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Old 07-24-18, 09:42 AM
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Suggestions for steel lugged

I'm looking suggestions for a nice lightweight, steel lugged complete road bike new or used. Currently about to pull the trigger on a Raleigh around 22lb 20spd. Just want to see what's out there and other options. I haven't been on the bike seen for longtime. So what make and models New or used My budget is 1300$. Some I googled Masi, All City, Wabi, Pure Cycles again lightweight lugged. Thanks for your responses in advanced.
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Old 07-24-18, 10:24 AM
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For $1300, you can keep an eye on Craigslist and eBay, and you may find a nice used bike with a lugged steel frame. For a new bike, I doubt you'll find anything like that for so little money - production lugged frames are fairly rare these days.

Now, for your budget, you can get a nice new bike with a tig-welded steel frame, and that will be functionally excellent. At this point, lugs are largely aesthetic.
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For $1300 you could get yourself a fine looking vintage Paramount, Bottecchia, Derosa or Colnago any day of the week. The best ones were made during the middle of the the 1980's.
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Soma Stanyan is a great option for a new, reasonably priced lugged frame. All set for 130mm rear wheels unlike all the vintage stuff on ebay. Riding a 40 year old frame with unknown history is a risk. Crashed frames get revamped and sold as, "only ridden on Sundays by a little old lady from Pasadena...." all the time.

Stanyan ?18 (Classic Road Sport) | SOMA Fabrications
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Old 07-24-18, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
For $1300, you can keep an eye on Craigslist and eBay, and you may find a nice used bike with a lugged steel frame. For a new bike, I doubt you'll find anything like that for so little money - production lugged frames are fairly rare these days.

Now, for your budget, you can get a nice new bike with a tig-welded steel frame, and that will be functionally excellent. At this point, lugs are largely aesthetic.
Do you know any brands with performance light completes?

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For $1300 you could get yourself a fine looking vintage Paramount, Bottecchia, Derosa or Colnago any day of the week. The best ones were made during the middle of the the 1980's.
Do you know any models with performance light completes?

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Soma Stanyan is a great option for a new, reasonably priced lugged frame. All set for 130mm rear wheels unlike all the vintage stuff on ebay. Riding a 40 year old frame with unknown history is a risk. Crashed frames get revamped and sold as, "only ridden on Sundays by a little old lady from Pasadena...." all the time.
Nice but I'm trying to stay from scratch builds because I have too many projects (smh) and they tend to get real pricey. I will add the brand to the list to see if someone has one built already.
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Old 07-24-18, 01:34 PM
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Buyers market, $1300 will get you alot of bike.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/USA-made-Le...item3b09a136e7
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Old 07-24-18, 02:03 PM
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Used might be the way to go. I saw these on craigslist near me (NYC):

https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/b...624843054.html
https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/b...632474568.html
https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/b...639783612.html
https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/b...648644679.html

Etc... Ad nauseam... I don't know your size, but they are good examples. You also don't say what you want to use the bike for. So I assumed road/race bikes.
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Old 07-24-18, 02:34 PM
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Not lugged but a leftover Fairdale Goodship is IMO a great bike at an amazing price.
https://store.fairdalebikes.com/coll...oodship-orange

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Old 07-24-18, 03:27 PM
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I have a steel Tallerico I got on eBay for $1100. It was about 20.5 lbs when I got it. It's now down to 18 lbs with a few changes to the wheels etc.

It's mid 2000 Campy Chorus 10speed. Probably about $5500 new.

Not the absolute lightest bike I've ever had but the best handling, most fun, and definitely good looking. It's my favorite bike I've had. Also special to me because it's the one I got to end my own 10 year break from riding.

With that budget, keep your eyes open. I look at a friend's $1200 specialized and cringe. Heavy, aluminum, chunky wheels, Sora. I got a lot more bike used, not even in the same class.

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Old 07-24-18, 04:30 PM
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$1000 in the used market gets you a ton. You're talking bikes that sold for $3,000-5,000 new. I see no need to pay any more than that myself, that in itself WAY more bike than I will ever be able to make full use of.
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Old 07-24-18, 05:36 PM
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Get info! I just don't know the makes and models of the good performance race steel lugged bikes a from the past. Used is how I got my Quantum Race frame and fork for 160$ but because someone had one and I asked. So I need to be schooled to the market to buy used. Keep the suggestions coming. The new bike the used ones up against is The Raleigh Grand Prix www.raleighusa.com/grand-prix-27417 checkout the specs let me know what you guys think and how it compares.
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Old 07-24-18, 05:42 PM
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Hey, that's not lugged, is it? You're really limiting yourself by going only with lugged frames. Hardly anything new is lugged anymore.

