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Old 02-07-19, 08:15 PM
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Canyon or Giant?

Curious if anyone has experience with these. Iím looking at canyon ultimate / Endurace 8.0 DI2 or giant defy advance.

Of of course I have a local giant shop so thereís a + for giant. Canyon is order by mail so a - there. But, I do like the stealth look of the canyon and I donít see as many of them around my area either. Iím leaning heavy towards the canyon.

wanting a ride with disc, up to 28 / 32 wide tires, rides will be between 30 -100 miles maybe ? ( still shooting for my first century) but mostly will use it for event rides.

I currently ride a giant anyroad comax with 28ís gp4k on it. Love the bike but would like narrower handlebars maybe more aero rims a few other stuff. The plan is to keep my anyroad as my everyday commuter to work / train rides / throw gravel tires on it and itíll be my gravel adventure bike.

My next bike will be for events and road only. I do want more aero then my anyroad in the geometry section.
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Old 02-07-19, 08:39 PM
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I vote for the Canyon Endurace. I bought the Endurace CF SLX last February and have almost 7600 miles on it. I enjoy riding it and the ride great.
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Old 02-07-19, 08:44 PM
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I would vote Canyon also.
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Old 02-07-19, 10:14 PM
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I will say that the Canyon is a fine bike, I have never ridden one, however I own numerous Giant bikes, including the Defy Advanced and Advanced SL. Both are the older rim brake versions but I have ridden my Defy Advanced for 9 years and at least 30,000 miles. Very comfortable while being very sporty, it generally gets very good reviews in the press and
Giant generally is one of the better bang for the buck bike brands.

I say Giant.

If you want to take a look at the geometries and your fit coordinates, this tool could help www.velogicfit.com use the free frame finder tool and enter your data from your current bike to compare it to each of your options.

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Old 02-08-19, 04:17 AM
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Canyon has an excellent reputation in Germany. A bike is a bike and anyone can tune/fix it. Same with FOCUS bikes.
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Old 02-08-19, 08:27 AM
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I own a defy and think it's great.
But...
Originally Posted by Piperflyer View Post
Iím leaning heavy towards the canyon.
You should follow your heart here. What's the purpose of a bike really? To make you happy. Don't worry about which bike is slightly better or worse. They're both good I'm sure. Get the one that makes you happy.
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Old 02-08-19, 08:37 AM
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I own a defy and think it's great.
But...

You should follow your heart here. What's the purpose of a bike really? To make you happy. Don't worry about which bike is slightly better or worse. They're both good I'm sure. Get the one that makes you happy.
I like the way you think!
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We (well me, but its the kid's bike) bought a Canyon Spectral 8 (2018) right when it came out. It has been a good bike. However the aluminum chain stay started to crack almost immediately, and they were very good about replacing it. I think this might have contributed to a subsequent recall, in which they replaced the replacement as well. Both times, they sent out the chain stay and covered the expense of having a bike shop install it. They are a little bit slow with their email communication, so we had to follow up with a phone call. Apart from that, it has been a great bike, and they clearly stand behind their products.

They now have a showroom near LA.
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I will say that the Canyon is a fine bike, I have never ridden one, however I own numerous Giant bikes, including the Defy Advanced and Advanced SL. Both are the older rim brake versions but I have ridden my Defy Advanced for 9 years and at least 30,000 miles. Very comfortable while being very sporty, it generally gets very good reviews in the press and
Giant generally is one of the better bang for the buck bike brands.

I say Giant.

If you want to take a look at the geometries and your fit coordinates, this tool could help www.velogicfit.com use the free frame finder tool and enter your data from your current bike to compare it to each of your options.


i like this thanks! Kinda what I was wondering is more of the geometry between the both. I hear the canyon has maybe a more aero frame, but the defy might have more of a aero position.
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Since you are trying to get more efficient for longer rides, I would make a few suggestions/comments.

Consider getting a bike fit to help you achieve a comfortable and aero position. Your current bike has a considerably higher frame stack height and longer frame reach than your current bike. This may or may not be a problem for you. The dynamic fit bike will allow the fitter to make changes to your setup and have you feel them immediately while you are pedaling. This will result in very specific specifications for your setup which you can transfer to all your bikes so they all feel the same.

Second I would install largest tires your Anyroad can accept and use that as your gravel bike/rough road/bad weather bike. You will be spending all of your road training time on your new bike!

I have been down that path!

It looks like the two frames you are evaluating have nearly equal frame stack and reach so really a non factor.

Good luck, I do not think you can make a bad choice!

