The History of Bicycles and The Female Sex
10-29-18, 07:58 AM
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Before this gets locked - care to share a link to the Marlboro story? All I can find online are stories about the negative space branding, and a KKK conspiracy theory.
10-29-18, 08:32 AM
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10-29-18, 08:52 AM
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10-29-18, 09:21 AM
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I think what you were trying to say is that filtered cigarettes used to be marketed to women, but were rebranded to be marketed to men after research showed that smoking causes lung cancer (under the pretense that filtered cigarettes are healthier).
10-29-18, 10:40 AM
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Do I need one?
How often have you seen a product originally for women and girls that manufactures have tried to appeal to men and boys by changing somewhat?
Have you ever seen a Singer sewing machine in a camo paint job? How about curling irons for man-perms in macho colors like olive drab or earth brown?
How often have you seen a product originally for women and girls that manufactures have tried to appeal to men and boys by changing somewhat?
Have you ever seen a Singer sewing machine in a camo paint job? How about curling irons for man-perms in macho colors like olive drab or earth brown?
10-29-18, 11:36 AM
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That doesn't say anything about the red top. Is it red because the filters used to be red? That story also claims the brand is named after Earl of Marlborough, but Wikipedia states "The name was taken from a street in London where Philip Morris's British factory was located" (street was indeed named after Churchill's relative, but John Churchill, not Earl)
I think what you were trying to say is that filtered cigarettes used to be marketed to women, but were rebranded to be marketed to men after research showed that smoking causes lung cancer (under the pretense that filtered cigarettes are healthier).
I think what you were trying to say is that filtered cigarettes used to be marketed to women, but were rebranded to be marketed to men after research showed that smoking causes lung cancer (under the pretense that filtered cigarettes are healthier).
You may be right that the actual red at the top design isn't directly related to the red and white tip on the cigarette (to hide the lipstick stains on the filter, BTW), but the packaging of Marlboro for decades before the brand sex change had the name Philip Morris printed in red on the pack in a way that looked like it had been written in lipstick.
"Ivory tips. Protect the lips."
https://flashbak.com/marlboro-cigarettes-women-24001/
10-29-18, 11:38 AM
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But the OP is correct, his post is a pointless rant.
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You may be right that the actual red at the top design isn't directly related to the red and white tip on the cigarette (to hide the lipstick stains on the filter, BTW), but the packaging of Marlboro for decades before the brand sex change had the name Philip Morris printed in red on the pack in a way that looked like it had been written in lipstick.
"Ivory tips. Protect the lips."
https://flashbak.com/marlboro-cigarettes-women-24001/
"Ivory tips. Protect the lips."
https://flashbak.com/marlboro-cigarettes-women-24001/
A couple of Cherry Coke cans from Germany.
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10-29-18, 12:14 PM
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10-29-18, 12:22 PM
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10-29-18, 12:25 PM
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I guess the guy in the background is supposed to be a suspect the cop lost interest in to have a smoke with the other dude. He should have quietly slipped away while they were not watching.
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What exactly are they testing? Weird nonsense English copy and "American" scene photo in a German ad. On topic though, cuz there's a bike--think she keeps the stem bolts on?
10-29-18, 01:27 PM
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10-29-18, 02:08 PM
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I wonder if they have a tactical model?
10-29-18, 02:26 PM
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Since this thread is like a Seinfeld episode as its really about nothing, ill contribute to the gender part of the discussion and bring up the 1984 Univega catalog cover.
My wife saw it and at first sight commented on what she saw as selling sex since the woman is attractive and less than fully dressed. I pointed out that one of the guys is equally limited in clothing. Always funny how even women sometimes view men and women in athletic clothing differently where one is OK and the other is to attract attention.
Anyways, the Univega catalogs are always a good chuckle. The pictures are so hokey. Pretty sure what developed into hipster irony was alive and well back then. There is no way the pictures were taken without recognizing how campish they are.
Such well spec'd bikes and such terrible catalog pictures.
more from '83 and '84...
My wife saw it and at first sight commented on what she saw as selling sex since the woman is attractive and less than fully dressed. I pointed out that one of the guys is equally limited in clothing. Always funny how even women sometimes view men and women in athletic clothing differently where one is OK and the other is to attract attention.
Anyways, the Univega catalogs are always a good chuckle. The pictures are so hokey. Pretty sure what developed into hipster irony was alive and well back then. There is no way the pictures were taken without recognizing how campish they are.
Such well spec'd bikes and such terrible catalog pictures.
more from '83 and '84...
10-29-18, 04:42 PM
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When I was looking down the road to riding across country in the late 90s I was trying to decide between a self-contained trip and a supported one. I was a "cycling snob" back then and imagined every self-contained touring cyclist exactly like the guy pictured above (except with a Bell V1-Pro helmet), primarily because the few self-contained tourers I knew were that guy. No way I was going to become "that guy." Then I saw the prices and the long daily mileages of supported tours and opted to do a small, group self-contained tour. While preparing for it, I realized that I didn't have to become "that guy." Probably the best bike-related decision I ever made.
BTW...The roadie on the cover reminds of Zoolander. The goofy raquetball guy reminds me of David Brenner.
10-30-18, 01:53 AM
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That's gold, Jerry! Gold!
When I was looking down the road to riding across country in the late 90s I was trying to decide between a self-contained trip and a supported one. I was a "cycling snob" back then and imagined every self-contained touring cyclist exactly like the guy pictured above (except with a Bell V1-Pro helmet), primarily because the few self-contained tourers I knew were that guy. No way I was going to become "that guy." Then I saw the prices and the long daily mileages of supported tours and opted to do a small, group self-contained tour. While preparing for it, I realized that I didn't have to become "that guy." Probably the best bike-related decision I ever made.
BTW...The roadie on the cover reminds of Zoolander. The goofy raquetball guy reminds me of David Brenner.
When I was looking down the road to riding across country in the late 90s I was trying to decide between a self-contained trip and a supported one. I was a "cycling snob" back then and imagined every self-contained touring cyclist exactly like the guy pictured above (except with a Bell V1-Pro helmet), primarily because the few self-contained tourers I knew were that guy. No way I was going to become "that guy." Then I saw the prices and the long daily mileages of supported tours and opted to do a small, group self-contained tour. While preparing for it, I realized that I didn't have to become "that guy." Probably the best bike-related decision I ever made.
BTW...The roadie on the cover reminds of Zoolander. The goofy raquetball guy reminds me of David Brenner.
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10-30-18, 03:01 AM
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Is the cute young guy in the red top holding squash or racquetball equipment? Goofy? I wish young fellows looked handsome, clean-shaven, tatt-free and had sexy longer-hair these days. The ugly bearded fellow in blue looks like many homeless guys here in Idaho today. No, David Brenner was not nearly as cute as the racquetball guy. By looking at the nose and the dark features this guy has to be Greek, Italian or jewish.
10-30-18, 04:37 AM
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