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Old 01-20-19, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
The term BSO is often used by snobs.
And REBSO is used by working class bikers who usually drink cheap beer, and wear camouflaged caps
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Yes. AAMOF.

All those Amazon violins? 95% of them cannot be made to sound decent by professionals...forget about amateurs. The fingerboards aren't even glued on straight. They are literally "violin shaped" objects....that have all the best acoustic properties of a 2x4, a snow shovel, and a chalkboard. And no one on earth can make them pleasant to listen to.
Get a Yamaha violin and don't mess around.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Just to add, the fix to the Pinto would have cost $11 per car, and Ford decided it was better financially to absorb the projected damage payouts to fire victims rather than raise the price of the car to slightly above $2000. It was this vile calculation that led the juries to crush Ford with punitive damages.
Put a trunk on it and you have a Mustang II. Problem solved until the real 1979 Mustang came out, that was beautiful.

If you don't want a Pinto, get a Maverick and get a V8.
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Originally Posted by Gresp15C View Post
Don't know about violins, but I'm a double bassist, and "BSO" has referred to "bass-shaped object" in the bass community since forever. There are basses that are likely to be of such shoddy quality, that they can't be brought into decent playable condition, and will quickly deteriorate beyond repair. Of course the term is controversial, and because quality is related to consistency, some of these basses will in fact work out OK for their owner. However, the fact that it's hit or miss is considered by some to be unacceptable. Repairs for these instruments can often cost more than the original purchase price, and some shops won't repair them at all. And the expense of returning such an instrument to the maker could be prohibitive.

When folks protest: "But this is all I can afford," it's sad, but it probably means the person really can't afford any instrument. Naturally, this is controversial, and the folks who advocate higher quality instruments are accused of snobbery etc. An instrument that I'd comfortably recommend to a beginner would start out around $1500, made in China.

Sound familiar?
Good grief. look on Craigslist, there are a lot of decent basses out there and at a decent price because someone is broke.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Get a Yamaha violin and don't mess around.
Depends on what you mean by "mess around". Also depends on what quality if violin you're shopping for. Yamaha makes everything from beginner kits to decent advanced instruments....although generally if you're in that advanced/advancing tier or players--you're shopping artisan instruments and not a factory one.
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Nice that someone here gets it, and I can't imagine how cyccommute and Troul perceive pretension when the product is aimed at industrial use. And I think that one of the selling points not mentioned on their site is that no special tools or fixtures are required to service them, and no exotic training for the maintenance workers. This also makes them ideal for use in third-world conditions. Read all the specs and options.

Really, though, this is a slightly overbuilt--okay, very overbuilt (*cough*3/16" chain*cough*) version of the balloon cruisers that everybody knew so well in the '40s and '50s in America. And unless I'm mistaken, the pioneers of mountain-biking began with just those bikes, stripped of their fenders and other flotsam.
What is the “industrial use” of the Workman Paperboy bike? You could make an argument for one of their Low-gavity bikes but there’s not much call for the heavy overbuilt Paperboy. The Paperboy, as it sits, is not built for carrying anything so it doesn’t need to be overbuilt.
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If I'm looking for a durable cycle that can carry a load, pull a load, not be mistaken as a steamroller or 1958 Fury I'd opt for a modern trike.
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Originally Posted by Wileyrat View Post
An avid cyclist looks at a bso the same way an audiophile looks at a clock radio.

They both sort of work....For a while...And not particularly well.
My clock radio is a Pioneer audio timer powering up a small Pioneer receiver and a pair of Infinity RS-4000s with Pioneer 8" woofers, reworked tweeter spots because I didn't have the EMITs and I finally got the midranges refoamed. They are badged Pioneer to match the 4-way Pioneers up front with 70s, 80s and 90s mids and dual woofers but Onkyo tweeters because one of the Pioneers got busted and with the active crossovers the sound actually fell into place so well I was overjoyed and left it that way. I could patch them all together for 5.1, I've done it before and it was awesome. The only problem is that I can't start up the AV receiver and keep the same output because it would reset when depowered. Bummer.