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Not sure what event rides are, but if its charity rides and the like- both those bikes are way more bike than needed.
get what you want and all, but both are past the mark where value and cost meet, if used for charity events and a century ride.


perhaps the new bike will lead you into more riding though.
with that- I'll say canyon every time(except if the decision is a bike with those gravel hover bars)
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Old 02-10-19, 03:23 PM
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My wife and I have both Giant FastRoad CoMax 1's and Canyon Roadlite CF 9.0 LTD. Since moving to FL 9 years ago we have purchased 6 Giants. Until Canyon came on the scene I would have said Giant would be my go to brand each time. The value for the $$ is amazing in Brand Name cycles. And if your preferred LBS carries the line so much the better. However, since Canyon now sells in the states, it' an all together different ball game. These guys waited to enter the US market, but did so with a lot of experience bucking the current state of bike sales. They offer a very well designed and spec-ed cycles for a fantastic price. If you are interested in my experience with them see my thread over in the hybrid forum. Well here goes.... a couple of new Canyon Roadlites

Good luck on whatever bike you end up with. You really can't go wrong..... Just buy and enjoy.
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Old 02-10-19, 04:06 PM
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Canyon's the new Apple.
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I hate Canyons website. Strange indeed..
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I hate Canyons website. Strange indeed..
hardly a cogent argument against Canyon bikes
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I like the idea of a local bike shop. Don't know how you feel about the one you went to. I bought a Giant ATX lite a few years back. It's a entry level bike, but with the Jones H-loop bars I put on it, I can't say enough good about it. Don't know anything about Canyon bikes.
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Aren't Canyon's aluminium frames still made by Giant, admittedly they are Canyon's own designs but you are sort of getting a Giant bike anyway if you buy one of their aluminium framed bikes. I think the carbon frame bikes used to be made by Giant but they became too expensive and so moved to a lower quality factory called Quest Composites.

I've seen reports of Canyon frames failing quite quickly even on the first ride at one point and they have lower weight limits and much shorter warranties than Giant bikes. Also here in the UK I've heard of quite poor service from Canyon. So my vote would be for Giant especially as you are supporting your local bike shop I assume.

As someone else has already pointed sometimes you just want a certain product based on styling or spec etc and you probably have to follow your instincts but if everything else was equal I'd go with the Giant bike. Admittedly some of the Canyon's look pretty stunning though.
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Odds are that is True. Giant got big as a multi-brand contract OEM manufacturer..

test ride both.. Your Dealer can always change small quibbles at Point of Sale..
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Originally Posted by DowneasTTer View Post
My wife and I have both Giant FastRoad CoMax 1's and Canyon Roadlite CF 9.0 LTD. Since moving to FL 9 years ago we have purchased 6 Giants. Until Canyon came on the scene I would have said Giant would be my go to brand each time. The value for the $$ is amazing in Brand Name cycles. And if your preferred LBS carries the line so much the better. However, since Canyon now sells in the states, it' an all together different ball game. These guys waited to enter the US market, but did so with a lot of experience bucking the current state of bike sales. They offer a very well designed and spec-ed cycles for a fantastic price. If you are interested in my experience with them see my thread over in the hybrid forum. Well here goes.... a couple of new Canyon Roadlites

Good luck on whatever bike you end up with. You really can't go wrong..... Just buy and enjoy.


i read read your article. Looks like some good flat bar bikes and I appreciate the customer service that canyon done for you.

I believe Iím going to pick a canyon. Now between ultimate and Endurace... some people complain about the compliance of that seat post. So since canyon offers that 30 day trial Iíll pick one and if I donít like it Ill send it back and exchange it.
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Originally Posted by alcjphil View Post
hardly a cogent argument against Canyon bikes
My comment clearly states that it wasn't against a Canyon bike. How did you miss that.?? Strange comment buddy. Strange indeed.... Ha. And what does cogent mean anyways.??
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The brand doesn't really matter between this two. Here in Taiwan, we know Giant makes some of the best carbons in the world. I picked my Cannondale because of looks and color. The group sets? Giant will always 1 up European and US brands at the same price, unless you get it at special discount. I am talking retail. There is a common complaint here in Taiwan about Giant bikes. And that is just the color schemes. It is now fashionable to have crayon, neon bright colors. Giant now has some but not every model. It also really depends on which model is convenient to purchase. Some models, are nothing special, but they are just harder to get in your city and thus you feel they are better. Some models happen to have a discount price in which you could use it for upgrades. These two brands are both good. See which offer a better price. If you order online you don't get to try it. Giant also makes a lot of frames for other companies. You need to love your bike to ride it.
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Aren't Canyon's aluminium frames still made by Giant, admittedly they are Canyon's own designs but you are sort of getting a Giant bike anyway if you buy one of their aluminium framed bikes.
If its Canyon's design, Canyon's look, and Canyon's spec list- then its a Canyon bike. It isnt 'sort of getting a Giant bike anyway'.
Same applies to anything that is contract manufactured.
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maybe that groundhog an be replaced , a groundhog app can just see how long these topics run, to judge how far away spring will be ..
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Canyon is having customer service difficulties I would avoid that brand, see:

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.canyon.com https://www.singletracks.com/blog/fo...tomer-service/
https://road.cc/content/forum/220815-dont-buy-canyon
https://www.bikeradar.com/forums/vie...php?t=13090559
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/t...tomer-service/
https://www.mtbproject.com/forum/top...-bike-problems

Well as you can tell their poor customer service is famous.
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I haven't ridden a mountain bike in years, but when I did, the Giant XTC was excellent for many years. Because of that, I am a Yuuuuge Giant fan.

You dance with who brung ya', is what I'd say.
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