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Old 09-21-18, 10:48 PM
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Custom 'Urban Grinder' Ti frame input wanted

Im having a custom bike built since what i want isnt on the market.

This is what im coining as a 'urban grinder'. Meant to ride at high speeds easily as well as take routes off limits to a standard road bike. 650b and 200mm travel dropper seat post.

What are your thoughts on the geometry, and the durability of an all road carbon fork jumping 2ft on 650b 47c tires?
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Old 09-21-18, 11:58 PM
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Jumping 2 feet? On a rigid frame/carbon fork? Maybe on a fatbike...
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Never have too many bikes.
1 to do it all is tough.
you might be happier in the long run
with 2
a light weight roady/gravel grinder/cycling-cross type & a mt bike.

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Originally Posted by bogydave View Post
Never have too many bikes.
1 to do it all is tough.
you might be happier in the long run
with 2
a light weight roady/gravel grinder/cycling-cross type & a mt bike.

This is for commuting. The only compromise im making is a dropper post if i was going for a 'roady'.

I have had a 700c road with 28c tires for 6 months for commuting. I hate riding it long periods due to back pain. The bigger tires are to give me the supple life and reduce the shock at the saddle that's causing my discomfort. The roads in my area are rarely smooth.
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Old 09-22-18, 04:29 AM
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I love the awesome looking sloping top tube and the fantastic standover height! All bikes should come with such standover clearance !
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Jumping 2 feet isn't a huge problem. Your tires should be fat enough. Landing it with drop bars is a whole new level though.

It seems that you want a gravel bike with a dropper post. Not the end of the earth Earth as far as custom goes.

Something to keep in mind though. It'll be a little slower than a road bike. Not nearly as nimble as a small framed mountain bike.

So high speed on the road and jumping off loafilo docks. Probably can't have both.
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That's basically a 6550b gravel/bikepacking type bike like the Diamondback Haanjo 5C EXP. That drawing shows generous seat tube clearance with 650/47 tires and short 415mm chainstays. Not sure how realistic that is.
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Originally Posted by Keiffith View Post
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What are your thoughts on the geometry, and the durability of an all road carbon fork jumping 2ft on 650b 47c tires?
You'll snap it. Like a twig. Carbon forks, brand name ones that are CPSC/ASTM approved, even heavily built CX alias "gravel" ones are rated for 6" drops. As a matter of standards this is called ASTM "Condition 2"...you need "Condition 3". Which you'll only find on MTB carbon forks, and as such--you'll need MTB geometry due to the much larger axle-crown.

If you're going to be doing parkour on a bike...you want a steel fork.

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Old 09-22-18, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rosefarts View Post
Jumping 2 feet isn't a huge problem. Your tires should be fat enough. Landing it with drop bars is a whole new level though.

It seems that you want a gravel bike with a dropper post. Not the end of the earth Earth as far as custom goes.

Something to keep in mind though. It'll be a little slower than a road bike. Not nearly as nimble as a small framed mountain bike.

So high speed on the road and jumping off loafilo docks. Probably can't have both.
Its going to weigh less then my current road bike, so i would imagine that it will atleast not be slower than what im used to.

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That's basically a 6550b gravel/bikepacking type bike like the Diamondback Haanjo 5C EXP. That drawing shows generous seat tube clearance with 650/47 tires and short 415mm chainstays. Not sure how realistic that is.
I did think it was a bit short to fit what i want. Ill aak him to verify.

Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
You'll snap it. Like a twig. Carbon forks, brand name ones that are CPSC/ASTM approved, even heavily built CX alias "gravel" ones are rated for 6" drops. As a matter of standards this is called ASTM "Condition 2"...you need "Condition 3". Which you'll only find on MTB carbon forks, and as such--you'll need MTB geometry due to the much larger axle-crown.

If you're going to be doing parkour on a bike...you want a steel fork.
I figured it would survive repeated falls above the 8-6in mark. Thank you for qouting the standards as that's way more helpful then saying just 'it will snap.'
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Old 09-22-18, 11:31 AM
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Whiskey #9 Mountain fork is rated "condition 3":

https://whiskyparts.co/forks/no9_mtn_15mm_fork

If you're getting a custom frame, having the ability to use mountain bike forks might make it more versatile.
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A Cannondale Slate with lefty suspension fork would be a proper bike for the application. Ànd probably cost much less than a custom ti frame.
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Old 09-22-18, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
A Cannondale Slate with lefty suspension fork would be a proper bike for the application. Ànd probably cost much less than a custom ti frame.
Negative, ghostrider. The Lefty Oliver fork on the Slate is only rated to Condition 2 (6-inch drops or less): https://www.cannondale.com/~/media/F...133320_EN.ashx


Whereas their MTB Lefty forks are Condition 3 or 4, depending: https://www.cannondale.com/~/media/F...%20OMS_EN.ashx
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Old 09-22-18, 12:24 PM
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Oh! Titanium fork:

https://www.ticycles.com/store-all/f...ak-29-titanium

You can get that one at a custom length if you don't want MB geometry. $650
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Old 09-22-18, 01:17 PM
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I build my own frames and my current gravel bike is very similar to your design. 415 stays with a 47mm tire and 50/34 chainrings is going to be hard to do, especially in Ti because the stays are usually a larger diameter than steel. I have 420mm stays on mine with 60mm of BB drop and the clearances are close. I am using the Whisky No.9 15mm fork and have ridden some pretty rough terrain and drops with it. I don't think I've done any 2' drops yet, but I wouldn't be afraid to send it with this fork.
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Old 09-22-18, 01:32 PM
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Geometry looks like this Engin bike, which has the Whisky fork.


