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Flip Flop Rider 10-01-18 08:26 AM

is this a bike shop, and it was shipped directly to you?

avole 10-01-18 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Paul Barnard (Post 20594288)
Thank you for the feedback. I happen to be a big fan of both Aksiums and Gatorskins for where I do most of my riding. I put several thousand miles on a set on the horrible streets of New Orleans and they were still perfectly true when I sold them a week or so ago. The area I ride is a minefield of broken glass and debris. I do not ride without good flat protection, so the tires will have to be replaced.

Here's the email I sent and the manufacturers response.


Jack, I got the bike this evening. I was only able to take it for a quick spin. I think I am going to be really happy with it. I do have a question. When did the wheel spec change from Mavik Aksium and Gatorskins to Shimano RS 11 and Conti Ultra Sports? When I ordered the website still showed Aksium/Gatorskin as the spec.

Paul

Paul,



Thank you for letting me know you got your new bike. We just updated the website, when we had another custom ask about the specs on the bike that were not correct on the new website.

Thanks again for your order and understanding.

Sorry, that is a weak letter. I suspect the people from whom you bought the bike will simply file and forget. Rightly so in my view: you shouldn't use threads in bike forums to try and gain leverage. If there's a problem, you should go straight back to the shop with the bike and point out why you are unhappy, not try and gain support and sympathy on an anonymous forum.

trailangel 10-01-18 09:47 AM

Both cheap and heavy wheelset, with Shimano maybe being 30 grams lighter.
Shimano freehub is better. Mavic freehub will bite the dust.
Search the internet....... many kicking S vs M on this subject.

Paul Barnard 10-01-18 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by avole (Post 20594419)
Sorry, that is a weak letter. I suspect the people from whom you bought the bike will simply file and forget. Rightly so in my view: you shouldn't use threads in bike forums to try and gain leverage. If there's a problem, you should go straight back to the shop with the bike and point out why you are unhappy, not try and gain support and sympathy on an anonymous forum.

One thing I have learned in my 55 years of life is that my first impressions or read isn't always the best. I have learned that there is value to measuring my thoughts against those of other reasonable people. That's why I asked for the thoughts of the community here. I don't intend to even point out the manufacturer in this thread. At this point there is no advantage to doing so. To that end, If I chose to point the manufacturer to this thread it wouldn't be in the name of leverage, but only to show them what other reasonable people think. I ordered directly through the manufacturer not a store.

Here's where I stand. By my best research, Aksiums sell for about $20 more per set when priced at the same vendor. The Gatorskin tire set for $30 more. From a price standpoint I lost about $50 in the transaction. Honestly $50 isn't that important to me. While I prefer Aksiums because I have had great results with them, I am not married to them over the RS11s. A good number of reasonable people have told me that the RS11s are as good or better with performance and or reliability. I will not ride the Ultra Sports on my usual rides. I hate flats. They suck the fun out of a ride. I have to say this too. I am disappointed that the manufacturer knew about the spec change and made no effort to advise me.

Does this sound reasonable? Asking the manufacturer to ship me a pair of Gatorskins. If not, I have to spend an extra $70 bucks or so to get them. Couple that with the $50 loss I suffered with the spec change, and now I am $120 in the hole.

Thanks again for your time and thoughtful feedback.

wphamilton 10-01-18 11:31 AM

I'd rather have the Ultra Sports than Gatorskins, but that's just personal preference. The wheels, I couldn't say. I've read that the RS11's are pretty decent.

Oh, full disclosure, when Bikes Direct sent me the wrong fixed gear bike, I didn't particular care ...

GrainBrain 10-01-18 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Paul Barnard (Post 20594622)

Does this sound reasonable? Asking the manufacturer to ship me a pair of Gatorskins. If not, I have to spend an extra $70 bucks or so to get them. Couple that with the $50 loss I suffered with the spec change, and now I am $120 in the hole.

Thanks again for your time and thoughtful feedback.

I'd press the issue on the gatorskins, since you have a real need for them. Honestly I'd take it up with your credit card, dispute the transaction. It sounds super shady to just say, "oh thanks our website was wrong". I suspect they do not have anymore gatorskins or Aksiums in stock, so I'd insist on a refund that made up the difference. Good luck and hope to see pictures soon!

Paul Barnard 10-01-18 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by GrainBrain (Post 20594678)
I'd press the issue on the gatorskins, since you have a real need for them. Honestly I'd take it up with your credit card, dispute the transaction. It sounds super shady to just say, "oh thanks our website was wrong". I suspect they do not have anymore gatorskins or Aksiums in stock, so I'd insist on a refund that made up the difference. Good luck and hope to see pictures soon!

That's probably what I will do. I will give them an opportunity to make good.

rollagain 10-01-18 12:46 PM

Seller is being evasive with their email response. Try to pry a set of gatorskins out of them. Give them a chance to do that; if they resist, dispute the charge and file a complaint with the BBB.

Danhedonia 10-01-18 01:14 PM

No anonydrama until 100th pos, plz.

BirdsBikeBinocs 10-01-18 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by downhillmaster (Post 20593755)

Did I miss where you referenced that this is a guessing game?
A 3 minute Google search would have answered the questions in your OP and it appears in your own words that you are going to reveal the manufacturer. Who cares and why the drama?


