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Old 08-21-18, 08:29 AM
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Cat 6 racing at its finest.

Dail it up to 400W, bust your guads, and teach him lesson.
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Old 08-21-18, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post
Just sounds like a couple of people out having fun. No biggie.
Fun? Doesn't sound like the guy trying to pass was having fun. In any event, OP deliberately blocked the path after the fact which means he was in the wrong so the demerit goes to him. I'm pretty sure he already knows that.
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Old 08-21-18, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by blakcloud View Post
You reacted immaturely to a comment, so yes, it wasn't your finest hour.
Really?

it's not lke the OP turned around and smashed the offender in the face---or stuck a pump in his spokes.

He sped up a little. Sounds like good, clean fun. People can play without being jerks. Two guys on bikes wanted to play.

If the OP was at a public basketball court shooting hoops and the other guy said, "You can't score past me," and the OP did ... that would be a low moment? Is not competition the nature and the basis of sport? And then .. is all sport childish and of low morality, to you?

I am not an overly competitive sort on the bike, but I have tried to catch faster riders for the fun of it. The OP didn't shout, scream, didn't try to block the other rider .... all he did was make the other rider work for it if he wanted to pass.

if I were the rider behind, and what i wanted to do was go faster ... I would have had that opportunity. Why would the chasing rider care if there was another rider physically ahead but within eyesight? The chaser wanted to go faster, he had that chance.
Originally Posted by blakcloud View Post
His comment of "pokey" wasn't very considerate.
Nor was it particularly inconsiderate. We are not snowflakes, after all.
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You both were jerks and one does not cancel the other out.
I see a situation where two people rode bicycles in proximity, then one yelled a curse at the other. How were both "jerks"?
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On the other hand what a great story and I am glad you smoked him. Don't beat yourself up over this one, give yourself a pass. Thanks for posting this.
Hypocrite.

Next time you read a story, identify with the OP, and realize you would probably have done the same thing ... don't then pretend to be a "morally more evolved" person ... and if you are going to lie, don't admit later in the post that you are really lying.

Let this be a lesson in humility. Take the higher road and just let the post pass--or be honest and say up front you are glad he "smoked" him. You will be the better person for it.
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Old 08-21-18, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Hopefully you picked up a new Strava PR.
It was a bit windy, so sadly no. lol

Originally Posted by friday1970 View Post
The jerk move was calling you "pokey". A simple "on your left" or even a "after the bridge, mind if I pass?"
But "Pokey?"
Ooh....yeah. I'd done the same thing.
this is what motivated me in the first place. Poor choice of words.....

Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Are you certain that he didn't say "after the bridge I am going to pass you, OK?"
Yes, "Pokey" was defiantly used.

Originally Posted by superpletch View Post
hopefully you signaled before you "veered" off path at full speed, if not that was a a@@hole move. Otherwise it sounds like good clean fun
Yes, I signaled and veered on the right so no impeding at all.

Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
Fun? Doesn't sound like the guy trying to pass was having fun. In any event, OP deliberately blocked the path after the fact which means he was in the wrong so the demerit goes to him. I'm pretty sure he already knows that.
Nope, never blocked the path. Our path is 12 foot wide, he could have passed me if had the power. I still should have just let it go.
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Old 08-21-18, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Are you certain that he didn't say "after the bridge I am going to pass you, OK?"
Nice catch. Given that two guys on mtn bikes are making a fair bit of noise, plus, how hard it is to hear behind you, I'd say this was highly possible, and therefore no more than a misunderstanding. If the guy in back did call the OP "pokey", then he's kinda the jerk here (and his calling the OP an a-hole" for such a non-issue only enhances that verdict). And, at this point the OP obviously wasn't holding up traffic anymore, so the other rider doesn't have a leg to stand on.
In my younger, more competitive days, I would've likely done what the OP did, and not out of any malice, just competitive fun. These days I probably would've slowed down, moved to the side, and given the guy a wave-around even before getting to the bridge.
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Old 08-21-18, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wipekitty View Post
As long as you didn't endanger any runners/walkers/small children/dogs/turtles/squirrels, I think you're good.

