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Old 08-31-18, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pillows_ View Post
about 5-6 feet. Just enough for a pick up truck/utility vehicle
If it could accommodate a truck there should have beenmaybe 7 feet. If it was good for a Sweepster or other golf-carty thing, it could have been as narrow as 5 feet. Let's just assume it was 6 feet.

So you said they didn't go singlefile or squeeze together until there was 50 feet of clearance. But at that time they did do so, and if they squeezed together three feet should have been enough space to contain them briefly, leaving you your full three-foot share of the park path. So the only problem is that they didn't do it soon enough in your opinion, because of what you felt are other hazards on the road: pavement edge, soft tar, and whatever else you mentioned. And I agree that some other cyclists might not have handled themselves well in this situation. I don't think that situation is necessarily related to age (or the wearing of kit!).

For them not to yield earlier is discourteous at worst. But you could have briefly taken your edge of the path and not forced them to narrow up. You needed not much more than 12 inches of ground track width to do that, leaving them 5 feet in which to pass you in comfort, not interrupting their conversation in that brief time. If you did not yield, was that not discourteous, as well?
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Old 08-31-18, 08:41 PM
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i can understand the width issues, especially if one or more of the riders are on a flatbar that is usually 26" wide. Most paths are not kept up & are degrading badly making sections of the usable width very iffy to use for passing.
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Old 08-31-18, 09:37 PM
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You already know what imma say !!!! If you dont then how bout this ...... Reverse it.... what do i do when im going 30mph plus on the path and i come across some normies riding three wide in my lane head onn. Or some olderly folks riding in both lanes
or a dog walker with a million foot leash letting their dog circum navigate the bike path . im mean just today i had to bail onto the grass due to an idiot parent letting there kid ride into oncoming traffic at dusk no lights or freekin reflectors . you think you got it bad pssssf thats ...nothing .....
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Old 08-31-18, 10:14 PM
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The worst combination is two guys and a girl riding side-by-side toward you. Neither of the guys can give an inch because that would mean yielding the girl to the other.
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Old 09-01-18, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pillows_ View Post
Jersey, spandex, shoes/socks, gloves, helmet, shades, flashy bike

I brought that up because when I see people dressed like that not giving others enough space when passing, I get the impression they feel entitled to more room because they are a more serious rider and their workout is paramount
What impression do you get when people on non-flashy bikes (whatever they are) not dressed like that do what you are complaining about, because I see it all the time? Or are you just trolling to incite class warfare?
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Old 09-01-18, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by pillows_ View Post
But anyway, Im over it. I was annoyed for about 30 seconds and got re-annoyed reliving the moment while writing this thread. Just wanted to share my feelings about riding side by side on a somewhat narrow path.

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This is the key.

Every day, over-sensitive people get annoyed by little things. Some of them deal with those things internally, some vent on forums, some start their own non-profits aimed at eradicating whatever wadded up their panties for all of three seconds, once, three years ago ....

I think if the OP had not come across as if he were still insanely outraged three hours later at a three-second encounter, and also had not indulged his biases about riders in kit .... this whole thread would have been much more collegial.

If the OP had started out saying he was briefly annoyed ... and had not poured the emotion into the thread (good communications skills by the way, OP---you definitely made everyone feel your ire) he would not have gotten such strong reactions.

We all irritate each other in dozens of ways all day long ... and we generally roll right over it, because feeding That beast leads to ... this. And threads like this lead to people shooting up grocery stores because someone bumped someone;s cart. Let's not go there.

As for riders in kit ... yeah, Some of them do ride on MUPs at 25 mph and think it is their "right" ("No law against it" (in fact a lot of states have speed limits on MUPs,)) but on Every roadway at ALL times operators are required to use car and cation appropriate to the conditions ... and if a rider came around a corner on a wet road and nearly hit a family ... obviously that operator was going to o fast for prevailing conditions.

