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Old 11-10-18, 01:25 AM
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144 spoke wheels

After seeing this bike on CL with 144 spokes on 26" wheels I wondered, how many spokes are too much?

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Old 11-10-18, 07:15 AM
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Wheels like that are a fashion statement. And a PITA to true.
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Old 11-10-18, 10:00 AM
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If all you seek is a Gimmick. you got it there ..
next step: No more spokes at all..
hope no side winds either..
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Old 11-10-18, 10:21 AM
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Thereís a Race Manager in some manner of motor sports who is supposed to have said that Ēanything that hasnít broken once in a race season is too heavyĒ.
In that vein I suppose that the moment your wheels stop giving you trouble youíre right on the edge of Ētoo manyĒ.
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How many spokes are too much? Depends on what you are doing. Take for example this photo of an actual circus bike made for doing human-tepee gags with 6+ people while being ridden

You'll note...for the expected load--it doesn't need that many spokes.

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Old 11-10-18, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
If all you seek is a Gimmick. you got it there ..
next step: No more spokes at all..
hope no side winds either..

that cruzer is is kind of......ugly....to me anyways. On the other hand I have always wanted to try a disc wheel for the fun of it. Looks like itís pure evil in not perfect conditions.
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Old 11-10-18, 12:42 PM
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I think I found a cruiser wheel with 96 spokes.

An interesting thing is that they run radial on the rear.
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Old 11-10-18, 12:48 PM
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Since the cruiser has a coaster brake and 144 spokes itís probably not important that the wheel be true or even.

The circus bike appears to have motorcycle spokes...

Now that monocoque wheel, thatís fun to make jokes about. Does it hang from the upper fibers?
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that cruzer is is kind of......ugly....to me anyways. On the other hand I have always wanted to try a disc wheel for the fun of it. Looks like itís pure evil in not perfect conditions.
On the indoor track, Its UCI track season, there are no cross winds,

they sound like rolling an empty oil drum, used on time trial road bikes..
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Old 11-10-18, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
[left]Since the cruiser has a coaster brake and 144 spokes itís probably not important that the wheel be true or even.
The bike above appears to be coaster brake on the rear only. So, one could fudge a little bit with the wheel being true. But, still it is nice to have a true wheel.

Tension may not have to be even, although perhaps with radial lacing, it might come out awfully close to true if the tension was made even.

Perhaps true for hops. Then set the tension even, with only minor touchup needed after that.
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Old 11-10-18, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Since the cruiser has a coaster brake and 144 spokes itís probably not important that the wheel be true or even.
True, but just bringing such a wheel up to proper tension when building is a PITA.
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Old 11-10-18, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Since the cruiser has a coaster brake and 144 spokes itís probably not important that the wheel be true or even.

The circus bike appears to have motorcycle spokes...

Now that monocoque wheel, thatís fun to make jokes about. Does it hang from the upper fibers?
Nope. Pretty sure it stands on the lower ones. Too bad Jobst isn't here to clarify.
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Originally Posted by Oakman View Post
...how many spokes are too much?
When there's no room for a valve stem.
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Old 11-11-18, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by thumpism View Post
When there's no room for a valve stem.
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Wouldn't the hub drillings for 144 spokes be just a mm or two apart? Perhaps they are offset, but still seems to point to a very fragile hub.
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I can tell you that in the earlier days of tandems 71 spoke wheels were tried. (They left the one out where the valve stem was.) When you use that many spokes that means you are drilling more spoke holes and the rim is weakened.
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That thing is all about looks. I assure you, the person riding it cares nothing about hub or rim strength and only considers true to the extent the wobble is barely noticeable. It wouldn’t surprise me if the bike is never actually ridden, more like rolled from show to show.


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That thing is all about looks. I assure you, the person riding it cares nothing about hub or rim strength and only considers true to the extent the wobble is barely noticeable. It wouldnít surprise me if the bike is never actually ridden, more like rolled from show to show.
It's a sad bike that is only for show.
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Originally Posted by Hoopdriver View Post
Wouldn't the hub drillings for 144 spokes be just a mm or two apart? Perhaps they are offset, but still seems to point to a very fragile hub.
well, if done right, there are more spoke holes sharing the load. So doing an arbitrary assumption on the amount and kind of use a bike like that is likely to see, probably not an issue.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
I think I found a cruiser wheel with 96 spokes.

An interesting thing is that they run radial on the rear.
There used to be a guy here (danny-something) who said heíd built some similar wheels, but 72-spoked. With so many spokes to share the load, radial wasnít an issue.
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