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Old 06-23-05, 10:56 AM
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I need to justify it...

Guilt.

I'm in the market for my first mtn bike. Put a strict limit of $850, figuring I could get a decent hardtail.
Somehow, someway, next thing you know, I'm sitting on a Gary Fisher Cake DLX4, asking him to put platforms on it until I get used to the bike and buy the proper shoes. This bike is listed at $1650 (yes, there are FOUR digits there) but he said I could have it for $1325. This bike was hanging from the ceiling, and I was the only person that ever rode it. It is a 2005, carbon fiber seat stays, Deore all around, Hayes Hydraulic with 6 and 8" rotors, Manitou Black fronts and Swinger 3 way rear. Trust me - all of the previous lingo I didn't understand until I walked into the LBS.

How can I justify going $500 over my budget? Please talk me out of it. He's going to call me today after he gets it fully adjusted and the pedals installed. It's not that I can't afford it - well I can't, really - I'll find a way - it's just that...well, don't you think that's a little TOO MUCH BIKE for a starter bike? By the way, I didn't pay for it yet. Please stop me. (Gosh, it's such a good deal, though)
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Old 06-23-05, 11:13 AM
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Easy: meet yourself halfway on it:

1. go look/test ride all the stuff you can get for $3500
2. lust after things you cant have for six months...
3. go back to the LBS and buy it at the end of the season for $999.

That way you only go $150 over budget, and you still feel like its a bargan compared to what you could have bought



Seriously, though.... look at you bicycle budget for the next few years and figure out if you will be able to buy a new bike once you have "outgrown" your starter bike. Better to have a bike that you wont be bored with in a year or two for "only" $500 more, rather than shelling out a full $1500 later. If you think you might keep the $850 bike for awhile, then buy it and plan ahead and start saving money for your next bike purchase now.

( I'll let someone else ask you about your riding style. I dont know what your skill level/riding style is, but a dualie with hydraulic discs is overkill for bikeways, gravel roads and flat NORBA singletrack. )
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Old 06-23-05, 12:02 PM
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So what are you going to do with that $500.00 if you don't buy the bike? My worst nightmere is of my kids all standing around my coffin and talking about how sensible dad was. Not going to happen. I'm doing my best to give them some more interesting things to talk about after I'm gone. Besides, it probably doesn't matter anyway because, before you die, the healthcare corporations are going to get everything that you have left anyway. Buy the bike!
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Old 06-23-05, 12:18 PM
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I admire you for even having a budget. That is awesome of you.

Your budget is important. You just have to respect it. How will you ever become wealthy if you give in to every luring temptation? You know what they say, it's not how much money you make, it's how much of it you can keep.

Why do you have a budget it your going to toss it out of the window just because something pretty and glistening comes along?

Get a hold of yourself! Be reasonable! YOU CAN HAVE WHAT YOU NEED AND RESPECT YOUR BUDGET. I believe in you.

Before you get this bike, you should shop some other stores and tell them what your price range is...be firm! Try a Raleigh shop -they have a good rep. Very good rep. Especially the C30's which run about 350.00. and they are pretty, and fast too.

One more thing, if you respect your budget now, it will pay off later. You can always upgrade in a few years as your biking experience increases and your needs changes and your wealth accummulates. But a bike like a Raleigh will serve you well.

I hope I helped.

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Old 06-23-05, 01:46 PM
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Don't listen to Be Ready. Screw the budget, splurge. You know you want to!!
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Old 06-23-05, 05:02 PM
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I just got this mental picture of BeReady and Operator sitting on Siu Blue's shoulders, one dressed as an angel, the other a devil...
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Originally Posted by stumpjumper
I just got this mental picture of BeReady and Operator sitting on Siu Blue's shoulders, one dressed as an angel, the other a devil...
but which is which?
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Scenarios-

1-

Follow your budget and make a bunch of comprimises in components. Ride the bike for six months, then discover you really love riding. Realize the limitations of the equipment. Lust after better gear. Upgrade wheels and seat for an extra $600. Lust persists. Realize you still wish you purchased bike B. Sell your bike on ebay at a loss of $350 over the purchase price and apply sale price to buying the bike you wish you purchased in the first place. Spend more money trying to save money.


