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Old 12-06-18, 01:35 AM
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Made charts and added them to the OP...

Histogram has top 10% lumped into an outlier bucket, and scatterplot has both axes logarithmic



Nice, now where getting to some data!

How about some axes labels for the abscissa and ordinate?
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There's different circumstances dude. I'm at 13c on my CrossCheck, and I'm estimating $2000 cost, which I'm pretty sure is an overestimate. Go read C&V, people pick perfectly-serviceable lugged steel bikes off curbs and dumpsters every day, or get them for well under $100 at garage sales. Not saying everybody that wants to can just do that, but lots of people do get lucky.

Not everybody needs/uses a light (so can be 0), but still they can be cheap. My light system cost me about $25 (zoomable-head Cree XML T-6 flashlight $8.98, pair of good 18650 batteries $15, two hose clamps $1). That also includes a road-found Cygolite Hotshot (free to me!), but before that I was using a $15 PlanetBike blinky, which was fine, so $40.

I am in a crime-free-enough suburbia that I use a pretty-cheap cable lock, it probably cost me less than $10. Enough to thwart a convenience thief is all I judged I need.

I bought a pair of Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x50s for $138.60, installed them at 5666mi on my odometer. They got something like 8 or 9000 miles before I replaced them with Mondials. The rear Mondial wore out (disappointingly quickly) so I put the better supreme back on, it's probably over 10000 miles by now.

Coupla chains, coupla pairs of brake pads. Coupla $15 helmets (Catlike Whisper knockoffs from fleabay). Coupla bucks for hardware to manufacture a Kittier and decorate it with reflective tape.

If I had spent $100 on a sturdy 1980's Schwinn instead of $1229.86 on building up my own CrossCheck, I'd be down in the nickel a mile neighborhood.
Well, your costs are almost as high as mine (within two-fold), and you're at over 10000 miles now. I don't think it's as cheap as you think and I think you're also leaving out a lot of items.

Nice charts though.
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Well, your costs are almost as high as mine (within two-fold), and you're at over 10000 miles now. I don't think it's as cheap as you think and I think you're also leaving out a lot of items.

Nice charts though.
I'd like to hear your ideas what I'm leaving out.

The scatter plot is x=cost, y=miles, I can't update it from work but I'll try to get to it tonight
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I'd like to hear your ideas what I'm leaving out.

The scatter plot is x=cost, y=miles, I can't update it from work but I'll try to get to it tonight
I apologise, I didn't see your new post.

It seems that 15c is about on spec for my 20 ± 5c / mi average. We get reimbursed for travel at a rate of 21p/mi by bicycle if it's work related.

Everyone says that it's easy to get down to a nickel / mi, but no one is actually doing it, as far as I can tell.
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I apologise, I didn't see your new post.

It seems that 15c is about on spec for my 20 ± 5c / mi average. We get reimbursed for travel at a rate of 21p/mi by bicycle if it's work related.

Everyone says that it's easy to get down to a nickel / mi, but no one is actually doing it, as far as I can tell.
What? I've given you detailed numbers! Purchase cost, maintenance, dates miles and commutes. The "major" purchases were $20 tires! What more do you need to know that I'm actually doing it? Considerably under a nickle in fact.

Do you really need to know "more", for example that I've used 5% of the $6 bottle of chain lube that I bought in 2017?
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For every member of BF glad to tell you how much they spent on their <insert item here> there's a counterpart who is glad to tell you about how little they spent on their <insert item here>.

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Everyone says that it's easy to get down to a nickel / mi, but no one is actually doing it, as far as I can tell.
I'll repeat the end of my long breakdown

Nickel/mile over 15000 miles gives a budget of $750. If you start with a $100 sturdy vintage steel bike, that seems pretty easy.
You and I each have half of the equation. You've got the cheap bike, but your commuting situation hasn't enabled you to rack up the miles. I've got the miles, but my costs are up closer to $2000 because I spent (invested) on a fantsy bike. If I had bought a Mango 6 years ago, and not blown $100 on a leather saddle, I'd be down to nickel/mile territory. (And have bigger thighs)

Commuting and C&V are both littered with old dudes riding vintage steel for many many years/miles.
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What? I've given you detailed numbers! Purchase cost, maintenance, dates miles and commutes. The "major" purchases were $20 tires! What more do you need to know that I'm actually doing it? Considerably under a nickle in fact.

Do you really need to know "more", for example that I've used 5% of the $6 bottle of chain lube that I bought in 2017?
This is the summary of text that I have from this thread:
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I've spent about $370 total on my fixed gear commuting bike, including purchase new, couple of sets of tires, chain etc, since December 2015. With a bit under 10,000 miles the cost is about 3.7 cents per mile.

One set came with the bike, a pair of Rubino, a pair of Rubino II, bought on sale maybe $50-60 total.

Brake pads, I'd bought 4 sets on Amazon for $16 total, and included that in my total. One single speed chain $8.50. I also got a retractable cable lock at some point, $15. You see where I'm going with that - I basically don't spend anything on that bike.

