as knowledgeable about fitting. Find someone who does know and talk with them.

Sometimes you get a new bike and because you had issues with your old bike the new one could be better in some way. It doesn't mean it is the right fit but maybe better than before or because it is new your brain perceives it as better. In some cases that can actually be the case where the bike is better and it fits better. However a bike that didn't fit in the first place and had to have a steerer extender on it and then a adjustable stem all the way up is not better.

If I were looking for a more upright bike I would look for something with a longer headtube and maybe a shorter top tube and I would make sure the saddle height is correct but it seems like good fit is the least of your concerns. Short headtubes are great for a more aggressive position for racing and aerodynamics but provide a poor fit for those looking to be upright. We all see the pros and want to somewhat emulate them so we go for bikes that don't fit and aren't comfortable (because they were more designed for speed) and try and bodge it to work. I get it to an extent, I watch old Eddy Merckx videos and fantasize I am that fit and that good of a rider but I know when I get on my bike I would rather be comfortable so I opt for a bike that is a better fit for me rather than a purely racier position or materials.

People love to just provide a simple answer rather than solving a more complex problem. I don't do that because I don't like that idea. It doesn't always solve the problem and can delay it or just cover it up. I don't know it all hence why I wrote my initial answer. If I had seen him on his bike or on a fit bike then maybe I could have fixed a problem. Sometimes a simple answer may exist but in the case of fitting someone on the internet, it usually doesn't.
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Fit is very important and trying to say it is not because you can kludge something together and it sort of works doesn't work. I don't like the idea of "making due" plenty of people do that and they run into pain later in life or just don't like cycling as much and don't ride as much as they may have wanted. As someone who got a professional fit done, I can say it really did help things out quite a bit. I am way more comfortable on my road bike than I was before and my fitter noticed things that I didn't see because I wasn't looking at myself and my position.

When I said "talk with your local fitter or a good sales person at one of your local shops who knows about bike fitting" I didn't mean talk to random people who may not know about fit because there are some people at some shops who aren't as knowledgeable about fitting. Find someone who does know and talk with them.

Sometimes you get a new bike and because you had issues with your old bike the new one could be better in some way. It doesn't mean it is the right fit but maybe better than before or because it is new your brain perceives it as better. In some cases that can actually be the case where the bike is better and it fits better. However a bike that didn't fit in the first place and had to have a steerer extender on it and then a adjustable stem all the way up is not better.

If I were looking for a more upright bike I would look for something with a longer headtube and maybe a shorter top tube and I would make sure the saddle height is correct but it seems like good fit is the least of your concerns. Short headtubes are great for a more aggressive position for racing and aerodynamics but provide a poor fit for those looking to be upright. We all see the pros and want to somewhat emulate them so we go for bikes that don't fit and aren't comfortable (because they were more designed for speed) and try and bodge it to work. I get it to an extent, I watch old Eddy Merckx videos and fantasize I am that fit and that good of a rider but I know when I get on my bike I would rather be comfortable so I opt for a bike that is a better fit for me rather than a purely racier position or materials.

People love to just provide a simple answer rather than solving a more complex problem. I don't do that because I don't like that idea. It doesn't always solve the problem and can delay it or just cover it up. I don't know it all hence why I wrote my initial answer. If I had seen him on his bike or on a fit bike then maybe I could have fixed a problem. Sometimes a simple answer may exist but in the case of fitting someone on the internet, it usually doesn't.
The OP was in fact asking a very simple question to which there are very simple answers: where to buy a stem.

He never gave the slightest indication he wanted fitment advice. Even made it clear at one point he was NOT looking for that..

If you nonetheless insist on lecturing him about his fit issues (even though you admittedly do not know the first thing about his fit on the bike or what he is trying to do), then don’t be offended if you are told to take a hike.

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The OP was in fact asking a very simple question to which there are very simple answers: where to buy a stem.

He never gave the slightest indication he wanted fitment advice. Even made it clear at one point he was NOT looking for that..

If you nonetheless insist on lecturing him about his fit issues (even though you admittedly do not know the first thing about his fit on the bike or what he is trying to do), then don’t be offended if you are told to take a hike.

i got my stubby (35mm) stem and inserted an additional spacer on the steerer. Time to try that out, and assess. I am all set for now, thanks...
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i got my stubby (35mm) stem and inserted an additional spacer on the steerer. Time to try that out, and assess. I am all set for now, thanks...
Hey, this is not over until we say it is over
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He never gave the slightest indication he wanted fitment advice. Even made it clear at one point he was NOT looking for that..
Sure, but if the question indicates a more underlying problem, isn't it prudent to point out that issue? It may have been a consideration the OP never had.

I've asked questions before, gotten something that wasn't the exact answer I was seeking, that made me stop and rethink what I was doing. I've also gotten those answers, they were already considerations I had and had dismissed, and it is easy enough to ignore the comment.
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