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Old 07-11-18, 09:17 AM
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Yes I have done but they all seem absolutely miles away from me .... I even looked at getting the lowest in the range 2nd hand with Claris and mechanical brakes as the frames are all the same geometry with a view to upgrading to 105's over time as and when I had funds available.
Just something to think about if you do this- Shimano 11 speed drivetrains operate with a different pull ratio that lower speeds.
So 11 speed 105, Ultegra, and DA are all on their own- meaning to use these in any part of your shifting, you need to have a full 11speed drivetrain.

A 5800 front derailleur doesn’t even properly work with a Sora shifter.
Also, you need 11sp compatible wheels.

Just want to make sure you are aware since you mention upgrading. That’s great and all, but if you do upgrade, you will need to upgrade the wheelset, shifters, front derailleur, rear derailleur, chain, cassette, and crank all at the same time.
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As per the heading is there really that much difference between them and are they worth the extra.
Depends on how you ride, the abilities and performance level of your body and other considerations that may or may not apply depending on your particular situation and need.

I've done quite a few searches comparing one to another and a number of the results you get back are reviews that are possibly sponsored / biased towards up-selling products which is beneficial for the company so thought I'd ask the real people and everyday users for an honest opinion in here.
All articles are biased, it's just a matter of determining what that bias is. Frequently we don't consider it bias if it seems to agree with the popular opinion of a group. Perhaps the article was written by or for a group of people that operate at near peak physical fitness, so a low end group with few gears would be ridiculous to talk about. Similarly if an article is aimed at a group that can afford the best of everything, why talk cheap stuff?

A lot of the comments seem to generally refer to having an extra gear and have seen things like "Tiagra's worth the jump up from Claris because of the extra gear"
An extra gear is always worth it if it's within your budget IMO. You may not see the difference if you never ride hard or don't focus on a particular cadence at a particular torque output. I think buying the most gears that is within your budget makes your bike more future proof for changes in your riding level and habits.
and "the new Tiagra is the old 105's before they jumped to 2 x 11"
I've wondered and suspect that as they improve and change the design of the top tier DuraAce, that the previous edition actually does become the new version of the next lower tier Ultegra, which in turn becomes the next 105 and so forth. Not so much the entire product, but at least some of the key parts and manufacturing processes significant to it's better performance and operation. Perhaps with less expensive materials and/or less strict tolerance controls that make it less expensive to mfr and allow them keep the cost reasonable at the lower tier. Lots of speculation on my part that I've never looked into. Anyone else?
... but in a market whose latest trend seems to be 1 x 11 does having 1 extra cog on the cassette make a difference when even the Claris is 2 x 8 totaling 5 more than the 1 x 11.
Well remember there used to be and still are folks that put out some pretty impressive performance on just a ten or even five speed bike. So if you don't need the in-between gear ratios, then 11 can be enough. 1-11's won't be the ideal bike for everyone, but they might be the ideal bike for many that don't operate at peak physical demand when riding their bike. Or if they do ride at peak physical demand then they have a specific use and specific ride conditions that bike is aimed at. At that point it's arguably not going to be a bike for all their riding needs, but is tailored to be superior for a specific need.

Where you may have the same model but with different specs / price points I'm probably more tempted to go one up from the bottom rung with Sora rather than Claris as this can often be the entry point for hydraulic rather than mechanical brakes ... but the frame's are often exactly the same just with different colours / graphics so what else might you expect jumping up from there and is the gear change really that much smoother it justifies the extra cost.
As I've stated before, and firmly believe, if you don't ride at a demanding level with regards to performance of your body and seek to improve your metrics from one ride to the next then you won't see much if any difference that is necessary to you. However if you do, then you will eventually get to a point of fitness that you realize a shift that takes more than a quarter turn or less of the crank to complete is really hurting you in some way.

Though for a time it was my preferred ride, I seldom ride my old Raleigh with 2x7 53/39 14-28 friction shifters on the downtube because of two things. The length of time to shift, which can be over half a crank, sometimes a full crank when you consider to find the appropriate ratio. And because of the limited number of gears on the rear that in order to find the next acceptable ratio sometime require me to shift the front once and back two gears up or down. That takes a long time considering my current bike with 2x11 52/36 and 11-32 almost always lets me find an appropriate ratio with just one shift of the rear. With the 105 5800 it has shifts to lower ratios are virtually instantaneous and shifts to lower ratios are well within a quarter turn of the crank. The saving in my energy while trying to climb hard or accelerate is very noticeable to me compared to the Raleigh.

