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Old 09-03-18, 08:08 PM
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Shoot out his tires. Those nail devices that move a nail from a magazine to a barrel and from the barrel move quickly out towards whatever you are intending to nail because saying the dirty G word is verbotten would be an excellent choice. You could just say you are a roofer and it went off.

Though videos are the popular thing these days with the youtubin' and the instanttelegrams the kids are all about.
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Originally Posted by Caliper View Post
It's the IC engine version of an e-bike, it should be allowed wherever bikes go right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped
Ummm... no. Pedals are secondary and usually aren't used for other than starting a moped. Typically the gear ratio is too high to actually ride, like in bicycle terms; 1/3. They are also fairly heavy, typically being 70lbs or so...
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Sorry, I've always used the word "moped" for any bike with pedals and a gas motor. I see a "moped" is actually a scooter. The ones I see, including this morning, are all bikes equipped with gas motors that make them much faster and heavier than your average sidewalk biker. Not really a "moped," but still not something that should be on the sidewalk.
A moped is not a scooter. It's more closer to motorcycles than scooters. Moped is an anagram; MOtorized PEDal cycle. A scooter is a small to large displacement motorbike with an underbone frame you step through. Examples of scooters are Taotao Quantums, Honda Ruckus, Yamaha Morpheous, Suzuki Burgman. Examples of mopeds are Kinetic TFR, Garelli Super Sport, Suzuki QA50, Vespa Caio, AMF Roadmaster. They are all 2 stroke with single variated, dual variated, single speed, two speed auto, two speed semi-manual, started primarily with the pedals and are typically 6volt systems. Calling a scooter a moped is like calling a track bike a beach crauiser because they're both typically single speeds.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
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  2. Report to the police
  3. Post video on youtube

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Almost perfect. @TimothyH (I assume) figured that step 4--"Spray the loser with bear spray"---was a given and didn't need to be listed.
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Originally Posted by scratchpaddy View Post
My town has conflicting laws on what does and doesn't need registration. A "moped" is 50cc or under, goes 25mph or less, and requires registration and insurance. A "motorized bike" is 48cc or under, goes 20mph or less, and doesn't require anything. Nobody registers or plates anything regardless. Yes, motoring on the sidewalk is illegal. No, the police won't go out of their way to catch people doing it.

I think "let it go" like Ivy first said is the best advice, which I'm happy to do. But, this particular person seems like one of those man-children who never grew out of the "you can't tell me what to do" phase. I've seen him before, and I'm sure I'll see him again. I'm worried he might go out of his way to invade my space on the sidewalk now.

I did file a police report in case things escalate, but the officer said "there's nothing we can do," as I expected.

@jefnvk , it's a narrow sidewalk next to a busy road with good bike lanes. He rides for miles all on the sidewalk, not just coasting up to park somewhere.

@livedarklions , I'm more worried about the dogs than I am about myself, if he decides he wants to run one of us over.
You are the one that caused the confrontation by ‘standing your ground’
You blocked the sidewalk.
You then escalated it further by telling him to get off the sidewalk.
You wanted a battle so you started a battle and now out of nowhere you have determined that he might want to run over your dogs?
You clearly have issues
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being a vigilante is not needed when other indirect means can usually yield a better solution with less of a negative outcome for the offended party.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Almost perfect. @TimothyH (I assume) figured that step 4--"Spray the loser with bear spray"---was a given and didn't need to be listed.
I hope whatever you are going through passes and that you find some peace.


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Old 09-04-18, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post

You are the one that caused the confrontation by ‘standing your ground’
You blocked the sidewalk.
You then escalated it further by telling him to get off the sidewalk.
You wanted a battle so you started a battle and now out of nowhere you have determined that he might want to run over your dogs?
You clearly have issues

BS.

The moped rider was on the sidewalk illegally, and essentially demanded implicitly that pedestrians who are there legally get off of the sidewalk so that the illegal moped operation could continue uninterrupted.
There's a world of difference between being justifiably angry and "having issues" The moped rider was grossly violating safety laws and norms, what he is doing is actually quite dangerous. Telling him to stop and refusing to move seems pretty damn reasonable. Physically attacking him or the like would not.