2-

Buy what you think you WILL WANT a year from now, rather than follow your previously planned budget. Fall in love with riding AND the bike. End your gear lust for indeterminant time period (at least several years). Only replace parts as/if they break. You got it right the first time!

3-

Buy either bike, realize you don't like riding... sell on ebay at a loss... get taken for $4500 in Nigerian Scam. (I didn't think so either...)
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Old 06-23-05, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by stumpjumper
I just got this mental picture of BeReady and Operator sitting on Siu Blue's shoulders, one dressed as an angel, the other a devil...
LOL - So did I!!! hehehehehe

Siu Blue, being a family man with 2 young children and only one income I fully understand the need for budgetary constraints.... but there comes a time when you just have to say "f#@K it" and just go for it. The trick to it is knowing if this is one of those times. The trouble is that you don't know for sure if it really was one of those times untill after you've done the deal and you're riding your new bike down the road.

I'm not really helping, am I
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Old 06-23-05, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue
Guilt.

I'm in the market for my first mtn bike. Put a strict limit of $850, figuring I could get a decent hardtail.
Somehow, someway, next thing you know, I'm sitting on a Gary Fisher Cake DLX4, asking him to put platforms on it until I get used to the bike and buy the proper shoes. This bike is listed at $1650 (yes, there are FOUR digits there) but he said I could have it for $1325. This bike was hanging from the ceiling, and I was the only person that ever rode it. It is a 2005, carbon fiber seat stays, Deore all around, Hayes Hydraulic with 6 and 8" rotors, Manitou Black fronts and Swinger 3 way rear. Trust me - all of the previous lingo I didn't understand until I walked into the LBS.

How can I justify going $500 over my budget? Please talk me out of it. He's going to call me today after he gets it fully adjusted and the pedals installed. It's not that I can't afford it - well I can't, really - I'll find a way - it's just that...well, don't you think that's a little TOO MUCH BIKE for a starter bike? By the way, I didn't pay for it yet. Please stop me. (Gosh, it's such a good deal, though)
It all depends on how much money you have. Nobody here can tell you what is sensible. If you are pulling in 6 figures and have little debt, then you probably can justify a better bike. If you are like most and are middle class with a mortgage, car debt, and kids to put through college, then you have to ask?

Why do i need this expensive of bike? I for one, usually take the cheap approach. I ride entry level bikes mainly because i don't feel like wasting money that should be spent elsewhere. If i were single then maybe i would have the greatest bike ever made.

Unless you are a serious racer, there is no reason you HAVE to have a bike like that. I ride more than most and not one of my bikes cost $1000.
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Oh, Ranger...you make so much sense. You are right. I don't have a lot of money. I don't pull in 6 figures. And honestly, sometimes I need to be reminded of that. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart. But you know what? I don't smoke, I don't do drugs or drink, I don't buy expensive clothes, I don't buy make up or have my nails done. I work hard in retail at any given day. I don't buy myself nice things. But as you can see, at this time the LBS has closed, and he must have called me by now.....
But Filterweep, you made a lot of sense, too!


(snicker, snicker, hee hee hee )


THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ADVICE!

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Old 06-24-05, 05:32 AM
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stick to your budget. but do a better job shopping around, including looking at lightly used bikes.

Yeah, you may upgrade later if you become a bike fiend. But you may not. Plenty of people out there selling 'lightly used' bikes, after all. And if you're a new rider, you may not really appreciate the difference between them anyway.

The 'buy for the future' argument is sort of silly. How do you know what you'll want in the future when you aren't riding yet? For all you know, you might want a ROAD bike--in which case, better buy a cheap MB now. And so on. That's just a concept which salesmen use to get you to go over your budget. It makes sense if your budget is $300, as any serious riding and you may be wishing you had upgraded. But $800? Please. you can get a VERY VERY nice MB for that money, and if you're incredibly unhappy with it after a year, you either got very good very fast, or you're a total gearhead.
Hell, go buy a Motobecane off bikesdirect if you're so worried... you can swap the components to another frame later if you want to and make upgrading cheaper.

though I'll say it: why on earth do you want a DS with discs?
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The expensive bike is only worth it if you know you will be doing big jumps. For any othe riding the weight of the suspension will be a pain. The multi pivot points in the suspension will all be points of wear, so the handling will inevitably become more sloppy. Unless you really need a full suspension bike, do some more shopping around for the best hardtail you can find and it may cost a bit more than your $850.
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Well, speaking as someone who traditionally budgets very carefully and then completely ignores the budget when it comes time to buy stuff... I'd say, hold to your budget if you can.

