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Old 12-17-18, 11:32 PM
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When I was young.. (doodily, doodily due)...

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Could you hit a front porch with a newspaper while riding it pretty damn fast?
Didn't have a newspaper route. Worked part time as a stock clerk in a warehouse.
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Originally Posted by slowrevs View Post
Didn't have a newspaper route. Worked part time as a stock clerk in a warehouse.
Never ruin a good story with the truth. Throwing newspapers while gripping the high handlebars is too good a mental picture to waste.
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Skills do not always involve newspapers...

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Never ruin a good story with the truth. Throwing newspapers while gripping the high handlebars is too good a mental picture to waste.
We had a variation on the Japanese Samurai Festival of shooting arrows at clay targets as you ride by on a horse at full gallop.

We mounted a metal trash can lid on a 1 x 4, stuck the stick in a trash barrel, put a foot of dirt in the barrel for ballast, turned it so the can lid faced into the street, then rode by on the opposite sidewalk as fast as we could while trying to throw tennis balls into the barrel after hitting the lid. One of the benefits of growing up on a dead end street was that we didn't have to worry about that many cars in our play areas. BTW, getting the balls to go in was harder than it sounds.
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Originally Posted by slowrevs View Post
We had a variation on the Japanese Samurai Festival of shooting arrows at clay targets as you ride by on a horse at full gallop.

We mounted a metal trash can lid on a 1 x 4, stuck the stick in a trash barrel, put a foot of dirt in the barrel for ballast, turned it so the can lid faced into the street, then rode by on the opposite sidewalk as fast as we could while trying to throw tennis balls into the barrel after hitting the lid. One of the benefits of growing up on a dead end street was that we didn't have to worry about that many cars in our play areas. BTW, getting the balls to go in was harder than it sounds.
Rollerball! Without the engines or bloodshed, of course.

Now that's a good story.
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Old 12-18-18, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Never ruin a good story with the truth. Throwing newspapers while gripping the high handlebars is too good a mental picture to waste.
Wasn't there some childhood genius book series where the kid invented a newspaper cannon to auto-launch papers while keeping both hands on the bars? We might have met the real-life inspiration!
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Old 12-19-18, 10:24 PM
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It exists....

Look up the Schwinn Kokomo!

I'd post a pic or URL but don't have 10 posts yet....
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Originally Posted by AtomicNumber53 View Post
Look up the Schwinn Kokomo!

I'd post a pic or URL but don't have 10 posts yet....

I googled it--that is one ugly bike!

I'd post a pic, but somebody might be eating.

(My apologies to anyone who owns one.)
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Lots of Blood - - But when you're kids - you can spare it...

Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Rollerball! Without the engines or bloodshed, of course.

Now that's a good story.
No engines, that's true.

But, when we first started playing that game there was a lot of bloodshed as all of us crashed our bikes at least once trying to get the hang of what we were doing. Throwing a ball hard across your body when going fast produces destabilizing forces and whacking the left arm gripping the handlebars with your right arm throwing could send you crashing. But we persevered. And our bikes were tough Murrays and Schwinns.

The Lefties always had it easier than the Righties. But what did 10 year olds know about physics and centrifugal forces. Nothing formal, that's for sure.

We had a great time and all of us lived to tell about it.

Whereas most of the fictional Rollerball players did not. But that was and is a good movie! Though a little dated now.
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Originally Posted by slowrevs View Post
No engines, that's true.

But, when we first started playing that game there was a lot of bloodshed as all of us crashed our bikes at least once trying to get the hang of what we were doing. Throwing a ball hard across your body when going fast produces destabilizing forces and whacking the left arm gripping the handlebars with your right arm throwing could send you crashing. But we persevered. And our bikes were tough Murrays and Schwinns.

The Lefties always had it easier than the Righties. But what did 10 year olds know about physics and centrifugal forces. Nothing formal, that's for sure.

We had a great time and all of us lived to tell about it.

Whereas most of the fictional Rollerball players did not. But that was and is a good movie! Though a little dated now.
Jonathon! Jonathon!

Stories from the "What's a bike helmet?" era.

My small scars from then are limited to unsuccessfully emulating Evel Kneivel on poorly conceived jump ramps. I shared that 10 year old's lack of appreciation for physics.
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Old 12-22-18, 01:06 PM
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Fine, somebody once told you that "obese" people are likely to "bottom out" the springs on a Brooks saddle; ever see it happen in real life? I suppose if you find someone heavy enough (maybe 500+ pounds) to bust up normal furniture with his bulk he might break bicycle saddles too. I haven't seen many (actually any) such immense people riding bicycles. I suppose your tip on this subject might be pertinent to them wherever they are.
that somebody literally builds Brooks saddles for a living. He also never said the word “obese”, nor did I in my question to him. To answer your question: no, I haven’t, but that doesn’t change anything. Your position is, for lack of a nicer term, stupid, and you know it. Thats why you have resorted to such a ridiculous response. My initial point was about the comfort aspect of a spring saddle. If you are at the upper limit of what your particular saddle springs are designed to handle, then that could radically reduce any comfort you believe the saddle provides. All this other nonsense is just a pretty hilarious case of someone arguing themselves in circles trying to avoid admitting that their position is ridiculous and was based on nothing more than an unnecessary bruised ego, because they took personal offence to a comment that wasn’t directed at them (or anyone in particular for that matter). And for which they lacked the actual knowledge and rational position to defend. I ride a brooks saddle literally everyday, have for over 10 years. I’ve owned and ridden both spring and non spring saddles. That includes single and double wrapped triple rail models. I love brooks. Clearly, so do you. But that’s not an excuse for launching a foolish attack because some dared to say a spring saddle has drawbacks and limitations. For future reference, I would direct you to read on basic spring physics, specifically Hooke’s law. Cheers, mate.
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Old 12-22-18, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Placebo.

