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Old 11-10-18, 06:16 PM
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Interesting marketing.

Not a fan of saddles bags that rattle around and get in the way on some drops. I've always used jersey pockets or a tool/tube caddy (xlab mini cage pod) when riding my skinny-tired bike.

Enter the Camrat.





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so you look cool, and all your stuff gets covered with road grit.
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Instead of having an inner tube talc'd and slipped into a plastic sandwich bag to prevent abrasion from CO2 cartridges, allen keys or the ID/cash/CC stash while nestled away in a small firmly attached saddle bag we have direct contact from a strap and doo-dads to abrade, no protection from filth and UV degradation instead. Pass.

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Doesn't look very secure.
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PLEASE, give me the Fred bag instead of that crazy thing!
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I don't believe in the talcing tubes old wive's tale, the tube is protected from abrasion by rubber sleeves on the elastic bands and the fact that it's really secure.

I've been using their MTB strap for years, for sub-2hr rides, and never lost a thing.



I'm looking forward to opening up a cage and still being able to get back behind the saddle.
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I like to keep tools/tubes free of road grit. Would not use.
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This gimmick is for roadies who ride only in nice weather along clean roads and don't have to worry about getting road grime all over the exposed unprotected tube...All I see is a CO2, where is the pump ??...
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
This gimmick is for roadies who ride only in nice weather along clean roads and don't have to worry about getting road grime all over the exposed unprotected tube.
Uh, nope. My bike spends more time off-road than on, as does my MTB. In all types of weather.

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All I see is a CO2, where is the pump ??...
It's mounted on my frame. Do you find that surprising?

p.s. ellipsis abuse is disgusting.
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The talc is for mounting a spare tube more easily on the roadside.
A good long while ago, when the wife was still reasonably young and "high performance" clincher tires were just starting to be used for training rides, we found the new technology of plastic sandwich bags to be excellent protection for delicate spare tubes in a jersey pocket or seat bag. A spare tube can/will be abraded by other objects in a flats kit or jersey pocket for the months or years all jostle along from road/trail shock or routine handling in/out of jerseys . All were talc'd OEM for ease of installation >40 years ago and still are. An extra dash of talc pre-bag insertion will keep the tube from adhering to the sandwich bag in a flats kit in TX summer heat if fortunately stashed away for a good long while.

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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
A spare tube can/will be abraded by other objects in a flats kit or jersey pocket for the months or years all jostle along from road/trail shock or routine handling in/out of jerseys .
Those are great reasons to use a Camrat instead.
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Originally Posted by ogmtb View Post
Those are great reasons to use a Camrat instead.
With direct contact from tools against the spare tube, no protection from UV or road grit?
Uh, no. A step backwards says my now Old Wife.
Yep: "Marketing"

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I wouldn't pay a dime for that thing. I can get all the parts from old, worn-out sandals, bike bags, totes, whatever ... lately I have been using sections of old inner tube threaded through plastic quick-release buckles (using them I can secure by saddle bags so they don't rattle or shake---the tubes stretch and hold them bags secure. I cut up a couple old fanny packs that had torn or worn or that I simply never used any more. Cost ... a few minutes.

And why ... couldn't people just use the old standard pedal strap? They sell for a dollar to two on Nashbar, and the pros used them for years to hold a spare tubular under the seat.

But ... if a person found a product he or she thinks is worth their money ... great, I guess.

ell .... ipsi....s..........
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
With direct contact from tools against the spare tube, no protection from UV or road grit?
Uh, no. A step backwards says my now Old Wife.
Yep: "Marketing"

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As noted above, your concerns are unfounded based on my experience in much harsher conditions (more dirt, more vibrations) than road riding.

Yep: Reality.
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Originally Posted by ogmtb View Post
As noted above, your concerns are unfounded based on my experience in much harsher conditions (more dirt, more vibrations) than road riding.

Yep: Reality.
Oddly enough I competed in Cyclo Cross in the '70-80's and in the early days of NORBA when there was no suspension on the machines.
"Harsher conditions"? My Old Wife laughs, Yep really.

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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
"Harsher conditions"?
Yeah, when I mountain bike my stuff is exposed to much harsher conditions than it is exposed to when I ride on the road.

Why do you find that hard to believe?
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
And why ... couldn't people just use the old standard pedal strap?
That's what I've got on one bike, though I've got my tube and tools wrapped in a pouch to keep the grit off them. Works great.

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Originally Posted by ogmtb View Post


Yeah, when I mountain bike my stuff is exposed to much harsher conditions than it is exposed to when I ride on the road.

Why do you find that hard to believe?
Did you actually read Post #15 above?

A Synopsis:
The "harsher conditions" of 'Cross and MTB riding are old news to those of us who have been at it awhile and not a startling new innovation of Dirt.
Your marketing of a "new" product does not meet my requirements.