It sounds like the other guy enjoyed the chase.
I put nobody on the trail at risk, would never do that. We have enough of those guys on the trail

Originally Posted by REDMASTA View Post
Was this an off-road bike trail or a bike/walk/run paved path.
all paved

Originally Posted by BirdsBikeBinocs View Post
I would have replied.... Okay buddy, pass me if you can.
I didn't think that quick enough, I should have!

Originally Posted by DanBraden View Post
Heh heh heh! More fun than I have on a typical ride!

Bonus points for keeping him back there! He challenged you so it's not unreasonable to assume he was going to try to pass you as soon as he could and you rose above it!

So he was on you the whole time after the bridge or did you gap him? Just trying to judge whether or not he caught drift that "it was on"!

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After the bridge I took off, he caught up to my wheel and every time he pulled off my wheel to go around he just couldn't get enough speed to go by. He would drop back and then try again. It was windy so on a normal day I think he would have taken me maybe. I never cut him off or blocked him, he had the room to go by. I just rode straight and as fast as I had it in me.

Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Reminded me of this experience I had:

Fred Tried to Shake Me on the MUP
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Old 08-21-18, 09:20 AM
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Old 08-21-18, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
are you certain that he didn't say "after the bridge i am going to pass you, ok?"
ftw!
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Old 08-21-18, 09:29 AM
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On my next couple of rides if I see him I will try to talk to him. I see him often so shouldn't be hard.

My wife says its funny, but she is kind of cruel person! LOL

In the end yes, it was a bunch of fun, but I will leave this kind of silliness to somebody else unless the challenge is agreed upon prior to the fun.

He defiantly said "Pokey" He was right behind me when he said it. In my mind it was game on as soon as he spewed that word!
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Possibly...

great flick!
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Old 08-21-18, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sdmc530 View Post
On my next couple of rides if I see him I will try to talk to him. I see him often so shouldn't be hard.

My wife says its funny, but she is kind of cruel person! LOL

In the end yes, it was a bunch of fun, but I will leave this kind of silliness to somebody else unless the challenge is agreed upon prior to the fun.

He defiantly said "Pokey" He was right behind me when he said it. In my mind it was game on as soon as he spewed that word!
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Old 08-21-18, 09:48 AM
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I probably would have taken it as a challenge if I knew the guy like you did as well. Its sometimes nice to have a carrot to chase after. I don't know why he called you out after leaving. Since you know him, just ask next time you see him and apologize if he took it the wrong way.
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Old 08-21-18, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dudelsack View Post
Cat 6 racing at its finest.

Dail it up to 400W, bust your guads, and teach him lesson.
totally agree. OP rightfully and deservedly claimed the Cat 6 mup racing green jersey.
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Old 08-21-18, 09:57 AM
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Sounds like good clean fun (no sarcasm) until the other guy called you an a-hole. He could have just said " great run- thanks ! "

I too would do what you plan to do - catch him later and try to become friends. Maybe both of you can laugh it off over a beer some day . . . .

If he wants to remain enemies, then he is indeed the jerk.
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Old 08-21-18, 10:22 AM
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George Carlin said something about drivers — 'Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?'
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Old 08-21-18, 10:24 AM
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Joggers are present, so MUP.

I'm going with option 3..........both riders were turds.

Why? I used to race around on my own along the really long greenways here. Like, averaging 20mph for 30 to 40mi. All sorts of bridges and tighty bendy corners too. Blind corners. Once or twice I came around a corner and someone wasn't where I'd expect someone.

The other reason, kids. I started riding with my kids on MUP's and for the most part they stay right and do what they should. But, kids also meander and don't react as quick as others do.

Also, they come out of the darnest places you'd never expect. So, I decided to call it quits. I may turn it up to 11 when going up a hill where I won't top 15mph anyway.

A bunch of grown men farting around racing on MUPs need to at least move it up to the no-drop C group ride and then challenge each other up a hill.

I think it took the cake around here when people started bragging about pace-lining the MUP to go grap KOMs. Same people who do MUP "racing" don't have the guts to ride the A-group or hammer ride.
If I'm on an easy roll, I take the cross bike with knobbies out and just cruise. I tone down the kit to look incognito and not attract any "crazy".

