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Old 06-14-18, 05:48 PM
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Craigslist Test Drive Disaster- What Do We Do?

So I am selling my used triathlon bike on craigslist - 06' Blue T-12. I was asking $650 for it. I was contacted by a buyer who was interested in trading me his used mountain bike, with a comparable value, straight up for my triathlon bike. We met up and inspected each other's bikes. Both of us took the other persons bike for a test ride. Well, the other party being new to triathlon bikes just tried to crank through the gears, got crossed up, and torqued the front derailleur hanger/"braze on" enough that it snapped off the frame. I gave him a basic rundown on shifting but didn't warn him to slowly move the shifter when pedaling and avoid crossing the gears up. I kind of just assumed he knew his way around bikes I guess. We took it into LBS and they said they can't really do anything as it was a part of the frame not a riveted or bolted on item. Our best bet was to call Blue and check on warranty - there isn't any warranty on the bike and the best they can do is offer a discount on a new carbon frame which runs $800. The other party doesn't want the bike now. He is willing to pitch in a bit for repairs but not sure if that is even a possibility at this point, may just need a new frame. So, basically I am stuck not knowing what to do in this situation. What should I ask him to pay? Does he have a responsibility to pay, or am I just SOL?
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You broke it, you bought it, right?
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You broke it, you bought it, right?
If what they are offering for trade is acceptable to you, then the above applies.
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I think you're SOL, unfortunately. Certainly no way to prove the accident was the other guys fault. Just bad luck, sometimes things happen. JMO.
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Generally that doesn't happen on a newer bike unless it is a poorly made frame but on older bikes stuff like that can happen especially after years of hard use. While this person you allowed ride your bike may have been the actual one to snap FD braze on, my guess is his shifting did not cause it to wear that quickly and destroy the part. The bike is from 2006 and was likely/hopefully ridden a lot or at least raced a bunch so it didn't owe you anything.

I don't think the person you allowed ride your bike owes you much of anything either but if they are willing to throw you some money and the frame is still safe to ride, get a 1x chainring. You will cut out some weight and simply things and you want to be in the big ring to win anyway. SRAM makes up to a 54t chain retaining ring for a 130bcd crank and Wolf Tooth Components make one up to a 52t for a 110bcd crank. If I had a tri bike I would go 1x in a heartbeat, a simpler bike just makes sense when I am focused on speed and winning.
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Oof...

I've never busted a front derailleur off of a bike.

I'm trying to think of what it would take, and it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Chainsuck + backpedaling hard?

I suppose one could upshift hard without pedaling, but even so, there should be some flex in the system to take it up.

Do you have some photos of the bike and parts?

I assume it is similar to this:


https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/534299/

So, an aluminum frame with shaped tubing. That would make a strap-on derailleur difficult. However, what I don't see are any welds around the derailleur hanger. Is it possible it was just epoxied in place?

Perhaps a replacement could be pop riveted or also epoxied back on.

As @veganbikes suggested, for flat racing, a 1x could work well.
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You're kind of out of luck on this one, unfortunately. You gave the dude consent to ride it, though you did neglect to warn him about changing gears. Not a whole lot you can do.

You might be able to build it up as a 1x, as others have suggested, and sell it as such.
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I am leaving it in the other parties court whether he wants to pitch anything in for repairs or not. I found a LBS that may be able to repair the bike, taking it in next week. If not I will go with the 1x recommendation.
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I am leaving it in the other parties court whether he wants to pitch anything in for repairs or not. I found a LBS that may be able to repair the bike, taking it in next week. If not I will go with the 1x recommendation.
I have plenty of time on my hands since I'm retired so I watch "Court Programs"

What's in the SIGNED CONTRACT regarding test ride accidents? No contract, nothing signed = no legs to stand on, so SOL.

Convert to a 1x sounds good to me.
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I was in a similar situation 12 years ago. Let someone test ride a mountain bike and they crashed, causing damage. No recourse. I ate it and learned to never let someone ride without money in hand first. Inspection of bike in a stand will reveal signs of wear and tear along with other problems if done correctly by an experience mechanic.
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I'm pretty sure you'd win in small claims court.

They either:
1) Swap (if you like their bike) and they fix it
2) They fix it
3) They pay your bill to have it fixed
4) The Judge decides how much of your stated claim is just for them to pay.

You didn't give consent to ruin your property.
IF that was the case, 2 can ruin a derailleur, right?

Most people are cool and will deal straight up IF you give them the option to choose the shop.
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Originally Posted by TiHabanero View Post
I was in a similar situation 12 years ago. Let someone test ride a mountain bike and they crashed, causing damage. No recourse. I ate it and learned to never let someone ride without money in hand first. Inspection of bike in a stand will reveal signs of wear and tear along with other problems if done correctly by an experience mechanic.
The problem with the "Money in Hand" argument is that many people say to never buy a bike without a test ride first.

Of course, most of what I buy is either in pieces, or needing repairs, so there isn't a test ride option (it simplifies things a lot).

Hopefully the repairs will go well, to both people's satisfaction, and the issue will be resolved.

I'm still leaning to the issue being the hanger just falling off, and needing to be epoxied back in place. It probably could be a home repair with a bit of care and preparation.
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I'm going to play Devil's advocate here. He test rode a bike that seemingly broke from nothing but shifting. I've never been on a CF tri bike, but any bike that irreparably breaks while I am test riding it, minus me crashing, is not something I am going to put anything towards. If there is something unique about a CF tri bike that one must shift in a very particular manner to avoid damage, that needed to be relayed to the person beforehand. Otherwise, breaking while shifting would indicate to me underlying defect (not saying there was, that is just how I would view it), and I'd be quite glad I test rode it before handing over cash.
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