BTW: My Old Wife is of the opinion that anyone Marketing a new spare inner tube carrier when tubeless is SOP for MTB and 'Cross and inevitable for Road might as well be working on a New Buggy Whip Holder.

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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
Did you actually read Post #15 above?
Yes I did. Many of us have raced cross and also raced NORBA. Big deal.

Apparently you can't comprehend the fact that I have been addressing your objection "direct contact from tools against the spare tube, no protection from UV or road grit" by sharing my experience with the MTB version, carrying a tube and tools exposed in the same way. Did you miss that post?

My point, which should be obvious to anyone with even a minimal ability to track a conversation, is that MTB use exposes the bits to harsher conditions that are encountered on the road.

Whether we have raced cross or NORBA has no bearing on the discussion.

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The "harsher conditions" of 'Cross and MTB riding are old news to those of us who have been at it awhile and not a startling new innovation of Dirt.
Your marketing of a "new" product does not meet my requirements.
I'm not marketing anything. That's an odd comment. See above re: harsher conditions and you not understanding the relative comparison being made.

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BTW: My Old Wife is of the opinion that anyone Marketing a new spare inner tube carrier when tubeless is SOP for MTB and 'Cross and inevitable for Road might as well be working on a New Buggy Whip Holder.
Again, not marketing anything here. That's still an odd comment.

Even more odd is believing that carrying a tube doesn't make sense because tubeless is SOP for MTB and cross. Both of my bikes are tubeless but every now and then a tire fails to the point that it won't hold air, even with dynaplugs. That's why prudent folks carry a tube. Given your comments above your confusion is understandable.
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
BTW: My Old Wife is of the opinion that anyone Marketing a new spare inner tube carrier when tubeless is SOP for MTB and 'Cross and inevitable for Road might as well be working on a New Buggy Whip Holder.

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I dont have any interest in that contraption and will happily continue to use a wedge bag.
with that said, I'm really not following a lot of what you've posted here. CX from the 70s has 0 to do with the product or discussion.

as for this quoted segment- carrying a tube is smart, even when running tubeless. Tubeless can fail and a tube then keeps the ride going.

also, tubeless road is inevitable? I guess maybe, but it sure doesnt seem so in its current form. Tubeless psi isnt great at the higher pressures that many cyclists need due to weight.
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Your tools will end up on the road.
Are you advertising here?
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Your tools will end up on the road.
Nope. You're wrong. See post #6 .

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Are you advertising here?
No.

Which part of "I'm not marketing anything. That's an odd comment" and " Again, not marketing anything here. That's still an odd comment" do you find confusing?
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Quite a big chip on your shoulder.
Why do you even post about this?
You can make a video without a dissolve ya know. Where is the 30sec spot for this?
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
I dont have any interest in that contraption and will happily continue to use a wedge bag.
with that said, I'm really not following a lot of what you've posted here. CX from the 70s has 0 to do with the product or discussion.

as for this quoted segment- carrying a tube is smart, even when running tubeless. Tubeless can fail and a tube then keeps the ride going.

also, tubeless road is inevitable? I guess maybe, but it sure doesnt seem so in its current form. Tubeless psi isnt great at the higher pressures that many cyclists need due to weight.
'Cross training and racing in the '70's was part and parcel of those "harsher conditions" that the OP seemed to think were a recent novelty, but just SOP to us back then.
Dirt riding and training on the unpaved roads for 'Cross was certainly in "harsher conditions" than riding on tarmac and relevant to this discussion.
We knew harsh from 'Cross, but the early days of MTB racing in NORBA were about as "harsh" as we ever experienced, hence suspensions were developed to make toady's MTB riding Harsh-Lite.

Carrying a tube for "tubeless" severe flats requires the same old flats kit used for the last several decades.
Marketing a new ill designed version is trying to answer a question that (almost) no one asks.

'Lectric shifting, hydraulic disc brakes and tubeless tires are where the industry is going for "performance" MTB, "Cross, Gravel and Roads soon and general purpose after..
Doubt if you will, it's the lower pressures in a well matched/sized system which "work" for tubeless in any weight/terrain that will spell the end of the high pressure/narrow paradigm.


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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
Quite a big chip on your shoulder.
Why do you even post about this?
You can make a video without a dissolve ya know.
What chip? It seems that you're projecting fella. FWIW, pointing out that you can't understand what you have read doesn't mean that I have a chip on my shoulder. It does mean that you're making me laugh though.

I posted because I was amused by their marketing.

Yeah, I've been making videos for decades. Sometimes I use a dissolve, sometimes a dip, and sometimes a simple cut. Way back when I even used some of the cheesy stock Premiere transitions before I knew better. What does that have to do with this thread?

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Where is the 30sec spot for this?
Again, not advertising. Why are you hung up on that fantasy?
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