But, be assured I'll wear the polka dots to the hammer ride. If someone yelled at me on an MUP during a recovery ride, I'd probably respond "Como que???"
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Old 08-21-18, 10:29 AM
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For the life of me I can't imagine why you feel even the slightest bit of regret about what you did. He called you names, and lacked the legs to make it stick. And then cussed at you some more.

"Thanks for the draft" would have been a much more amusing thing to say but he took the low road.
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Old 08-21-18, 10:38 AM
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If you're guilty, I've been there too. I once had a woman look down at me on my lowacer and remark, "it must be awful to not be able to climb hills." Believe me, it was GAME ON at that point. She relied on her male companions to keep up while they chased me at 25-30 mph for the next 10 flat miles, then I dropped them all on the first hill we came to.
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Old 08-21-18, 11:00 AM
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I think it's one of those things that happen in the moment. Given a slightly different demeanor, the other rider could have just laughed it off and made a compliment to you at the end, maybe with a little snideness in it. And both of you enjoyed the impromptu competition. However, lacking his input on the events, it still seems he was a little more of a jerk, though I think testosterone levels were rising in both of you and jerk can be applied to actions on both sides.

If I had been that person behind you, I would have enjoyed the brief competition. Riding alone can be boring sometimes. Maybe the other guy had some fancy workout set up in his bike computer and you ruined his intervals or something.
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Old 08-21-18, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Are you certain that he didn't say "after the bridge I am going to pass you, OK?"
My thought exactly.
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Old 08-21-18, 11:09 AM
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Not a jerk move, IMO. As long as you are riding safely, do what you want.

But I don't think I have ever altered my ride because of another rider's attitude, and hope I never would do so.
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Old 08-21-18, 11:18 AM
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I think as soon as he used the epithet "pokey," the game was on. I'd likely have done the same thing, thinking, "we'll see who's pokey." If I were trying to get by, I'd just ask, "mind if I go around after the bridge?" I never belittle someone else's riding speed on a trail or in a group. His parting comment was uncalled for, though.

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Old 08-21-18, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
Joggers are present, so MUP.

I'm going with option 3..........both riders were turds.
We judge ourselves as we judge others.

I ride an MUP sometimes ... actually a couple. On one of them a couple months ago I chased a faster rider for several miles. I went about as fast as I could ... . slightly faster than a legless gerbil, but faster than a walker.

There were no blind turns, and when we passed pedestrians or when we came to cross streets we both slowed and proceeded cautiously. We then both sped up and went as fast as we could. Totally safe, totally fun.

For all anyone knows, these two doing a straight shot with no blind corners and didn't see, let alone pass a single slower rider, walker, or jogger.

Someone who wants to condemn these two for doing something they might not have done is just someone who is looking for anyone to dump ion, in order to feel superior.
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Not a jerk move in the least unless you endangered some other users of the path. And I gather from your description you didn't.

The other guy issued the challenge and insulted you, 9 times out of 10 I'm going to 'drope the hamer' in the same situation and just see who's pokey.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
We judge ourselves as we judge others.

I ride an MUP sometimes ... actually a couple. On one of them a couple months ago I chased a faster rider for several miles. I went about as fast as I could ... . slightly faster than a legless gerbil, but faster than a walker.

There were no blind turns, and when we passed pedestrians or when we came to cross streets we both slowed and proceeded cautiously. We then both sped up and went as fast as we could. Totally safe, totally fun.

For all anyone knows, these two doing a straight shot with no blind corners and didn't see, let alone pass a single slower rider, walker, or jogger.

Someone who wants to condemn these two for doing something they might not have done is just someone who is looking for anyone to dump ion, in order to feel superior.
Nope, I get this concern. There was very few people on the trail when we were "racing". I would have never even done this on the MUP with lots of people and such. It can be unpredictable on the MUP on weekends. that is why you don't ride it on weekends. Our trails are really nice and very few blind corners and such. I am fortunate to have a city who invests well in a great trail system. We even have the fancy sweeper and jet blowers on the trail every other day cleaning.

Just never had this type situation happen before. I hang on a wheel and people hang on me but usually there is communication with riders. This was just an out of the blue deal.
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