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Old 07-07-18, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by beasty_artemis View Post
i know lots of guys who buy inexpensive bikes from wal-mart that are as hard core as any "expert" who just has too much money too blow. Is anyone who isn't a pretentious elitist just another criminal ? Harsh....
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Old 07-07-18, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte View Post
wonít try to rip you off, not too badly anyway.
Is there really a difference?


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Old 07-07-18, 08:14 PM
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Human beings are generally awful and cyclists are no exception.

Every year after the Dirty Kanza there is a flood of naval gazing blog posts about what an incredible life changing experience it is.

No, it's not. It's just a really difficult 200 mile gravel ride.

If you were an ******* before the ride, and you finish, you're just an ******* who rode 200 miles. There's nothing about a bicycle that magically transforms someone into a good person.
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Old 07-07-18, 08:28 PM
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There's a logical fallacy in there somewhere.
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Old 07-07-18, 11:00 PM
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it really comes down to the product they use on there chain; wax or lube?
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Old 07-08-18, 04:29 AM
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I don't know, did Bernie madoff ride a bike?
Lance Armstrong did.
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Old 07-08-18, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ksryder View Post
Human beings are generally awful and cyclists are no exception.

Every year after the Dirty Kanza there is a flood of naval gazing blog posts about what an incredible life changing experience it is.

No, it's not. It's just a really difficult 200 mile gravel ride.

If you were an ******* before the ride, and you finish, you're just an ******* who rode 200 miles. There's nothing about a bicycle that magically transforms someone into a good person.
Life (and cycling experiences) is raw data. Use it as you will. If it's transformative in one's life....excellent.
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Old 07-08-18, 05:25 AM
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Some years ago, I was working on a carpentry job in Brookline MA, and staying there for the summer -
Area of very fancy "mini-estates", bordering a large country club.

Anyway, there was a rash of nighttime burglaries - From the evidence, done by a guy on a mountain bike !
He was still "at large" at the time I left, even though they brought in bike cops to try and catch him...........
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Old 07-08-18, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mixteup View Post
Some years ago, I was working on a carpentry job in Brookline MA, and staying there for the summer -
Area of very fancy "mini-estates", bordering a large country club.

Anyway, there was a rash of nighttime burglaries - From the evidence, done by a guy on a mountain bike !
He was still "at large" at the time I left, even though they brought in bike cops to try and catch him...........
smoky & the cadence couldnt catch a rock crawler?
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Old 07-08-18, 07:17 AM
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Snot-rocketing? Is that frowned upon?

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At times. If on an MUP riding into a strong head wind, and I am setting up to pass you and just about at the point I am going to announce my presence, then at least one person will frown upon your snot-rocketing.
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Old 07-08-18, 08:48 AM
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Cyclists are just ordinary people on human powered two or three wheels. I've never noticed any significant difference between us and anyone else, other than a different tolerance for sweaty socializing.

I've met a few vaguely shady characters who were avid cyclists. But that's because cyclists represent as much diversity as the population at large. I've ridden alongside politicians, lawyers, electricians, teachers, civil servants, salesmen, waitresses, mechanics, musicians and cops in the same group rides. What we all have in common is wearing silly clothing and managing to get along.
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Old 07-12-18, 09:46 AM
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& all parents are grown-ups ...
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Old 07-12-18, 09:50 AM
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I'm a cyclist...And according to my ex-wife, I'm a real ******bag.

So, there you have it.
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Old 07-12-18, 09:55 AM
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You left out targeting detractors and trying to ruin their lives. Oh. Wait. Only Lance did that. Never mind.
Perjury, don't forget the perjury.

He paid a civil settlement for it, and wasn't charged criminally only because the statute of limitations had run by the time he admitted it.

The attacks on detractors and people telling the truth are why he must never be forgiven by the sport.
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Old 07-12-18, 10:20 AM
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My nominee for best character of any bicyclist:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27333310Gino Bartali: The cyclist who saved Jews in wartime Italy

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Old 07-12-18, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte View Post
I have met a lot of serious cyclists, and have in general been very impressed by the character of them as a whole. Yes, you have DBís, really insecure people (usually one and the same) cheapskates, braggarts, blowhards, wheel-suckers, people who yell at you in pacelines, snot-blowers, and other annoying types, eccentricity is practically a staple in the cycling world.

But I canít remember ever having met a genuinely bad person who was a serious rider. Iím talking career criminals, everyone knows the type. Smooth talker, brazen thief, been in and out of jail since their teens, make their living ripping people off so that they donít have to work. These kind of people never spend the time and effort needed to become a proficient cyclist or racer. The guy who steals bikes is never much of a serious rider, or that's been my observation anyway.

So if you run into someone who rides a lot, itís almost guaranteed they will be a decent person, a chill bro, and wonít try to rip you off, not too badly anyway. This sport has a rather cleansing effect on peopleís character, I like to think.

Has anyone here ever known a serious criminal / really bad person, who was also an avid cyclist?
Well I have seen pictures of politicians on bikes trying to curry some favor. That includes and ex-president that was on a woman's bike. So there ARE criminals on bikes.
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Old 07-12-18, 11:30 AM
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Seriously though, is anyone gonna tell me that a group of serious motorcyclists, will have no greater incidence of criminals in it than a group of ultra-marathon cyclists? I don't buy that for a second.
Seeing as how there are outlaw biker gangs out there, of course some "serious" motorcyclist groups will have a higher incidence of criminals.

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Old 07-12-18, 11:35 AM
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A cyclist who is a person of poor character? Boris Johnson comes to mind.
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Old 07-12-18, 12:06 PM
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Yes, and who could forget:



But she wasn't a "serious" cyclist, obviously, just look at that terrible position on the bike. And she's not wearing cycling-specific shoes, or even toe clips, FFS.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post

The attacks on detractors and people telling the truth are why he must never be forgiven by the sport.
Using that logic we should never vote in presidential elections.
I judge L.A. cycling ability on his cycling not on his character.
If I judged every pro athlete on their character I couldn't watch, golf, football, baseball, tennis,etc.
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Using that logic we should never vote in presidential elections.
I judge L.A. cycling ability on his cycling not on his character.
If I judged every pro athlete on their character I couldn't watch, golf, football, baseball, tennis,etc.

Well, that's nice. He cheated to get that riding ability. He effectively ruined or greatly damaged the lives of people who were telling the truth about this. His entire record is a fraud. He has been stripped of all titles and they should never be restored.

I really don't care what you watch.
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Old 07-12-18, 01:57 PM
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I judge L.A. cycling ability on his cycling not on his character.
I don't think anyone knows what Lance's actual cycling ability is.
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Here's a hint, better than everyone one else in the same era doing the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte View Post
Yes, and who could forget:



But she wasn't a "serious" cyclist, obviously, just look at that terrible position on the bike. And she's not wearing cycling-specific shoes, or even toe clips, FFS.
And not one bit of lycra.
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Here's a hint, better than everyone one else in the same era doing the same thing.

He wins the award for bestest cheater. We have no idea where he would have been in a clean sport, and his actions beyond the cheating were so morally repugnant, no one owes him the benefit of the doubt.
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