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Old 06-17-05, 07:24 PM
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energy bars

How long after you eat a basic engery bar like cliff or balance on a ride does it take to start to help and how long does it last? Example, on a 25 mile ride,when would i eat one to get me home.
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Old 06-17-05, 08:08 PM
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I think it varies from person to person on when you need to eat. I usually consume my bar on the way home, if it's going to be a long ride I'll take an energy gel for the ride up. Definitely don't wait until you lose energy before you eat the bar, it's easier to prevent than to recover. Try eating it half way say 10-15 miles into the ride and see how it goes, if you need more next time take two and eat one earlier.
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Old 06-18-05, 08:00 AM
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I can't see buying "energy" bars with all the chemical junk
in them so I carry a bag of GORP. (good ol' rasins & peanuts)
The boost I get from them is seriously quick from the protein
in both and the sugars in the fruit.

and I don't get all that other crap in my body.
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Yeah, I agree with Tightwad. And someone posted a great recipe for making your own energy bars with rolled oats, honey, raisins, nuts ... think I'll try that!

Essentially, to answer your question, I'd take into consideration the calorie content of the bar, the carb/fat/protein content of the bar, and the last meal/snack I ate to determine if I needed to eat it - as well as how intense the ride was (hills, wind, is 25 miles long for you or your base ride, is this an easy day or a "pushing yourself" day, etc.). If you feel you need the bar, eat it. And then when you get home, have a recovery snack or meal, if you need it. Some days you might eat the bar halfway into your ride. Somedays maybe before your ride. Who's to say? Listen to your body - it'll tell you.
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Old 06-18-05, 10:16 AM
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What 'chemical junk' are you talking about? You do know that rasins and peanuts are made of *gasp* chemicals, right?
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Originally Posted by robo
What 'chemical junk' are you talking about? You do know that rasins and peanuts are made of *gasp* chemicals, right?
and your point is??

These food items are REAL food without additives to prevent spoilage etc.

Again.....your point is???????
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Old 06-18-05, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Tightwad
and your point is??

These food items are REAL food without additives to prevent spoilage etc.

Again.....your point is???????

My point is that people who express horror at seeing ingredients with chemical names are annoying, because their fear and/or distaste is based in ignorance. Looking at a PowerBar wrapper i have here, i don't see anything 'scary', but i can figure out what all the ingredients are, so i can make an informed assessment of what is in the bar, rather than one based on paranoia. I just see carbohydrates (the high sugar content and the fact that the bar inside the wrapper is sterile makes additives to prevent spoilage unnecessary, so i'm not sure what you're talking about there either), protein, and vitamins and minerals in a form that can be absorbed and used by the body.

Don't just see a bunch of long words and freak out. There _is_ some stuff that is genuinely bad news, or that is _quite possibly_ bad news. Aspartame, for example, or Olestra. Hydrogenated oils are probably bad as well. Pesticide residues are bad, as are hormones from factory farming leeching into the environment. But just because a product has a chemical name in the ingredients doesn't tell you anything about whether it's safe, healthy, or even natural.

I guess it's a pet peeve of mine because my family is like that. My mom would routinely throw out food when she discovered the words 'artifical flavor' in the ingredients, nevermind that nearly all 'artificial flavors' are in fact the exact same chemical as the 'natural flavor', only they have been made in a lab rather than extracted from hundreds of pounds of strawberries or whatever. That, or any chemical name in an ingredient list. No amount of reason would convince her that those evil chemicals wouldn't kill us all..


Oh, by the way, watch out for that dihydrogen monoxide! It's scary stuff man. Sodium chloride too..

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Solid food takes about two hours to give you any energy. In a 25mile ride unless you go slow enough it will not do a thing. Try liquid calories. You need to eat well the night before and at breakfast, you really can't catch up on a 25 mile ride.

If you were going ten miles an hour and you ate half an hour into the ride, you might feel better after the ride. But if you're going ten miles an hour you probably won't get tired.
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Hell,thats darn near my avg.
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Originally Posted by shokhead
How long after you eat a basic engery bar like cliff or balance on a ride does it take to start to help and how long does it last? Example, on a 25 mile ride,when would i eat one to get me home.
Use gel (PowerGel, Carb-Boom, Clif Shot, etc.). It works faster, at least for me.
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Old 06-18-05, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Tightwad
I can't see buying "energy" bars with all the chemical junk
in them so I carry a bag of GORP. (good ol' rasins & peanuts)
The boost I get from them is seriously quick from the protein
in both and the sugars in the fruit.

and I don't get all that other crap in my body.
Like enormous amounts of fat and salt! LOL
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Old 06-18-05, 06:43 PM
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Don't knock salt. Good stuff when you are riding on a hot day. In fact I am seriously considering spiking my gatorade with a little extra salt on days when the mercury is supposed to go over 80. That and a little lemon juice to cut the sweetness perhaps. I already make it up a fair bit less sweet than it is supposed to be.