A seat that is comfortable is one that properly supports your sit bones. Not one with springs.
Spring seats are not my cup of tea, but given the price of a Brooks spring seat, and the number I see out an about, what is the issue? They are not OEM, people pay for them and have them installed because they want them, swear they are comfortable and ride them (many look very well ridden). The cheaper OEM vinyl ones are there for style and to attract folks who might be apprehensive of a bicycle with a narrow seat. Real or placebo, if that person says a spring seat works for them, than what is the big deal?
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Originally Posted by Bill in VA View Post
Spring seats are not my cup of tea, but given the price of a Brooks spring seat, and the number I see out an about, what is the issue? They are not OEM, people pay for them and have them installed because they want them, swear they are comfortable and ride them (many look very well ridden). The cheaper OEM vinyl ones are there for style and to attract folks who might be apprehensive of a bicycle with a narrow seat. Real or placebo, if that person says a spring seat works for them, than what is the big deal?
People disagreeing with the Conventional Wisdom/Rules™ espoused as Gospel by bicycling enthusiasts/self appointed experts, apparently shakes up the equilibrium of the Serious Cycling™ universe.
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People disagreeing with the Conventional Wisdom/Rules™ espoused as Gospel by bicycling enthusiasts/self appointed experts, apparently shakes up the equilibrium of the Serious Cycling™ universe.
I know. But it had to be said. I also confess that I turn the bike over to remove the wheels and adjust the derailleurs. To compensate, I follow the rule that cycling shorts MUST be black.
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Old 12-22-18, 03:51 PM
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Haven't read the whole thread but it seems like the Day6 Dream may be exactly what the OP wants.
https://day6bikes.com/

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Haven't read the whole thread but it seems like the Day6 Dream may be exactly what the OP wants.
https://day6bikes.com/

That's like a vertical bent.

Must work for somebody, but that would be my idea of a two-wheeled torture device.
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Old 12-23-18, 04:33 PM
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That's like a vertical bent.

Must work for somebody, but that would be my idea of a two-wheeled torture device.
Not a recumbent, but a crank forward bike. Like the Electra Flat Foot Technology line of bikes. Both feet can be placed on the ground at a stop while staying on the seat. RANS makes a higher-zoot line of crank forwards.
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Old 12-23-18, 09:24 PM
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Good for You Jon!

Glad you found something you like, not to my taste, but its' great you like it because that's all that matters.

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Krates are for kiddies. They have dinky wheels. Here is my 1-year-old Schwinn-branded (China-made) Discover 700C city bike made Krate-like in factory "Licorice" paint (my Licorice Big Boy Krate):
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Originally Posted by JonBailey View Post
1. big, comfy spring seats?
2. nice, tall ape-hanger cruising bars?

Bicycle manufacturers should take styling cues from Harley-Davidson cruisers.

The way most mountain bikes are configured hurts my body badly especially with my rheumatoid arthritis.
I am middle-aged too.
Forget the so called hybrid. Get the bike with the seat and handlebar you want. The dealer will be happy to make you happy, but you have to talk.
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Old 12-24-18, 03:06 PM
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Forget the so called hybrid. Get the bike with the seat and handlebar you want. The dealer will be happy to make you happy, but you have to talk.
That's been suggested. OP could easily modify a stock bike, but he expects to find one with his specs as an off-the-shelf model.
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They were quite the rage in the 1960's. But then us bikers discovered light weight and all bets were off. Most of us bought ten-speeds with drop bars and flipped the drop bars up so they were easier to reach. Worked for many years.

But, as you got to wanting to go further/faster, the drop got put back down and better tires got installed. Then weight weenie parts and training, it was a never ending pursuit of something. Still at it.

My wife had her first MTB set-up with a wide spring seat and steer tube riser so she could sit upright. Got onto a few trails with some climbs and had to walk them. I asked if it was OK to raise her seat a bit and would she lean forward a bit climbing. She did, and all of a sudden she is not walking the bike so much. It's evolutionary for each person.

Riding upright with feet a bit forward is how about 3M Dutchies get to work every day. And they have sprung saddles. But it's a flat country. And the city buildings block the head winds most days. Dutchies that tour, usually tour with flat bars and are more toward the front end, just like us ...

There are a bunch of German Ruff bikes (brand) that have most of the OP's features. They are urban attitude bikes. Really well made and way cool. I just would not want to ride them very far ...

Ruff

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@JonBailey Although recumbents have been mentioned before, I think one like this may be better suited. It has a 700c rear wheel, so the gearing will be more like a regular road bike. With this very upright position (actually laid back a bit), your head will likely be just slightly lower than it is now.

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