The usefulness of more gears on the rear and indexed shifting on the bars for my riding is very evident. Because of that I've got all the 105 5800 group, brakes, cranks and all sitting under my desk to upgrade my Raleigh if I ever quit spending so much time on this forum, and get my shop cleaned up so I can paint it too. My '78 Raleigh I think will build out a tad lighter and in many respects seemed to be a better bike frame for near best effort rides and ease of maneuvering while my '91 Paramount is more for long or easy rides not requiring fast maneuvering around curves or individuals in group rides.

But still, everyone really has to decide if it means anything to the way they use their bikes. Even if it's just that they have the money and are willing to spend it, just so they can have something considered the best, it's a valid reason. There is no requirement that a person has to be able to use something to it's fullest potential in order to own it.
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I have both a Claris and a 105 equipped bike. The difference is quite noticeable. Certainly more noticeable than say aluminum vs carbon frames.

I'd say Claris is "good enough" for what most people (including myself) really need... but personally I'd pay the extra for 105 because that's what I would want.
I am sort of here. I have Claris, had Sora and upgraded to older Tiagra, have newer but not new Tiagra, 105, and Ultegra.

I cannot measure stuff ... but subjectively the Ultegra shifts a little more smoothly and stops noticeably better than the 105. The 105 feels solid and bulletproot and smooth and pretty quiet. When building my last bike, I chose 105 to save a couple hundred dollars because by my experience the difference wasn't worth the price increase. Looking back ... I might upgrade the brakes, but probably not.

Tiagra 9- and 10-speed (4500, 4600) are great. No issues, no complaints. Just great. I like the feel of the 4500 levers better, but I like the 10 speeds better. Neither bike is a weight weenie, so the extra grams for the Tiagra parts ... meaningless. But the Claris .... it works just fine. Flawless, issue free ... might need more frequent adjustment, and certainly the shifting doesn't feel anywhere near as smooth and effortless ... but as far as getting right into gear so i can ride, it does exactly what it is supposed to.

I'd say, buy as much as you can afford. it will work, and unless you have a self-destructive habit of thought, you will be happy with it.

Example: I rode my 10-sped Tiagra-equipped bike the last two nights because I like the bike. The groupset had nothing to do with it. I move the lever, it shifts, I squeeze the lever, it stops. I pedal, it goes. not missing a thing.

Buy as much as you can afford, but if it a toss-up between going up a group or getting say, better wheels or something .... All of it works well.
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Reality check... No bias here...


I went from Claris 2400 to Tiagra 4700 STI, FD, Ultegra 6800 RD, 6700 cassette on the same bike.


​​​​​​There were only a few actual functional benefits:

** 2 more gears
** ergonomics of braking on the hoods improved (which I assume would be the same as Tiagra/105 on the Claris R2000)
** crisper front shifting


I did the switch for fun and aesthetics using gearing as an excuse. Claris works just fine if you're happy with the gears you have.
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Hmmmm .... the more I hear the more I'm torn although will probably go for it's a bike I'll keep for years and end up spending more.

I could easily afford the more expensive if I sold other items that have been in storage for 2/3 years from a different hobby, if I ever went back to that hobby I'd be mortified if I'd sold it but could of had an amasing bike to use and enjoy rather then something mothballing in the meantime .... Grrrr ... decisions ehhh

Actually probably last question, this relates to I much prefer the graphics / look of one to another as well as budget ... If I discount Claris / Sora ... the difference just between Tiagra and 105 if you had to choose between one or the other???
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If I discount Claris / Sora ... the difference just between Tiagra and 105 if you had to choose between one or the other???
I would get 11sp 105 for sure.
Tiagra 10sp isnt compatible with anything else. Not even older gen 10sp from the higher groups.
11sp 105 is compatible with multiple generations of 105, Ultegra, and DA.

I just dont like that 10sp Tiagra is alone on an island.
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My Trek 1.1 has Shimano 2300 (8-speed) and I've never had any trouble out of it. This version of 2300 has the thumb switch for downshifting. 2300 is reliable and shifting is actually smooth on it. My Trek Domane and Motobecane Gravel bike have 105 (11-speed). 105 is nice and definitely an upgrade over 2300... with the biggest improvement being the brakes.
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I would get 11sp 105 for sure.
Tiagra 10sp isnt compatible with anything else. Not even older gen 10sp from the higher groups.
11sp 105 is compatible with multiple generations of 105, Ultegra, and DA.