To me, BSO means Boston Symphony Orchestra.

And yes, I not only repair or homebrew my speakers, I'm NUTS.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Good grief. look on Craigslist, there are a lot of decent basses out there and at a decent price because someone is broke.
Upright basses? I should have been more specific. What do you consider a decent price?
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If I'm looking for a durable cycle that can carry a load, pull a load, not be mistaken as a steamroller or 1958 Fury I'd opt for a modern trike.
No need for the third wheel. These bikes are durable, can carry or pull a large load and don't look like steamrollers

Like this one on the north rim of the Grand Canyon

DSCN0027 by Stuart Black, on Flickr

Or this one in Arkansas

IMGP1691 by Stuart Black, on Flickr

Or this one in upstate New York

2015-05-03 11.38.54 by Stuart Black, on Flickr

Or this one bombing down dirt mountain roads in Colorado

DSCN1144 by Stuart Black, on Flickr

Or this one carrying 60 lbs of new tools to work

Refuel by Stuart Black, on Flickr

I dare say that each of those bikes is capable of carrying as much as a Workman Low Gravity or the Workman Paperboy and in more varied conditions. I'm not sure I would use any Workman bicycle to ride around Lake Erie or through the center of the Appalachian mountains or off-road in Colorado.

Nor would I expect the Workmans to do as many miles. The gray Cannondale has nearly 10,000 miles carrying loads of up to 60 lb. The white Cannondale has 2000 miles under similar conditions. The white mountain bike had 4000 miles on it before I retired it but only a few hundred miles pulling a load. None of those bikes above is "delicate" nor are they treated with kid gloves. I expect to get at least 10 to maybe 100 times that mileage out of them before they end up in a landfill. I wouldn't expect a Workman of any flavor to attain 2000 miles of use, much less 20,000 miles.
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Put a trunk on it and you have a Mustang II. Problem solved until the real 1979 Mustang came out, that was beautiful.

If you don't want a Pinto, get a Maverick and get a V8.
A 1979 Mustang is a "real" Mustang Are you sure you don't mean a 1972 Mustang? The third generation Mustang was just a fugly as the second generation...

I'll take that back. After looking at pictures, the Mustang II actually had some styling. The 79 Mustang is the fugly one.
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The term BSO is often used by snobs.
No, it's used by people that know the difference between a quality bike and a piece of crap.
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Workman bikes are often bought by employers to be ridden by their employees, who can't be presumed to know or care anything about riding and/or maintaining bikes.

I suspect that one of the benefits of over-building them is that making them so heavy greatly reduces the temptation for the employees to joyride and/or see how fast they can ride them on or off the warehouse/factory floor. Somehow, I don't see Boeing wanting its workers deadheading back to the parts area at 20+ mph inside the factory.
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Is anyone here SERIOUSLY suggesting that a Worksman Cycles bike is a BSO?

Wow.

Only on BF.
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It is not snobbery. A BSO is a crappy bike. if your bike, regardless of where you got it or how much you paid, is Not a crappy bike, it is not a BSO.

If you have a bike you'd call a BSO and like -it it is still a great ride ... a great BSO.

If you Really care what other people call your bike, stay home and hug a teddy bear or something. Everything will work out fine.
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Is there such thing a TBSO? Teddy Bear Shaped Object
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Is this a BSO? It has cranks, a chain, and wheels, but I'm having a hard time assimilating the shape ...

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Is this a BSO? It has cranks, a chain, and wheels, but I'm having a hard time assimilating the shape ...

"I don't know what you would call that."--Ms. Mia Wallace


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Is this a BSO? It has cranks, a chain, and wheels, but I'm having a hard time assimilating the shape ...

The least bikey thing about that is its shape.

Look ma! No diamonds!
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What is the “industrial use” of the Workman Paperboy bike? You could make an argument for one of their Low-gavity bikes but there’s not much call for the heavy overbuilt Paperboy. The Paperboy, as it sits, is not built for carrying anything so it doesn’t need to be overbuilt.
I'll admit that an unadorned two-wheeler doesn't make much sense for anything but rushing paperwork around. I'd expect the Newsboys to be equipped with a rack at the least, but the LGs and the three-wheelers make more sense for industrial use. The three-wheelers would be a natural for factory maintenance.