If you think running a motorized vehicle illegally on a sidewalk isn't confronting the pedestrians on that sidewalk, you clearly have issues of your own.
As for fear for the dogs being reasonable, you and I weren't there to see how the moped rider was acting, so our opinions are absurdly uninformed.
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Old 09-04-18, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post

You are the one that caused the confrontation by ‘standing your ground’
You blocked the sidewalk.
You then escalated it further by telling him to get off the sidewalk.
You wanted a battle so you started a battle and now out of nowhere you have determined that he might want to run over your dogs?
You clearly have issues
You clearly want an internet fight. I was on a narrow sidewalk and did not jump out of the way for someone illegally driving down it. Yes, I confronted him, because I'd rather not have to deal with that crap when I'm out walking the dogs. No, it wasn't the smartest thing to do. People aren't smart when they're mad.

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being a vigilante is not needed when other indirect means can usually yield a better solution with less of a negative outcome for the offended party.
That's my takeaway from this experience. A thoughtful, helpful point. Ironic, coming from someone with your username.

To everyone else who made helpful, non-violent suggestions, thanks. I haven't seen the guy again, so maybe it doesn't matter.
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Old 09-04-18, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
BS.

The moped rider was on the sidewalk illegally, and essentially demanded implicitly that pedestrians who are there legally get off of the sidewalk so that the illegal moped operation could continue uninterrupted.
There's a world of difference between being justifiably angry and "having issues" The moped rider was grossly violating safety laws and norms, what he is doing is actually quite dangerous. Telling him to stop and refusing to move seems pretty damn reasonable. Physically attacking him or the like would not.

If you think running a motorized vehicle illegally on a sidewalk isn't confronting the pedestrians on that sidewalk, you clearly have issues of your own.
As for fear for the dogs being reasonable, you and I weren't there to see how the moped rider was acting, so our opinions are absurdly uninformed.
”essentially demanded implicitly”
You lost me after that ridiculous string of words.
Read my post. It is factual based upon the OP’s statement.
Your post on the other hand is pure conjecture.
Good job
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Originally Posted by scratchpaddy View Post
You clearly want an internet fight. I was on a narrow sidewalk and did not jump out of the way for someone illegally driving down it. Yes, I confronted him, because I'd rather not have to deal with that crap when I'm out walking the dogs. No, it wasn't the smartest thing to do. People aren't smart when they're mad.

That's my takeaway from this experience. A thoughtful, helpful point. Ironic, coming from someone with your username.

To everyone else who made helpful, non-violent suggestions, thanks. I haven't seen the guy again, so maybe it doesn't matter.

Just my 2 cents--I think the way you handled it was fine, and miles away from vigilantism. It's possible that enough people acting this way has made sidewalk riding so inconvenient that he actually has stopped doing it.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post

”essentially demanded implicitly”
You lost me after that ridiculous string of words.
Read my post. It is factual based upon the OP’s statement.
Your post on the other hand is pure conjecture.
Good job
So let me get this straight--your idiotic point is that riding a vehicle straight down the sidewalk at a pedestrian is not an implicit demand that the pedestrian get out of the way? And no, no conjecture is needed to come to that conclusion--the OP clearly states the moped had to swerve to narrowly avoid hitting him.

As usual, you pick fights with no knowledge or sense.
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Old 09-04-18, 09:09 AM
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Just my 2 cents--I think the way you handled it was fine, and miles away from vigilantism. It's possible that enough people acting this way has made sidewalk riding so inconvenient that he actually has stopped doing it.
That was my hope. If everyone meekly gets out of his way, he'll think it's OK. I haven't seen him since, period. Not on the road or sidewalk. Maybe he changed his route, or maybe it's a coincidence of timing.

And I appreciate the support, but don't feed the troll.
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Originally Posted by scratchpaddy View Post
And I appreciate the support, but don't feed the troll.
No problem--both as a pedestrian and a cyclist, I definitely believe that not taking stuff meekly is important. As a cyclist, I believe that courtesy to pedestrians should be observed at all times, and sidewalks are for walking and kids. The only motorized vehicles that should be there are devices for disabled people.
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This whole affair is an offense to wisdom and reason.
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This whole affair is an offense to wisdom and reason.
By "this whole affair" do you mean BikeForum? Or Western Uncivilization?
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Originally Posted by Jax Rhapsody View Post
Ummm... no. Pedals are secondary and usually aren't used for other than starting a moped. Typically the gear ratio is too high to actually ride, like in bicycle terms; 1/3. They are also fairly heavy, typically being 70lbs or so...
This is also the case for some versions of e-bike. Did you not look at the wikipedia link and see where mopeds started? I really don't see "e-bikes" as any different from a moped, especially since MOtor PEDaler doesn't specify what sort of motor is being used. As batteries improve, I see no reason why e-bikes wouldn't follow the same development path as IC mopeds have.
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Originally Posted by scratchpaddy View Post
That was my hope. If everyone meekly gets out of his way, he'll think it's OK. I haven't seen him since, period. Not on the road or sidewalk. Maybe he changed his route, or maybe it's a coincidence of timing.