I just dont like that 10sp Tiagra is alone on an island.
That's a very good point.
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Always check the official documents for what is/isn't compatible between different groups and different versions/vintages of the same group.

Tiagra 10s derailer uses the same actuation geometry as all of the Shimano road 11s groups, so is not compatible with any 10s shifter other than a Tiagra 10s shifter.

Prior to 11s and the Tiagra 10s, most parts interchanged freely.

Shimano tends to thoroughly redesign parts that migrate to lower price tiers, 105 10s shifters have nothing in common with 10s Tiagra shifters for example, and even when parts remain compatible between gruppos, the parts are still redesigned for their place in the lower-priced gruppo.

Any group's shifting performance is dependent on the cable routing path inside of the frame, and some frames force the cable to make one too many direction changes. Result is difficult setup, often depending on either a high-dollar coated cable or a thinner 1.1mm cable to keep shifting accuracy on par with the accuracy of the components.
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Much is made of Tiagra 4700's non-compatibility, but I think the case is over-drawn. Tiagra 4700 is not compatible with older-generation and lower-echelon components (105 5700, e.g.), but it is compatible with present (and likely, future) and with higher echelon components. I personally don't see it as a problem. Much ado about little.
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It really comes down to what works for you, isn't it. I liked the way i could downshift my Nexus shifters by tapping a drinks bottle on the downshift button.. And no shifter was ever as comfortable as an Alivio one i have in a box somewhere, modelled by someone with precisely the same size hand, it seems.
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I have asked this question at several local bike shops and all I have ever heard was weight and crisper shifting. I don't care about the tiny bit of weight difference and I am dubious about the shifting claims.
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So I have all three, Sora, Tiagra, and 105 5800.

Sora was my first groupset and I liked it, worked just fine. If it was all the budged I could afford I would have no issues with it.
Tiagra, not sure but I just don't like it as much. It works just as good as the Sora but just not my favorite for some reason. IDK? If I HAD to choose between Sora and Tiagra, I would actually choose Sora.

Now my new bike has 105 5800. I wish I would have waited for the new 7000 I think its called 105 but anyways I love the 105. It just works and works well. Probably my favorite of the listed choices. Well worth the money and as stated the braking is much better too. A great upper-lower end groupset. Someday I would love to try the Ultegra or Dura Ace but for the cost per set 105 is all the average guy really needs in my opinion. I probably wouldn't go back from the 11 speed either, such a great range.

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I would get 11sp 105 for sure.
Tiagra 10sp isnt compatible with anything else. Not even older gen 10sp from the higher groups.
11sp 105 is compatible with multiple generations of 105, Ultegra, and DA.

I just dont like that 10sp Tiagra is alone on an island.
For now, that is true. However, I would anticipate that going forward, one of two things will likely happen. One, Shimano will continue to refine 10 speed Tiagra components. Or alternately, Shimano will upgrade Tiagra to 11 speed, and upgrade Sora to 10 speed, presumably compatible with current Tiagra 10 speed. Then, Claris will be upgraded to 9 speed, and some new, as yet to be named group will be the new 8 speed.

If I were looking for a new bike and budget was not a concern and it came down to 10 or 11 speed, I would probably go with 11 speed. If budget is a concern, 9 speed Sora is a great budget choice. But if budget is a concern and I had an opportunity to get 10 speed bike for the same price as 9 speed, I would probably do it. I am counting on Shimano to eventually make a budget line of 10 speed compatible drivetrains, probably in the next year or two.

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For now, that is true. However, I would anticipate that going forward, one of two things will likely happen. One, Shimano will continue to refine 10 speed Tiagra components. Or alternately, Shimano will upgrade Tiagra to 11 speed, and upgrade Sora to 10 speed, presumably compatible with current Tiagra 10 speed. Then, Claris will be upgraded to 9 speed, and some new, as yet to be named group will be the new 8 speed.
sure, all that is possible. Even still, Sora was just changed a year ago so it wont be changed for a couple years. Add that to the 3ish years 4700 has been around and itll be about 5 years at earliest before Tiagra isnt on that proverbial island.