I haven't had to replace the cog or cables, and no other maintenance has been needed, other than lubing the chain and greasing hubs. That's one of the things I like about that style of bike.

Sure, per commute is another way to look at it. I have 1376 commutes since buying the bike Dec '15 (10,604 miles), counting each way as one commute. I have to approximate that at least 80% of those were on the commuter fixed gear and the rest with my road bike, but I knocked that down to 75% to err on the conservative side and it came to about 35 cents per commute. That's an upper bound - it's likely closer to 90% and 27 cents per commute (54 cents per working day).

I don't know about rack damage. I doubt that anyone has touched my bikes other than picking one up if it fell over so I don't have that issue. But maintenance and repair costs since I've had it, less than $100. $277 up front, including bike (new), rack, fenders, lights, trunk bag, chain case, new saddle. It's easily under 5c/mile and will likely be 2 - 3 cents in another year or two, even if I replace the cog, bottom bracket and get new tires by then.

At current gas prices, driving the shortest route costs almost double my cycling per commute cost, in gasoline alone.
$277 up front for a bike, rack, fenders, trunk bag, chain case, new saddle?

brand/make/photos?

over 10000 miles of usage:

a pair of Rubino II, bought on sale maybe $50-60 total.

Brake pads, I'd bought 4 sets on Amazon for $16 total, and included that in my total.
One single speed chain $8.50.
I also got a retractable cable lock at some point, $15.

OK, so you've commuted 10000 miles with no extra tubes/patches (but 4 sets of brake pads), only one set of replacement tyres, no cables, no lights, no odometer?

You must have had an excellent deal on that upfront cost?

I'm just not believing it until I see it more detail. It's not impossible but it's really cheap, especially if you can skimp out of buying a proper lock and/or having any flats.
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I'm just not believing it until I see it more detail. It's not impossible but it's really cheap, especially if you can skimp out of buying a proper lock and/or having any flats.
Like I did (by living in an expensive low-crime community and investing in Marathon Supremes)
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There are many places where you see poor immigrants getting around on bikes because it's all they can afford. Their wages are criminally low, so I expect their budgets for bikes are also low. Maybe we could learn frugality from them. Many of the bikes appear to be castaways, as I sometimes see adults commuting on children's bikes.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
What? I've given you detailed numbers! Purchase cost, maintenance, dates miles and commutes. The "major" purchases were $20 tires! What more do you need to know that I'm actually doing it? Considerably under a nickle in fact.

Do you really need to know "more", for example that I've used 5% of the $6 bottle of chain lube that I bought in 2017?
"Knowing more" in this case means posting more data that matches acidfast7's postulate, and less data that is not in agreement, and is therefore prima facie "suspect" in acidfast7's opinion.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
...Everyone says that it's easy to get down to a nickel / mi, but no one is actually doing it, as far as I can tell.
The people who are actually doing it are commuting on super crappy bikes that they got for next-to-nothing and aren't posting on bike forums.
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I think he's throwing shade on the dozen or so people in this thread that claimed costs/mi that low
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I think he's throwing shade on the dozen or so people in this thread that claimed costs/mi that low
I don't "throw shade" whatever the hell that new hipster saying is, I simply request evidence.

I understand that people aren't as anal as me, which is OK, but I'm free to doubt it.
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Well this thread is not "submit a cost/mile claim to acidfast7 for adjudication", so don't expect too much.

I was surprised (probably shouldn't have been) going through the posts gathering chart data, datapoints stopped showing up a few days ago. All the acid/Like bickering has killed the thread
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This is the summary of text that I have from this thread:


$277 up front for a bike, rack, fenders, trunk bag, chain case, new saddle?

brand/make/photos?

over 10000 miles of usage:

a pair of Rubino II, bought on sale maybe $50-60 total.

Brake pads, I'd bought 4 sets on Amazon for $16 total, and included that in my total.
One single speed chain $8.50.
I also got a retractable cable lock at some point, $15.

OK, so you've commuted 10000 miles with no extra tubes/patches (but 4 sets of brake pads), only one set of replacement tyres, no cables, no lights, no odometer?

You must have had an excellent deal on that upfront cost?

I'm just not believing it until I see it more detail. It's not impossible but it's really cheap, especially if you can skimp out of buying a proper lock and/or having any flats.
As I told you, the $277 up front price INCLUDES lights, fenders, rack and chain case. It includes the saddle, and the odometer (all of $18 and $8 respectively). It includes a new rear blinkie and the bottle cage. The model, with detailed specs and photos, are previously public in another thread, where you responded.

The bike is a Dawes SST available from Bikes Direct, at about half what you paid.

No, not "a pair" of Rubinos, but TWO pairs for $50-$60 total. ALL of those tires are included in my costs.

No, not "used 4 sets of brake pads" over 10,000 miles but BOUGHT 4 sets of brake pads. I still have half of them left.

