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Duck tape hotfoot cure

Old 07-19-18, 07:59 AM
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Duck tape hotfoot cure

Well, it's helping, anyway.

After switching to very expensive from moderately expensive shoes to to address a chronic issue with painful pressure symptoms in my right foot, I added tape to the insole. To correct a presumed ankle varus—I am an under-pronator when I run and wear my shoes on the outside—I added graduated layers of duck tape the the medial (instep) side of sole, from about the front of the heel to to mid-ball, creating a wedge that was a few mm thick on the medial edge. I have ridden on it twice and can confirm a noticeable improvement. Most remarkably, it decreased symptoms across the entire breadth of the foot, not just on the lateral side, as one might expect. I am watching my right knee and I think it's tracking a few degrees laterally of where it was.

Not an elegant or, perhaps, ideal solution, but it was certainly diagnostic. I can now consider using a cleat wedge as a definitive measure if the improvement holds.
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I had never thought of using tape to secure a duck to the bottom of my foot as a cushion. Would you recommend Gorilla Tape or packing tape or ........
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I had never thought of using tape to secure a duck to the bottom of my foot as a cushion. Would you recommend Gorilla Tape or packing tape or ........
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Old 07-19-18, 09:33 AM
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^ Good answer.
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Old 07-19-18, 11:36 AM
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I had never thought of using tape to secure a duck to the bottom of my foot as a cushion. Would you recommend Gorilla Tape or packing tape or ........
I don't recommend taping gorillas to anything. They don't like that and they're very, very strong.
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I don't recommend taping gorillas to anything. They don't like that and they're very, very strong.
First you have to sedate it by supplying alcohol made from bananas. Then you can tape it.
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Old 07-19-18, 04:29 PM
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Homemade orthotics? I'm in.
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Sounds like you have created an arch support. Many shops will have them in various degrees of "wedge". Use these in conjunction with the cleat wedge.
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Old 07-20-18, 03:48 AM
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To decrease hotfoot ... install your cleats all the way back.
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Duct tape, we call it “Alabama Chrome” here in the southern land of cotton, cures just about everything
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
I had never thought of using tape to secure a duck to the bottom of my foot as a cushion. Would you recommend Gorilla Tape or packing tape or ........
Before packing tape make sure to check your state or country’ laws on possession, and whether you can open or concealed carry without a permit.
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For those many interested, my cleats are now all the way back under my heels, where the local experts and my strip mall chiropractor advised me to put them.
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For those many interested, my cleats are now all the way back under my heels, where the local experts and my strip mall chiropractor advised me to put them.
Heels????
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Heels????
He is taking the piss.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
To decrease hotfoot ... install your cleats all the way back.
Thanks for this! It is the one thing my wife hasn't tried to cure her hot foot problems.
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For those many interested, my cleats are now all the way back under my heels, where the local experts and my strip mall chiropractor advised me to put them.
that guy's an amateur! My pro-level massage the****** had me put my cleats ON TOP of my shoes!
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Originally Posted by rgconner View Post
He is taking the piss.
I'll give it back if you ask nicely.

Seriously, for just an instant, the tape is nice because it adds increments of thickness wherever you want it and is revisable. Obviously a custom orthotic would be the definitive solution, but I doubt my crummy retiree Tricare covers those and I want to be sure it'll help before I pop for one or wedge the cleat.
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MoAlpha, there are several things going on at once that cause hotfoot. I will only address a few. Metatarsal support, arch support and cleat placement and pedal stroke. Generally, a cleat wedge to compensate for vargus is used to address the figure 8 movement of the knee when pedaling and not foot pressure problems (hotfoot). Creating a metatarsal support button on the bottom of the shoe insert is easily done with duct tape, which happens to be the method I used to address it in my shoes. This usually helps considerably with hotfoot.
What I have seen with arch support is that it falls short in fully addressing hotfoot, and should be used in conjunction with a metatarsal support. Arch support does address vargus and knee alignment. It comes down to proper support of the foot in the shoe for the job it is doing.
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MoAlpha, there are several things going on at once that cause hotfoot. I will only address a few. Metatarsal support, arch support and cleat placement and pedal stroke. Generally, a cleat wedge to compensate for vargus is used to address the figure 8 movement of the knee when pedaling and not foot pressure problems (hotfoot). Creating a metatarsal support button on the bottom of the shoe insert is easily done with duct tape, which happens to be the method I used to address it in my shoes. This usually helps considerably with hotfoot.
What I have seen with arch support is that it falls short in fully addressing hotfoot, and should be used in conjunction with a metatarsal support. Arch support does address vargus and knee alignment. It comes down to proper support of the foot in the shoe for the job it is doing.
Thanks for the discussion. The relief is not complete and I need to start experimenting with the metatarsal support.
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Originally Posted by Patriot1 View Post
Duct tape, we call it “Alabama Chrome” here in the southern land of cotton, cures just about everything
I had some Bamalama Chrome on my '93 Buick. Even got the color to match the paint job. Amazing stuff.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
To decrease hotfoot ... install your cleats all the way back.
^^ this.
If you have hot foot, it is often due to your cleats being too far forward.
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