But ... in my observation, it is the riders on Walmart Magna mountain bikes with grocery bags hanging off the handlebars who are the least aware of their surroundings and most likely to meander across the full width of the path, most likely to be going the wrong way in a dedicated bike lane, and to be the least aware and the least concerned about the hazards they present. But I don't get all PO'd ... and also they are generally moving pretty slowly, if unsteadily, so i can dodge them in time ... even if they are around a corner on the wrong side of the road.
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Old 09-01-18, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Teamprovicycle View Post
You already know what imma say !!!! If you dont then how bout this ...... Reverse it.... what do i do when im going 30mph plus on the path and i come across some normies riding three wide in my lane head onn. Or some olderly folks riding in both lanes
or a dog walker with a million foot leash letting their dog circum navigate the bike path . im mean just today i had to bail onto the grass due to an idiot parent letting there kid ride into oncoming traffic at dusk no lights or freekin reflectors . you think you got it bad pssssf thats ...nothing .....
If you are doing 30mph plus on a MUP, you are part of the problem...
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Old 09-01-18, 06:37 AM
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I, too, get annoyed at oncoming riders that ride 2 and 3 abreast, sometimes into the opposite lane. I try to tell myself to be mellow, knowing that there is plenty of room for all of us (except when I am on my trike) and just move to the right a bit more. It's just not worth getting all twisted about; however sometimes there just is not enough room, either because of stuff on the trail, or other trail users so I tend to hold my line or even move more to the center, not to play "chicken", but as non-verbal communication that the oncoming riders really need to compress. We all have the responsibility for safe use of the trails and it's unfortunate that some users are a bit too self-absorbed.
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Old 09-01-18, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Thanks for clarifying what this whole thing is about.

You have no idea what they feel or what they are thinking.


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Maybe not thinking, but they're feeling breathable stretchy fabric.
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Old 09-01-18, 10:27 AM
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When I see them coming like that I move as far to the right as I can. That is no more difficult for me to do than it is for me to give bicyclists a wide berth when I encounter them in my car.
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Old 09-01-18, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pillows_ View Post
Every so often I'll ride past a couple guys, or girls, riding 18-20+ mph side by side on a bike path with oncoming traffic coming right for them. Im pretty comfortable on my bike, but I can imagine some newer or more elderly riders getting nervous in a situation like this trying to squeeze all 3 riders in. Just today I had two guys with the full kit on, going 15-20mph coming right at me (going about the same speed) and didnt bother to go single file or at least squeeze together until they were just 50 feet in front of me. TBH it pisses me off. Is it that much of an inconvenience for one rider to fall back and go single file for 10 seconds, or am I just the nicest guy on the planet for wanting to make my fellow riders to be as comfortable as possible?
If I let that get under my skin, I'd stay pissed off all the time. Situations and surroundings vary, but most of the time riding side by side isn't all that big a deal.
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Old 09-01-18, 12:18 PM
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Be prepared to go to single file when needed..
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Old 09-01-18, 12:19 PM
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i try my best to rip a loud fart as those road hoggers roll past. one of these days tho, it'll end up as a shart & that'll just be a crappy ride.
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Old 09-01-18, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by one4smoke View Post
If I let that get under my skin, I'd stay pissed off all the time. Situations and surroundings vary, but most of the time riding side by side isn't all that big a deal.
If there's plenty of room, it's fine. But I have been in a lot of situations where I'd either have to go into a ditch or plow into someone else. At that point I start yelling, and it seems to work.
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the thing that aggravates me is when several are walking on the bike path and they stay in the middle and barely move when they know I / we are coming. Or younger people again walking on the bike path more engrossed on the cell phone than where they are walking.
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Old 09-01-18, 08:03 PM
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Two guys side by side

Bulk up...or get out of the way. Law of the jungle. I also give cars a wide berth, right or wrong they donít feel a thing
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Old 09-01-18, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
If there's plenty of room, it's fine. But I have been in a lot of situations where I'd either have to go into a ditch or plow into someone else. At that point I start yelling, and it seems to work.
Exactly. The working solution is ridiculously simple.