Yes, only one replacement chain at $8.50, which one should expect on a fixed gear with chain case.

Cables? On a fixed gear, there are NO shifter cables. Brake cables are still perfect, as one should expect with covered parking and stored indoors.

Your objections would have been sorted simply by more attentive reading. You should pay better attention before declaring "I don't believe it".
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As I told you, the $277 up front price INCLUDES lights, fenders, rack and chain case. It includes the saddle, and the odometer (all of $18 and $8 respectively). It includes a new rear blinkie and the bottle cage. The model, with detailed specs and photos, are previously public in another thread, where you responded.

The bike is a Dawes SST available from Bikes Direct, at about half what you paid.

No, not "a pair" of Rubinos, but TWO pairs for $50-$60 total. ALL of those tires are included in my costs.

No, not "used 4 sets of brake pads" over 10,000 miles but BOUGHT 4 sets of brake pads. I still have half of them left.

Yes, only one replacement chain at $8.50, which one should expect on a fixed gear with chain case.

Cables? On a fixed gear, there are NO shifter cables. Brake cables are still perfect, as one should expect with covered parking and stored indoors.

Your objections would have been sorted simply by more attentive reading. You should pay better attention before declaring "I don't believe it".
OK. I accept your values upon clarification.

I can't reasonably see how it could get any cheaper for 10000 miles. Even with a used bicycle that would require some tuning up as the new Dawes is only $199 shipped.
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"Knowing more" in this case means posting more data that matches acidfast7's postulate, and less data that is not in agreement, and is therefore prima facie "suspect" in acidfast7's opinion.
I am baffled by what more spending is supposed to be necessary for commuting. My fixed gear has required no maintenance $ over 3 years, beyond tires, replacing brake pads, and one chain. Straight out of my order history:

Tubes, $4.50 each
Chain, $8.50
Brake Pads, $3.50/pair
Rubino Pro tire, $20 - and that's the "expensive" tire for my road bike. I buy the commuters for near half that, whatever I find on clearance.

That is everything that I have out of pocket for maintenance on that bike, period. The REST of the $100 or so I claim went to Nashbar for a trunk bag and several shirts/jerseys.
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OK. I accept your values upon clarification.

I can't reasonably see how it could get any cheaper for 10000 miles. Even with a used bicycle that would require some tuning up as the new Dawes is only $199 shipped.
You probably don't want to hear about my GMC Denali then, which was $129 new, and wore $9-$10 tires down to the threads. Everything but the frame and fork has been changed by now, but for a few years the cost per mile was 2 cents or under.
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lol, a few years back there was a guy (high school student?) who would regularly pass me many mornings on a GMC Denali
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The people who are actually doing it are commuting on super crappy bikes that they got for next-to-nothing and aren't posting on bike forums.
This so true though. I see mexican laborers getting around on Magnas and other BSO all the time.
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You probably don't want to hear about my GMC Denali then, which was $129 new, and wore $9-$10 tires down to the threads. Everything but the frame and fork has been changed by now, but for a few years the cost per mile was 2 cents or under.
Actually, I would like to hear about it.

One of the reasons that I joined BF was @CigTech and his/her Denali thread, which was excellent.

Unfortunately, when I bought this bike, I didn't have access to a GMC Denali or I would've went that direction.

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I did a tune-up for a neighbor's Denali. Well, as junky as it was, it was less junky than the BSOs of the 1970s.
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Being as it is Christmas-time, I just finished leading volunteers at my work in assembling and QA'ing over 200 Huffys (out of almost 500 total) that my work gave out to military kids.

Now them is some crappy bikes! But even so, at least over the last few years I've stopped seeing crappy caliper brakes. 20" bmx bikes this year were coaster-brake only, no superfluous front handbrake. And 24&26" mtb are crappy V-brakes.

Crap-for-crap, I'll take a crappy V-brake over a crappy caliper brake any day.

(the mtb also have 3x6 shifting with thumblevers. C&V enthusiasts will be glad to know at least the front shifting is friction. The 26" had shoddy suspension forks and 1-piece cranks, but the 24" had rigid forks and 3-piece cranks)
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Being as it is Christmas-time, I just finished leading volunteers at my work in assembling and QA'ing over 200 Huffys (out of almost 500 total) that my work gave out to military kids.

Now them is some crappy bikes! But even so, at least over the last few years I've stopped seeing crappy caliper brakes. 20" bmx bikes this year were coaster-brake only, no superfluous front handbrake. And 24&26" mtb are crappy V-brakes.

Crap-for-crap, I'll take a crappy V-brake over a crappy caliper brake any day.

(the mtb also have 3x6 shifting with thumblevers. C&V enthusiasts will be glad to know at least the front shifting is friction. The 26" had shoddy suspension forks and 1-piece cranks, but the 24" had rigid forks and 3-piece cranks)
I like the BMX caliper on my FGSS.

Never thought I'd see one of those again.
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