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Old 07-05-18, 07:38 AM
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You missed the point. I think people overreact and think they are in more danger than they are, which often leads to dangerous confrontations. A dog is usually just defending his territory. Keep moving and he'll most likely leave you alone. Stop and it believes you are an intruder and continue to treat you as such.
Completely agree. I think a lot of the fear of dogs is due to a lack of understanding. Dogs are our animals. We have evolved them to be our companions and not try to eat us. There is 25,000 to 30,000 years of evolutionary selective pressure at work on the "dog" species. The ones that would try to eat us died out long ago. Every dog knows at the DNA level that what humans are and what we can do to them. Use that against them.

People also don't seem to understand predators in general. Predators don't fight for their food. They want to kill without being injured because if they get injured, they become prey. Every predator, from wolves to bears to lions, attack prey that is an easy target. If you make yourself a larger, meaner predator, the other predators will go out of their way to avoid you.

I also went looking at the range of the stream and fogger type pepper. It's from 2 to about 10 feet. When I ride a bicycle, I am aware of my surroundings and no dog would be allowed within 10 feet of me while I'm still riding a bike before I'd react. If a dog got within 10 feet, I'd be stopped and "scary" by then. Unless I invited it, if it got within 2 feet, it's going to get a wheel against the nose or a rock flung at it or kicked in the ribs.

But most of the time, dogs are friendly and just reacting to being surprised when they bark or even chase. Stop the chase and the dog either gets bored and wanders away or comes up for a scratch.
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For those who are concerned about how to deploy this stuff without crashing or spraying yourself....

Clip the can to a the outside of your front shorts pocket or shorts waistband. With finger-less gloves it's pretty easy to grab it while placing your finger on top of the spray trigger and have it oriented properly. It's intuitive - practice your quick-draw a couple times and you'll be good to go.

With a little ingenuity you could also find a way to mount it on your handlebars or top tube.
Friend of mine just hangs it on a brake cable.
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I think you also have to consider how well you'll fair in the public opinion polls if you are put on youtube spraying a poor defenseless dog with pepper spray. Cycling doesn't need more poor examples of behavior to hurt our image. Sadly, poochie with red eyes from pepper spray is going to generate more negative sentiment towards cycling. While a video of a cyclist scared of a chasing dog will be just seen as humorous.
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You missed the point. I think people overreact and think they are in more danger than they are, which often leads to dangerous confrontations. A dog is usually just defending his territory. Keep moving and he'll most likely leave you alone. Stop and it believes you are an intruder and continue to treat you as such.
Yeah right. Tell that to the dog that nearly bit my heel. I was moving, didn't stop, and he was out for blood. Had he been a larger dog I'd likely had to pry his jaws from my leg.
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Yeah right. Tell that to the dog that nearly bit my heel. I was moving, didn't stop, and he was out for blood. Had he not been a small dog I'd likely had to pry his jaws from my leg.
And yet he didn't bite you. And try using a loud voice next time, if you have one.
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I had my first dog bite yesterday. I am not afraid of dogs and have had many charge and chase but yelling at them has always stopped the dog, but not this time. It was a Blue Heeler and he ran straight up to me ignored the warning I gave him and bit. Luckly he got my shoe and only have a small bruise from his canine tooth on the top of my foot..

It happens that dogs do attack no matter how you handle the situation. If he would have got my ankle or calf it would have been much worse. I will carry some type of spray in the future.
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And yet he didn't bite you. And try using a loud voice next time, if you have one.
I've tried that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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It is easy to blame riders for not understanding dogs but every year someone I know gets bit. One of my friends was bit three times in as many years. Its mostly rural farm dogs on the loose.

Some dogs defend their territory by biting. That's just a fact. Some dogs are just nasty or their owners train them to be nasty.

We have dogs who hunt riders in packs. One will sit on the side of the road as a decoy and then one or more will lunge from the woods or bushes on the other side of the road when a rider passes. I have been attacked this way.

Or a small dog will get in front of your bike and bark while the big one sneaks up behind you and bites your leg.