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Originally Posted by tyrion View Post
Oh! Titanium fork:

https://www.ticycles.com/store-all/f...ak-29-titanium

You can get that one at a custom length if you don't want MB geometry. $650
Thanks. I looked high and low for one to use and couldn't find one. Im thinking it will be an upgrade path.
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I build my own frames and my current gravel bike is very similar to your design. 415 stays with a 47mm tire and 50/34 chainrings is going to be hard to do, especially in Ti because the stays are usually a larger diameter than steel. I have 420mm stays on mine with 60mm of BB drop and the clearances are close. I am using the Whisky No.9 15mm fork and have ridden some pretty rough terrain and drops with it. I don't think I've done any 2' drops yet, but I wouldn't be afraid to send it with this fork.
Im pretty sure your right about the stays.
i have a similiar fork spec'd. Im thinking i can use it and if i encounter enough circumstances where jumping 2ft becomes a regular thing, ill upgrade to Ti

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Geometry looks like this Engin bike, which has the Whisky fork.

Thats close to the SingleBe killer II that I started with.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Negative, ghostrider. The Lefty Oliver fork on the Slate is only rated to Condition 2 (6-inch drops or less): https://www.cannondale.com/~/media/Files/PDF/Dorel/Cannondale/Common/Support/HEADSHOK/LE
Compare a carbon road fork to it.
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
Compare a carbon road fork to it.
Both will fail if faced with the 2ft drops the op wants to do. So neither is really an option.
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It seems there are some bikes on the market which would almost work for the OP .... And if I were going off two-foot drops, I'd want the Ti fork ...

How often do you go off two-foot drops?

You do a style of riding i don't, it's clear. Are you looking for a bike with which you can sensibly, comfortably, efficiently commute and till do urban assault/MTB tricks? Do you really want to grind your Ti frame down curbs, walls, and stair rails?
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Both will fail if faced with the 2ft drops the op wants to do. So neither is really an option.
The videos I've seen of Slates being jumped didn't have forks that failed. And if they do they aren't going to shatter into a thousand pieces.
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OP says he wants a commuter bike, and also the ability to handle 2' drops. That's some commute!

He should be discussing the bike's ability to handle this kind of riding with his frame builder. At any rate, I agree with the various suggestions that he can achieve his objectives at less expense by not going custom. A thought I had is buying a titanium 650 mountain bike from BD and getting a fork from, say, Visago.

But if he wants a custom, that's good too, and you can't really put a value on a custom frame that does exactly what you want it to do. And I speak from complete inexperience, because I've never been able to justify the expense of a custom frame given my average body build.
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Originally Posted by Keiffith View Post
This is for commuting.
its for commuting and you need to jump off 2' cliffs? On a tangent to your original post, we need pics of this commute!

its already been discussed what sort of fork you need. Time to change that geometry to accommodate an mtb fork.

dropper post is a unique request.

please post pics once you have it built! It'll be a very unique bike.
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OP says he wants a commuter bike, and also the ability to handle 2' drops. That's some commute!

He should be discussing the bike's ability to handle this kind of riding with his frame builder. At any rate, I agree with the various suggestions that he can achieve his objectives at less expense by not going custom. A thought I had is buying a titanium 650 mountain bike from BD and getting a fork from, say, Visago.

But if he wants a custom, that's good too, and you can't really put a value on a custom frame that does exactly what you want it to do. And I speak from complete inexperience, because I've never been able to justify the expense of a custom frame given my average body build.
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its for commuting and you need to jump off 2' cliffs? On a tangent to your original post, we need pics of this commute!

its already been discussed what sort of fork you need. Time to change that geometry to accommodate an mtb fork.

dropper post is a unique request.

please post pics once you have it built! It'll be a very unique bike.

I am a full time commuter. If im leaving my apartment, im taking my bike. With the exception if the occasional bar visit.

I have seen opportunities where if my bike was up to it, i could take either a shorter, or atleast more fun route.

2ft is a conservative tollerance. Realistically i only need about a foot, but if i encounter a 2ft drop, id like the peice of mind the bike can handle it.

I looked at my options from both mtb and gravel. Nothing with rival 22 in Ti or steel fit the bill. So rather than throw money at a bike post purchase to make it what i want, id rather spend that amount on custom.

The Ti fork that i can order shorter seams wil fit the bill instead of the awkward drop bar with mtb fork look.
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24 inches isn't much of a jump, especially on 47mm tires. Just be smart and land rear tire first.
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Let's take a look at this Unicorn custom builder and what the builder has in mind:

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