I might not Want to yell at people ... but if the options are wreck myself, wreck myself and them, or yelling ... no choice to make really. I will end up yelling if I crash anyway, so ....

No need for lingering angst ... I might feel a little uneasy for a few seconds, but so long as I yell to warn and not out of irritation .... everything is alright. pedal on.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
Wifey & I will do it if no one is in sight. as soon as we see other ppl we got single file. but mostly, we ride single file regardless, it's just easier
Same here. Just being considerate to others.
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Originally Posted by pillows_ View Post
Every so often I'll ride past a couple guys, or girls, riding 18-20+ mph side by side on a bike path with oncoming traffic coming right for them. Im pretty comfortable on my bike, but I can imagine some newer or more elderly riders getting nervous in a situation like this trying to squeeze all 3 riders in. Just today I had two guys with the full kit on, going 15-20mph coming right at me (going about the same speed) and didnt bother to go single file or at least squeeze together until they were just 50 feet in front of me. TBH it pisses me off. Is it that much of an inconvenience for one rider to fall back and go single file for 10 seconds, or am I just the nicest guy on the planet for wanting to make my fellow riders to be as comfortable as possible?
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JFC, cyclists are whiny twats.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Exactly. The working solution is ridiculously simple.

I might not Want to yell at people ... but if the options are wreck myself, wreck myself and them, or yelling ... no choice to make really. I will end up yelling if I crash anyway, so ....

No need for lingering angst ... I might feel a little uneasy for a few seconds, but so long as I yell to warn and not out of irritation .... everything is alright. pedal on.
By the way, I've discovered that yelling works with squirrels and flocks of wild turkeys as well.
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Another them vs. us/me thread.

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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Thanks for clarifying what this whole thing is about.

You have no idea what they feel or what they are thinking.


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Nobody has any idea what a passing stranger is feeling or thinking but everybody can and will make certain assumptions based upon appearance/clothing/gear. This holds true for cycling, running, business, everything.
OP is certainly allowed to make judgements based upon appearance and his assertion that the two riders were not sharing the space.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
What does what they are wearing have to do with anything?


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Rhetorical question?
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This might fit better in 50+.

Lots of threads about Grumpy Old Men, yelling at clouds, cursing the dirt, full kit cyclists, what-if this / what-if that, somebodyís gonna get hit/hurt/pissed-off.

Granny had an expression = better pissed off, than pissed on.

We are all dealing with the vast public. Some are reckless with their bikes, some donít control the dog on a leash, some let kids romp where they shouldnít. Itís life.

edit: on busier bikeways around here, 2 abreast (and chatting away - another annoyance) is the norm when there is only 1 oncoming cyclist. Donít move to a larger cycling city, a person might stay permanently negative on cyclistís behavior.

I drive a 2 lane Hwys where cars go 55mph, if someone screws up thatís 110 relative speed for a big crash. Life is risky.
Don't get me started, I was in the supermarket just the other day, one women with her dog under her arm, another with an out of control kid yelling for candy in the next isle.
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If you are doing 30mph plus on a MUP, you are part of the problem...
No its not. Its a mile long open stretch and I feel the need for speed. Seriously, if nobody's next to you what does it matter?
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Nobody has any idea what a passing stranger is feeling or thinking but everybody can and will make certain assumptions based upon appearance/clothing/gear. This holds true for cycling, running, business, everything.
OP is certainly allowed to make judgements based upon appearance and his assertion that the two riders were not sharing the space.
That's a part of human nature. What you wear says a lot about you. In this case, he was correct.
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Bulk up...or get out of the way. Law of the jungle. I also give cars a wide berth, right or wrong they donít feel a thing
It will hurt you worse than me.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
. Seriously, if nobody's next to you what does it matter?
If you read the post I actually quoted (it wasnít yours...) you might have a different opinion...
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