And I appreciate the support, but don't feed the troll.
No trolling here. You started a confrontation and based upon your own words got more than you could handle because you said that you filed a police report. I believe you also stated that they didn’t do anything about it. I wonder why
You also stated that you are worried about you and/or your dogs getting run over by a moped.
Good stuff.
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This is also the case for some versions of e-bike. Did you not look at the wikipedia link and see where mopeds started? I really don't see "e-bikes" as any different from a moped, especially since MOtor PEDaler doesn't specify what sort of motor is being used. As batteries improve, I see no reason why e-bikes wouldn't follow the same development path as IC mopeds have.

Call them what you want, neither of them should be ridden on sidewalks. It's going to be questions of size, speed and weight that are going to be important in determining whether the vehicle should be allowed on a bike path or bike lane, not the nature of the fuel.

I'm starting to see some very heavy pedal assisted delivery vehicles on bike paths that would definitely be too heavy to pedal unassisted. Getting bumped by something that heavy in the realative close confines of a path is a pretty scary prospect.
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Call them what you want, neither of them should be ridden on sidewalks.
100% agree. I think that the e-bike should be treated more like a motor vehicle than it is now, not that IC mopeds should be treated more like bikes.

It's going to be questions of size, speed and weight that are going to be important in determining whether the vehicle should be allowed on a bike path or bike lane, not the nature of the fuel.

I'm starting to see some very heavy pedal assisted delivery vehicles on bike paths that would definitely be too heavy to pedal unassisted. Getting bumped by something that heavy in the relative close confines of a path is a pretty scary prospect.
That's a very good point. But how do tandems (human powered only of course) figure into this?
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this reminds me of a silly bumper sticker I saw once that said "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I'M DRIVING THEN GET OFF THE SIDEWALK!"
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That's a very good point. But how do tandems (human powered only of course) figure into this?

Wow, good question. Interesting that didn't even occur to me, they definitely don't make me nervous and now I need to think about why.

Part of it is speed, I've never seen anyone riding tandems fast on a path, but I also think it's the shape of the vehicle. Some of these motor assist delivery vehicles are getting really wide, and most paths are pretty narrow, with a lot of bits sticking out wider than the rider. I'm nervous about getting side-swiped by something like that, whereas I think that's a somewhat unlikely scenario for a tandem. I also think tandems are hard enough to ride that there isn't likely to be a drastic increase in their numbers, where I just think we're seeing the leading edge of a trend towards motorized electric bikes. As the motors get better and better, we can also expect the weight of the vehicles to continue to go up, while tandems will generally stay the same as they are now.
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Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rider View Post
this reminds me of a silly bumper sticker I saw once that said "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I'M DRIVING THEN GET OFF THE SIDEWALK!"
or better yet "IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I'M DRIVING THEN FIND YOUR OWN MUP!"
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By "this whole affair" do you mean BikeForum? Or Western Uncivilization?

We don’t want to reframe the problem too narrowly, do we?
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  1. Take video
  2. Report to the police
  3. Post video on youtube

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What would Step 3 accomplish?
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
  1. Take video
  2. Report to the police
  3. Post video on youtube

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Also, send a note to the local prosecutor and several local attorneys saying "You may be dealing with this guy in a tort suit or criminal case if he hurts someone by illegally riding on the sidewalk - let me know if you need a witness to the fact that he's demonstrated contempt for the safety of others".

May be illegal to publish the video. As I understand it, you are perfectly within your rights to record the video, but there are restrictions on publishing without the subject's permission. Forum members who are lawyers can comment. I'm not. See https://www.quora.com/Is-it-illegal-...t-them-knowing
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