It is really hard to know what you'll want a month or two after buying your bike. That's a big chunk o' change to drop on a first bike... In fact I'd be more inclined to say drop your budget to like $400 or so, buy a bike that you KNOW you'll replace, but by riding it you will figure out which options would be important to you and which would not.
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Spontaneity is what makes life enjoyable. Budgets are designed to ruin spontaneity. So what do you want? Practicality or an enjoyable life? I chose the enjoyable path and have many bikes bought on impulse to back that claim.
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but too much of that and you lose the financial ability to be spontaneous, unless you're a millionaire. "Practicality or an enjoyable life" is a tad odd, judgmental, or just plain stupid, depending on your viewpoint. How about "Enjoying what you can afford"; "practicality allows occasional splurging for fun"; or perhaps "Practicality occasionally, or constant poverty"?

It sure is easy to spend someone else's money.
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That Cake is 5&5 right? Get that bad boy and ride it. I have a 5&5 bike and it rocks on trails!!!! You want it and you know it so go get it! Do it,do it,do it.
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Originally Posted by mtnbiker66
That Cake is 5&5 right? Get that bad boy and ride it. I have a 5&5 bike and it rocks on trails!!!! You want it and you know it so go get it! Do it,do it,do it.

Yes, that Candy apple red with black is a 5&5. Veeerrrrry Puuurrrrtty.
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I'd say get what you can afford at the time, so long as you will be happy with it....if you won't be, then get the other one.
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*WARNING* The following is the opinions of a disgruntled and ornery Boy who knows nothing of the world and is just generally annoyed with humanity's dealings with money. If you are offended by any of this, please take ten deep breaths and say "What a idiot, he's just disgruntled because he can't afford an aluminum frame for $1000".

*ahem*

...

You all are crazy! I demand that each one of you go read Sheldon Brown's Joke site if you haven't. Realize that the bicycle manufactures are laughing at all of you people who really think all these small details matter!

http://sheldonbrown.com/humor/index.html

Here's my advice, obviously there are a lot of people who "Buy the future" because people are idiots*. Troll around your local Craiglist postings and ebay and whatever and pick up these sad sops mistakes (which are great bikes) for really cheaply.

I'll tell you what I got, from craigslist.org

A Bridgestone RB-T for $175. This bicycle has everything I ever want or will need. And I didn't even have to LOOK for it. Unless someone steals it from me, I'll never replace it.

Don't PLAN on buying another bicycle, get a bicycle thatís sturdy and well manufactured that won't break. There is no such thing as a 'fast' bicycle, it all depends on you and your own legs!

Heinz Stucke has been riding for FOURTY years on his three speed bicycle, he's ridden more miles than Lance could dream of and he's done it on the SAME bicycle he started with. Sure, the frame broke once in a while, but he welded it back together. AND THATS AN EXTREME CASE.

Do you think you are going to race and make a living being a pro?

Then don't obsess over idiotic stuff like this! Go get a bicycle you want, and hey, go buy something for $1500 if you think you'll ride it for a good 10 years or more. The more time you spend on stuff like this is the less time you can spend enjoying yourself or exploring the world around you which is the whole point of getting the bicycle!

STOP THE HYPOCRISY!

*Proof people are idiots: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

Sorry if this cyincal and bitter, but common, $510 for some scraped off toast! People throw money away! Don't be the average mindless consumer!

But yeah, if your new to cycling, definitely get something used. A newbie shouldnít even spend $400 a bicycle, thatís just silly. Get a cheapy and NOTICE what you donít like about the bicycle, and when you get your real, life long buddy, make sure itís just for your own riding style. And Iím not talking about frame weight or anything like that, Iím talking about more about style. Mountain Biking, touring, whatever.

Just my two cents. Actually, if you read that, and spent so and so much money on a bicycle, I probably owe you like $5. Ouch.
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