Half a decade as a standalone group unable to easily(if at all in many cases) intermix.
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sure, all that is possible. Even still, Sora was just changed a year ago so it wont be changed for a couple years. Add that to the 3ish years 4700 has been around and itll be about 5 years at earliest before Tiagra isnt on that proverbial island.

Half a decade as a standalone group unable to easily(if at all in many cases) intermix.
If you are buying a new bike and are worried about the future, that isn't a problem. if you are worried that when your Tiagra drivetrain components wear out, that this is something Shimano won't support, I don't think that is a concern.
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105 would get my vote.
And by reputation it dominates the sweet spot (between economy and functionality) in Shimano's lineup.
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By the time the Tiagra stuff wore out and all the spare parts were gone ... bikes won't even have cogs, chains, and derailleurs.

I bought two very rare early 80s-vintage derailleurs for an old Cannondale and there were still plenty available online.

In any case ... you could always upgrade to whichever new, low-budget group from Shimano which replaced Tiagra ... a decade from now.
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I just bought a 5800 105 bike, and I have a 9 speed hybrid with arguably worse components (Alivio/Acera/Altus).

Honestly, the differences in functionality aren't that much in terms of reliability/clunkiness. The 11 speed rear is really no different than the 9 speed rear. Both are reliable and crisp and equally satisfying shifting up or down. The front is a little better on the 11 speed. Going up to the big chain ring is definitely less hassle than on the 9 speed, but still every once in a great while it's clunky. I have a triple on my hybrid, and I'd say going between the granny and the middle on that is not really any different than going from the small to the big on the 11, it's mainly getting up onto the big on the 9 speed that kinda sucks.

Honestly, function wise, all Shimano stuff is built to work well, and it generally does. It's the weight that changes as the price increases.
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You can always cross them. My Tiagra rear derailleur works great with both Altus, Nexus snd LX shifters, and both 8/9sp cassettes. And i use a Claris front derailleur with my current 2/3sp XT front shifter which has an mtb-only dynasys rear set-up.
If that Tiagra rear derailleur is a 4700 that's a miracle right there, because with the release of 4700 Shimano changed the shifter cable pull and RD pull ratio.

It's not as easy to mix shifting stuff as it was 10+ years ago sadly.

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i am ever so happy i like friction shifting and 8 speed. these choices make me tired.
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As per the heading is there really that much difference between them and are they worth the extra.

I've done quite a few searches comparing one to another and a number of the results you get back are reviews that are possibly sponsored / biased towards up-selling products which is beneficial for the company so thought I'd ask the real people and everyday users for an honest opinion in here.

A lot of the comments seem to generally refer to having an extra gear and have seen things like "Tiagra's worth the jump up from Claris because of the extra gear" and "the new Tiagra is the old 105's before they jumped to 2 x 11" ... but in a market whose latest trend seems to be 1 x 11 does having 1 extra cog on the cassette make a difference when even the Claris is 2 x 8 totaling 5 more than the 1 x 11.

Where you may have the same model but with different specs / price points I'm probably more tempted to go one up from the bottom rung with Sora rather than Claris as this can often be the entry point for hydraulic rather than mechanical brakes ... but the frame's are often exactly the same just with different colours / graphics so what else might you expect jumping up from there and is the gear change really that much smoother it justifies the extra cost.
We spill a lot of electronic ink debating these topics. The thing is, a new bike is not just a shifter. A bike with a full 105 drivetrain likely has a better frame, and maybe better tires and wheels as well as better shifters, chain, brakes and derailleurs. But as a hobbyist or leisure rider, you will have to ask, does it make a difference? We on bike forums stress out a lot about this stuff, but get out in the real world of cycling enthusiasts and you see people happily riding 10, 20, even 30 year old bikes that have mostly stood the test of time, only replacing components when they wear out, which is usually not all that often.

The other thing to consider, and I have made this point numerous times. 8 speed Claris is oretty much entry level for road groups these days, but even so, is a technological marvel for the price. Better than Merckx, Hinault, Lemond and Indurain used when those guys were dominating the pro tour. As good as what Lance Armstrong used when he started his career. And if those guys managed to conquer Alpe D'Huez, Tourmalet, and Ventoux on 6, 7 or 8 speeds, you probably don't need 11 speeds to handle your local hill or charity ride. It is nice to have the latest and the greatest, but you probably don't need it, and it probably won't make you much faster or more efficient.
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On a related note, why is front shifting still so imperfect, even in this day and age?
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