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radroad 01-20-19 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by EdwinHeadwind (Post 20755101)
Not fixated, just using a handy example of the predatory online model. Two years ago they played no role in the grocery world, either.



Of course you will. Just don't pretend that eliminating bike shops is giving you more "option and control."

You're just yelling at clouds. Adapt or...

radroad 01-20-19 05:39 PM

I visited a coffee shop which used to be one of my favorites. A small "local-ish" chain. The employees used to be top notch. The coffee very good. And the theme of the cafe itself: super clean urban warehouse was just too cool for school. That was 3.5 years ago.

I visit again a few months back. Ugh. What happened? The barista's YELL at the patrons at the top of their lungs about the unruly crooked line. Yeah, you need customers to stay in business, stupid. And then the cashier expects a TIP for tapping a button on the iPad. What for?!? Any monkey can tap a button. I didn't tip. She pouts.

Not to mention the clientele has changed. Drastically. And not for the better.

Retail businesses with their expectation of tips are throwing themselves under the bus. But there are also other reasons why customers prefer to shop from home.

EdwinHeadwind 01-20-19 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by radroad (Post 20756745)
I visited a coffee shop which used to be one of my favorites. A small "local-ish" chain. The employees used to be top notch. The coffee very good. And the theme of the cafe itself: super clean urban warehouse was just too cool for school. That was 3.5 years ago.

I visit again a few months back. Ugh. What happened? The barista's YELL at the patrons at the top of their lungs about the unruly crooked line. Yeah, you need customers to stay in business, stupid. And then the cashier expects a TIP for tapping a button on the iPad. What for?!? Any monkey can tap a button. I didn't tip. She pouts.

Not to mention the clientele has changed. Drastically. And not for the better.

Retail businesses with their expectation of tips are throwing themselves under the bus. But there are also other reasons why customers prefer to shop from home.

I like how this whole thing boils down to, "I had a bad time at a hipster coffee shop, so screw local bike shops." But whatever. Enjoy your suburban ****geneity -- don't forget to tip your FedEx guy.

radroad 01-20-19 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by EdwinHeadwind (Post 20757041)
I like how this whole thing boils down to, "I had a bad time at a hipster coffee shop, so screw local bike shops." But whatever. Enjoy your suburban ****geneity -- don't forget to tip your FedEx guy.

The local bike shops are a joke. lol. $75+ to change out a chain. I took care of it for $30 (new chain, new tool), get to keep the park tool, plus I never had to take it in or wait.

I'll let the suckers deal with the bike shops. :-)

Enjoy bike shops while you can; they won't be 'round much longer.

EdwinHeadwind 01-20-19 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by radroad (Post 20757043)
Enjoy bike shops while you can; they won't be 'round much longer.

Will do. Have a nice Wal-Mart.

radroad 01-20-19 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by EdwinHeadwind (Post 20757105)
Will do. Have a nice Wal-Mart.

I don't shop at Walmart. And enjoy your $80 chain replacement lol

EdwinHeadwind 01-21-19 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by radroad (Post 20757113)
I don't shop at Walmart.

You will, once all your local merchants are gone.


Originally Posted by radroad (Post 20757113)
And enjoy your $80 chain replacement lol

$80, my ass. They probably quoted you that because of your charming personality. At my shop, the price of a chain ranges from $12 to $48, and installation is five to ten bucks -- free if it's part of a tune-up.

Look, I get it. You don't like to tip people. Everyone's out to rip you off, from the coffee shop to the bike shop. You get to claim a little victory over the system by ordering everything online, and you get a pleasant tingle when UPS pulls up and brings you a present. But when communities lose their independent merchants, they lose their identities. Real people lose their jobs, their investments, and their livelihoods. These are your neighbors. I know that right now nothing's more important to you than saving four dollars, but when your town's commerce is reduced to Home Depot, Wal-Mart, and CVS, you might wish you had supported some of the locals. But then again, you seem like the type who would be blissfully happy in whatever generic suburb gives you easy access to cheap gas and a Cracker Barrel. You've certainly earned it.

See ya.

radroad 01-21-19 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by EdwinHeadwind (Post 20757559)
You will, once all your local merchants are gone.



$80, my ass. They probably quoted you that because of your charming personality. At my shop, the price of a chain ranges from $12 to $48, and installation is five to ten bucks -- free if it's part of a tune-up.

Look, I get it. You don't like to tip people. Everyone's out to rip you off, from the coffee shop to the bike shop. You get to claim a little victory over the system by ordering everything online, and you get a pleasant tingle when UPS pulls up and brings you a present. But when communities lose their independent merchants, they lose their identities. Real people lose their jobs, their investments, and their livelihoods. These are your neighbors. I know that right now nothing's more important to you than saving four dollars, but when your town's commerce is reduced to Home Depot, Wal-Mart, and CVS, you might wish you had supported some of the locals. But then again, you seem like the type who would be blissfully happy in whatever generic suburb gives you easy access to cheap gas and a Cracker Barrel. You've certainly earned it.

See ya.

LOL, cry more. Change happens. Deal with it bro. More guys like you and we'd still be stuck with a horse and buggy and carrying a gallon of water on our heads from the one and only well 20 miles roundtrip. Adapt or GTFO.

OBoile 01-22-19 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by avole (Post 20754891)
The idea of tips was always to allow employers to give less to their employees than they were worth. In Europe that has been replaced by guaranteed minimum wages, holiday pay, health schemes etc so tips are no longer necessary.

I just got back from a trip to Europe for work. It was very refreshing to not have to worry about tipping.


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