Dog Bite in Polk County

Blame riders if you want but when you come to rural Georgia you need pepper spray. A loud voice doesn't do **** for some of these dogs. I can post half a dozen links just like the one above.

Everyone I ride with has the county animal control offices phone numbers in their phone and on some rides almost everyone carries spray. That's just the way it is. Dog bites are a big problem.


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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
I also went looking at the range of the stream and fogger type pepper. It's from 2 to about 10 feet.
Sabre Red Pepper Gel easily sprays 18 to 20 feet. I've tested it in my backyard.

https://www.sabrered.com/pepper-spra...p-belt-holster


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I'm all for "yell first, then spray if necessary", but "don't spray, talk to owner" is not a one-size-fits-all solution.

I've never carried spray, have actually had good luck yelling and outrunning dogs so I've never been bitten, but I've had enough close calls that I'm not going to second-guess the split-second decisions other people have had to make. It's not like they're clubbing or shooting the dogs.

My suspicion is some posters here would be a lot more cavalier about pepper-spraying people.
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It is easy to blame riders for not understanding dogs but every year someone I know gets bit. One of my friends was bit three times in as many years. Its mostly rural farm dogs on the loose.

Some dogs defend their territory by biting. That's just a fact. Some dogs are just nasty or their owners train them to be nasty.

We have dogs who hunt riders in packs. One will sit on the side of the road as a decoy and then one or more will lunge from the woods or bushes on the other side of the road when a rider passes. I have been attacked this way.

Or a small dog will get in front of your bike and bark while the big one sneaks up behind you and bites your leg.

Dog Bite in Polk County

Blame riders if you want but when you come to rural Georgia you need pepper spray. A loud voice doesn't do **** for some of these dogs. I can post half a dozen links just like the one above.

Everyone I ride with has the county animal control offices phone numbers in their phone and on some rides almost everyone carries spray. That's just the way it is. Dog bites are a big problem.


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Perhaps the population of Georgia needs re-civilisation and the dogs as well.

I find the attitudes in this thread frightening. And yes, I have been bitten by a dog.
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Sounds to me like a lot of people on this forum have never had to deal with anything more aggressive than a fussy librarian.
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I find the attitudes in this thread frightening. And yes, I have been bitten by a dog.
Frightening?! Puh-leeze! The dog will have a couple of bad hours, at worst. Letting it get tangled up in my bike is way more likely to seriously injure the mutt.

And you're assuming there are owners somewhere nearby to talk to, no one's been around when I've been chased.
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When my kids were young, and I hauled them around in a trailer behind the bike, I had a battery powered squirt gun.. the size and shape of a Beretta 92 I carried in a Beretta holster on the top tube. I carried a 2% soap/water solution in it.

Had to use it ONE time on ONE a$$munch dog that had a similarly a$$munch owner.
Cops got called, owner was ticketed.
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Frightening?! Puh-leeze! The dog will have a couple of bad hours, at worst. Letting it get tangled up in my bike is way more likely to seriously injure the mutt.

And you're assuming there are owners somewhere nearby to talk to, no one's been around when I've been chased.
Yes, perhaps not frightening, merely depressing. The human race thinks itself intelligent, then goes out of its way to prove otherwise.
Have you ever wondered why it is that, in other countries, few cyclists carry pepper sprays?
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Sounds to me like a lot of people on this forum have never had to deal with anything more aggressive than a fussy librarian.
Perhaps I've just not run across the "right" dog yet but in 40 years of bicycling in areas where I've never been before so I have no idea if a dog is aggressive or not, I have never even seen the need for pepper spray or even the need for a weapon. The weapon I keep between my ears has served me quite well.

And, just to be clear, I encountered aggressive dogs but I've never been chased by one. I don't let a chase develop. When I stop...and I've had to stop a number of times...the chase stops. If the dog persists as when I start to move again, I stop again.