I think they're all overbuilt because they'll be used by uncaring individuals, given little attention and maybe even some deliberate abuse. I can picture a factory worker snarling about having to pedal while the bosses breeze by on electric golf carts.
"Wow, how'd that frame get bent?"
"I don't know; it was like that when I found it."
"Right. Well, I'm not gonna say anything, but here, put your foot up against it here and pull there while I hold it ... a little more ... okay, that looks good enough."

Worksman doesn't say, but I suspect that these are built of fairly soft low-carbon steel. It needs to be a fraction thicker for strength, but it's cheaper and has the advantage that it will deform more without cracking--and can be bent back into shape. This will give the buyer's rolling stock a little more longevity so it can be expensed off.
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I'll admit that an unadorned two-wheeler doesn't make much sense for anything but rushing paperwork around. I'd expect the Newsboys to be equipped with a rack at the least, but the LGs and the three-wheelers make more sense for industrial use. The three-wheelers would be a natural for factory maintenance.

I think they're all overbuilt because they'll be used by uncaring individuals, given little attention and maybe even some deliberate abuse. I can picture a factory worker snarling about having to pedal while the bosses breeze by on electric golf carts.
"Wow, how'd that frame get bent?"
"I don't know; it was like that when I found it."
"Right. Well, I'm not gonna say anything, but here, put your foot up against it here and pull there while I hold it ... a little more ... okay, that looks good enough."

Worksman doesn't say, but I suspect that these are built of fairly soft low-carbon steel. It needs to be a fraction thicker for strength, but it's cheaper and has the advantage that it will deform more without cracking--and can be bent back into shape. This will give the buyer's rolling stock a little more longevity so it can be expensed off.

Here's the other not-too-subtle point, if you make the bike nice enough to ride for pleasure, it might be pretty likely to go out a door with someone. If it's not big and clunky, people will just assume you rode in with it to work when you leave at the end of the shift.
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Heh. I had to take recorder lessons one year in elementary school. I had a Yamaha.
Professional recorder players (recordists?) spend $1000 and way up for an hand made wood recorder, at places like this: https://www.vonhuene.com/
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We're all on a forum with other bicycling enthusiasts and people interested in learning more about cycling and cycling equipment so I understand being skeptical of cheap discount store bicycles. However, by definition, ALL bicycles are "Bicycle Shaped Objects." Ride what you like and if all you have or can afford is an inexpensive ride from a discount store, ride it until you can get something else. Looking down on what people ride is just snobbery.
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Originally Posted by BrocLuno View Post
Is this a BSO? It has cranks, a chain, and wheels, but I'm having a hard time assimilating the shape ...

That's a NBSBSO, a non-bike-shaped bike-shaped object.
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I don't know why, but I saw something tonight and it immediately made me think about this thread. Excuse me if this has already been mentioned here...

For many people, bikes are their only mode of transportation. I'm not talking about people who choose to only bike, I'm talking about people who don't have a say in the matter. For instance, the homeless population - or other members of the population who can't afford a car. Especially in "rural" towns like the one I live in where there is no form of public transportation, having a bike may be the only way they can get around.

For a large number of those people, they can't just go to a local bike shop and pay out $1,000 on a bike. They're looking for something cheap and will do the trick. For many of them, Walmart (or other department store) bikes - eh, BSO's - fit the bill. They may find a Walmart bike on the curbside or trash somewhere and "adopt" it.

I think it's very easy to forget about that population. I met a guy tonight who was using a Diamondback mountain bike as his primary mode of transportation - rode it to a restaurant even though it's just around 32*F outside. At a former job I had, a guy rode his bike in the rain to my place of employment to inquire about a job.

Just because many people have Ferrari's doesn't mean there are people out there relying on Mitsubishi Mirages, Yugos, or Ford Pintos because that is all they can afford.
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