My understanding is that non-lugged joints are as strong or stronger than lugs these days, so few builders use them any more.
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Old 07-24-18, 05:48 PM
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I'm about 5'11.5 so I ride 55cm-57cm.
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Old 07-24-18, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte View Post
Hey, that's not lugged, is it? You're really limiting yourself by going only with lugged frames. Hardly anything new is lugged anymore.

My understanding is that non-lugged joints are as strong or stronger than lugs these days, so few builders use them any more.
Lugged fork.
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Originally Posted by rosefarts View Post
I have a steel Tallerico I got on eBay for $1100. It was about 20.5 lbs when I got it. It's now down to 18 lbs with a few changes to the wheels etc.

It's mid 2000 Campy Chorus 10speed. Probably about $5500 new.

Not the absolute lightest bike I've ever had but the best handling, most fun, and definitely good looking. It's my favorite bike I've had. Also special to me because it's the one I got to end my own 10 year break from riding.

With that budget, keep your eyes open. I look at a friend's $1200 specialized and cringe. Heavy, aluminum, chunky wheels, Sora. I got a lot more bike used, not even in the same class.
Purchased new from Jon.



2004 Tallerico = lugged Columbus steel
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Old 07-24-18, 06:07 PM
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You don't have to reinvent the wheel. Just search ebay for steel bikes. Do Google searches of reviews of small steel makers. And look around.

A couple words of caution.

- Older bikes have a 126mm rear spacing and newer (late 90's I think) are 130. You can stretch / cold set steel but if I were you, I'd just get one that fits modern hubs.

- 1" forks. Many really good bikes have them if they are older. Mine does. You run into trouble if the previous owner cut the steerer shorter than you want. I wanted my stem about 1" higher than it was. High rise stems are hideous. My options were to get my fine Columbus steel fork sleeved and an extension welded on (I will have this done some time) or ????

You see, there are precious few 1" carbon forks for sale new. I didn't want a used one. This left me with Nashbar (very low end, heavier than my steel fork), a sort of heavy (490g) all carbon Hylix fork (Chinabomb), or Columbus actually makes a nice carbon fork for 1". I went with the Hylix. It's a lot nicer than expected. Zero complaints actually. Multiple 45-50mph descents too.

That's not the point. Imagine if this year it's so difficult to source a replacement fork. How about next year or the year after that. It truly could become the reason a lot of old high end frames get shelved for good.

Both my good bikes are 1" steel older models. I've done my research and I'm a perpetual tinkerer. I am comfortable dealing with it. If you're not, consider what replacing a fork (whether for wreck or comfort) will entail.

Most stuff newer than 2005 is 1 and 1/8 and there are more options in that size than anything else on the market.
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Also, the more you know, the less you need to rely on brand names, and are able to spot something that's really nice, even if it's not a brand you're familiar with.

I don't know if you'd be slumming riding a Lemond, but I like those a lot. Not lugged though.
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Old 07-24-18, 06:14 PM
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I think mine is maybe a year older than yours. Not sure. I was told this particular bike was Jon's replication of Bayliss geometry. Absolutely love it!!

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Originally Posted by The Piper View Post
Lugged fork.
if a lugged fork is your threshold, then that opens up all city as a good option.
black mountain cycles road frame would work at your budget of you built it.

...or just install a Soma Tange infinity fork onto whatever frame you want.


oh- that Raleigh you linked is a breakaway frame. You want that?
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Last year, I got a used Gunnar Roadie that has Ultegra 10 speed and Chris King hubs for under $1000, its steel but not lugged.
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@The Piper - since you are new and may not have been a lurker.

This is not a lugged steel recommendation, but bikesdirect has a carbon Fuji with Ultegra 11 for $1299, free shipping no tax, assuming lower 48 location. Also a carbon Motobecane with discs and clearance for wide tires with Ultegra. If you can finish the assembly process it may not be a problem. Steel bikes for less so maybe you can get a wheel upgrade.
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If you must have new lugged steel you can buy a brand new Bob Jackson in your exact size. This is the frameset only but you get to pick the colors and everything. I bought a world tourist last year for 850.00 shipped to my house from Leeds England. It would be an awesome bike when you got done
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https://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/product-category/off-the-peg-frames/
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Lugged and budget do not generally go together.
Might be a good requirement to drop especially if the only one you found so far is fork only.
Raleigh Grand Vitesse is another great bike and would be a much better choice than the Grand Prix imo. Right now they are on closeout but only in one size I believe(54)
At $1,099 it is a steal though.
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