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Blame riders if you want but when you come to rural Georgia you need pepper spray. A loud voice doesn't do **** for some of these dogs. I can post half a dozen links just like the one above.
I've ridden in parts of Georgia...not a large part but parts. I've also ridden in large parts of South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, and any other "rural area" you'd care to name (with the above mentioned exceptions). The attitude of people to dogs in those areas aren't all that much different from the attitudes in Georgia and, yet, I still never felt the need to carry anything other than the weapon between my ears.

And, again, I haven't run across any dog where a loud voice and/or stopping doesn't stop them dead in their tracks. Dogs aren't mindless killing machines like sharks. Hell, sharks aren't mindless killing machines.
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Yes, perhaps not frightening, merely depressing. The human race thinks itself intelligent, then goes out of its way to prove otherwise.
Have you ever wondered why it is that, in other countries, few cyclists carry pepper sprays?

No, because I really don't know anyone around here who carries it. But it's illegal or licensed in most European countries. https://www.robertreeveslaw.com/blog...-spray-europe/ I'm just saying that I'm not going to judge people who feel it necessary to carry it because I don't ride where they ride, and stray and uncontrolled dogs are not evenly distributed throughout the country.

Pretty sure people in other countries are also part of the human race, and I'm sure you didn't mean to imply otherwise.
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Perhaps I've just not run across the "right" dog yet but in 40 years of bicycling in areas where I've never been before so I have no idea if a dog is aggressive or not, I have never even seen the need for pepper spray or even the need for a weapon. The weapon I keep between my ears has served me quite well.

And, just to be clear, I encountered aggressive dogs but I've never been chased by one. I don't let a chase develop. When I stop...and I've had to stop a number of times...the chase stops. If the dog persists as when I start to move again, I stop again.



I've ridden in parts of Georgia...not a large part but parts. I've also ridden in large parts of South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, and any other "rural area" you'd care to name (with the above mentioned exceptions). The attitude of people to dogs in those areas aren't all that much different from the attitudes in Georgia and, yet, I still never felt the need to carry anything other than the weapon between my ears.

And, again, I haven't run across any dog where a loud voice and/or stopping doesn't stop them dead in their tracks. Dogs are mindless killing machines like sharks. Hell, sharks aren't mindless killing machines.

Many years ago, I had a dog chase me for several blocks, and he was just fast enough to follow about 5 feet behind me. I wore him out eventually, but it was so much fun, I almost went back. To this day, I don't know if he was attacking or racing.
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No, because I really don't know anyone around here who carries it. But it's illegal or licensed in most European countries. https://www.robertreeveslaw.com/blog...-spray-europe/ I'm just saying that I'm not going to judge people who feel it necessary to carry it because I don't ride where they ride, and stray and uncontrolled dogs are not evenly distributed throughout the country.

Pretty sure people in other countries are also part of the human race, and I'm sure you didn't mean to imply otherwise.
The term ‘human race’ includes every human being, every person, all people. Could you show me where I said otherwise?
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I saw some sonic weapons for dog defense, on Amazon. Emit ultrasonic frequency sound allegedly dog hates and will stop chase and run away.
Mount it to handlebar.

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The sound of a squeezebox might do the trick.
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Yes, perhaps not frightening, merely depressing. The human race thinks itself intelligent, then goes out of its way to prove otherwise.
Have you ever wondered why it is that, in other countries, few cyclists carry pepper sprays?
If I had to guess, I would say that in other countries they probably don't have a "free range" attitude toward dog ownership.
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I saw some sonic weapons for dog defense, on Amazon. Emit ultrasonic frequency sound allegedly dog hates and will stop chase and run away.
Mount it to handlebar.
I'd have to see that work in person before I'd buy it.
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My dad got chewed up a little by a couple of dogs while riding. They didn't do a lot of damage, but it was still fairly painful. About the only breeds that worry me are the bully breeds because in my opinion there is a difference in being bit and being attacked.
There are a lot of dogs that will bite, but not a lot that will continue to press an attack when faced with resistance.
Buddy of mine (tough former college fullback) got attacked by a pitbull and has some major scarring because of it.
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