Hope this doesn't trigger a new chain about all the evil things in Gatorade. I know they are there, just find that it works better than plain water.
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Amazing All this defense of chemical additives along with worry
over small amount of natural vegetable fats /salts.

Really, people. Whatever happened to food as God made it?? While I could
care less what others eat there may be some who never thought of, or tried,
GORP as a trail food for quick energy. Food that doesn't spoil , you can make
up at home cheaply, and will not hurt you if you can handle nuts.

I figure a sandwich bag of GORP will get me by fairly well on a days ride
between meals without causing stomach cramps from eating to much.

And the cost.........is pennies per bag.
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Old 06-18-05, 09:28 PM
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I hate peanut and raisin mixes, or raisins in any mix, and their trailer-trash kiddie sibling peanut-butter-and-jelly. Gimme cashews, hazelnuts, figs and dates! But what the heck do you have against Clif Bars, other than price?
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Originally Posted by bkrownd
I hate peanut and raisin mixes, or raisins in any mix, and their trailer-trash kiddie sibling peanut-butter-and-jelly. Gimme cashews, hazelnuts, figs and dates! But what the heck do you have against Clif Bars, other than price?
Mate, you can make GORP from any dried fruit and any nuts you like. Now how's that sound??

As to "clif bars" or any other 'bars" let me ask you why run the TOTAL cost up driving anywhere
to get this manufactured product ( I won't call it 'food" as it's not to me). I can make my own
food at home where I KNOW what's in it an I can pronounce all the stuff in it.

Ever try dried pineapple and cashews?? Food of the gods, mate.

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Old 06-18-05, 09:52 PM
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Nothing wrong with GORP. Just saying there's nothing wrong with Powerbars either.. and they have less fat.
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Originally Posted by Tightwad
Mate, you can make GORP from any dried fruit and any nuts you like. Now how's that sound??
Yeah, I make killer fruitcake so I can handle it. Still, what's the gripe about Clif Bars?
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If you're gonna add more salt to the gatorade, try Morton's 'Lite' salt. It's actually a mixture of potassium chloride and sodium chloride, so it supplies you with potassium, which you lose when you sweat, on top of the sodium.

In fact, despite all the marketing, Gatorade is nothing more than sugars, sodium, potassium, and flavor/color. I've been making my own Gatorade for a couple months, and it works fine.

9 tablespoons sugar, 0.75 teaspoons Morton's Lite salt, and a packet of unsweetened koolaid mix if you want flavor and dayglo colors. My next batch, i'm going to try natural lemon extract powder instead of the koolaid. Despite my diatribe above, i'd rather not consume gallons of artifical food color (which is indeed 'artificial', unlike artificial flavor)
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The texture of clif bars are pretty bad IMO, plus the flavors are very hit and miss....There was only one I liked, however I forgot the name of it.
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I only ever liked the carrot cake flavor clif bars. I like powerbars. They don't pretend to be anything more than concentrated nutrients in a convenient package. An energy bar is not a tasty baked treat, no matter how hard Clif bar tries to make it seem like it is.
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Originally Posted by catatonic
The texture of clif bars are pretty bad IMO, plus the flavors are very hit and miss....There was only one I liked, however I forgot the name of it.
Hit-and-miss is expected, since everybody likes something different. I don't like any of the peanut flavored or "iced" Clif bars, but I love the apricot and apple types. The only PowerBar I can handle is the apple one. Reminds me of apple-cinnamon Cream-of-Wheat if it's cooked down and cooled to a sort of chewy solid lump - mmmmm.
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I think stomach emptying can take as little as 25-30 minutes, but can be delayed by higher levels of fat, fiber (and to a lesser extent) protein. For liquids, I think the rate is also affected by concentration (how much or how little water is present).
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So on a 25 miler,your better off eating the bar before you ride rather then while you ride to get some effects from it.
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