It's his thread. Not yours.

It took you 3 minutes to post to his thread and you added nothing to it.

BaLs 10-01-18 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Paul Barnard (Post 20594288)
Thank you for the feedback. I happen to be a big fan of both Aksiums and Gatorskins for where I do most of my riding. I put several thousand miles on a set on the horrible streets of New Orleans and they were still perfectly true when I sold them a week or so ago. The area I ride is a minefield of broken glass and debris. I do not ride without good flat protection, so the tires will have to be replaced.

Here's the email I sent and the manufacturers response.


Jack, I got the bike this evening. I was only able to take it for a quick spin. I think I am going to be really happy with it. I do have a question. When did the wheel spec change from Mavik Aksium and Gatorskins to Shimano RS 11 and Conti Ultra Sports? When I ordered the website still showed Aksium/Gatorskin as the spec.

Paul

Paul,



Thank you for letting me know you got your new bike. We just updated the website, when we had another custom ask about the specs on the bike that were not correct on the new website.

Thanks again for your order and understanding.


Let them know you are disappointed and they should honor the specs they stated on their website at the time you ordered it.
If they didn't update it on time it is their fault. You ordered the bike based on those specs and expect those exact specs.

They should honor it or refund you the differences in price.

Just my humble opinion.

avole 10-01-18 02:23 PM

Your comments to the suppliers gave no hint of the unhappiness you felt, and the need to post here, rather than contacting them directly with your complaints. There was no need to involve a third party, as in this site. Personally, I'd have called them. Amicable one-to-one contact often works best.

livedarklions 10-01-18 02:39 PM

Having ridden in New Orleans, yeah, you need the Gatorskins, plus the name sounds kind of native to the area. They should make good on the tires.

Paul Barnard 10-01-18 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by avole (Post 20594946)
Your comments to the suppliers gave no hint of the unhappiness you felt,.

That was by design as well. While I was about 99% sure when I placed the order the specs were Aksium/Gatorskin I also wanted to allow that I may have last looked at the specs a day or two prior to my order. I am also the type that if something doesn't sit well with me I give it a little time. In approaching them the way i did, I allowed that I may not have looked at the specs immediately prior to ordering and it gave them a chance to tell me what happened. Now that I am fully aware, and I have bounced my thoughts off of other reasonable bicyclists, I will make contact with them again.

Paul Barnard 10-01-18 03:16 PM

Here is the email I just sent.

Jack, I wanted to give myself a little time to think about your reply before I responded. As crazy as this may sound, the Aksiums and the Gatorskins were a big part of why I ordered the bike. I live and ride in New Orleans. Our streets are horrible. The potholes and debris take a toll on all but the toughest equipment. I am a bike junkie. In order to make room for the Litespeed in my garage I sold another bike. That bike had Aksiums with some 5000 or so miles on them. They were as true as the day I bought them.

Since our last contact I did a little research on the Shimano wheels. While the retail on them is lower than it is on the Aksiums, they are by all accounts good all around wheels...even if they do have that hideous blurple decal on them. I will live with them. I will not ride any tires that don't provide the highest level of flat protection. That leaves me two options. Go out and spend $60-80 on the tires I need or ask you to make good on the spec that was posted on your website. Do you think it is reasonable for me to ask you to ship me the Gatorskins?

Thanks,
Paul

downhillmaster 10-01-18 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by BirdsBikeBinocs (Post 20594861)
It's his thread. Not yours.

It took you 3 minutes to post to his thread and you added nothing to it.

It’s on a public forum. That makes it everyone’s thread.
You seem concerned about adding content to the thread yet you added nothing.
Good stuff :rolleyes:

downhillmaster 10-01-18 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Paul Barnard (Post 20595021)
That was by design as well. While I was about 99% sure when I placed the order the specs were Aksium/Gatorskin I also wanted to allow that I may have last looked at the specs a day or two prior to my order. I am also the type that if something doesn't sit well with me I give it a little time. In approaching them the way i did, I allowed that I may not have looked at the specs immediately prior to ordering and it gave them a chance to tell me what happened. Now that I am fully aware, and I have bounced my thoughts off of other reasonable bicyclists, I will make contact with them again.

Referring to BF members(myself included)as ‘reasonable bicyclists’ is without question the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. Thanks! :thumb:

Danhedonia 10-02-18 10:49 AM

If you all can't get along I'm turning this thread around and taking us all home.

TiHabanero 10-02-18 01:57 PM

I have had the old Aksiums and the S10 wheels and both are kind of low end. Neither one held up for more than a week. Busted spokes in the rear wheel, both brands. Sitting in my workshop now waiting for someone to come along and make an offer on the rear wheels. I weigh 230 pounds and they simply don't handle the weight. For what it is worth, I also have an S11 rear wheel sitting in the shop. Was on a female friends bike, and it, too, has a busted spoke. About 5000 miles on it. Not sold on the high tension, low spoke count wheels.
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Paul Barnard 10-04-18 07:19 PM

They are going to send me a set of Gatorskins.

Stratocaster 10-06-18 11:29 AM

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