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03-16-19, 09:26 AM
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HIIT is overrated, misunderstood, misused and unsustainable if done daily long term...1-2 high intensity sessions per week is plenty enough. Majority of physical activity or exercise should be lower intensity aerobic exercise...Most people lack a strong aerobic base and It's pointless to do HIIT without first building a strong aerobic base.. and the only way to build a strong aerobic base is through a longer duration lower intensity exercise.
03-16-19, 09:39 AM
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Yes, the law of thermodynamics makes sense, but it's 75% of the weight loss equation. Those who are insulin resistant or suffer from chronic inflammation find that the other 25% is where big changes can occur in overall health and weight loss. After all, we are not french ovens; it is a bit more complicated than raising the temperature of a gram of water (calorie).
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On the contrary......
The people trying to lose weight need to catch up, because I am not behind. I am actually miles ahead.
with 100% of my cycling being for the joy of cycling, and not doing it to lose weight. Neither do I need to carb load to crank out a 60+ mile ride..... and I don't need gels and sugary sports drinks etc...
60 miles just needs electrolytes.... It's amazing the things the human body can do when it is trained to run on fats, vs running on carbohydrates.
you all come here preaching main stream Myths, but when you look around the real world main stream diet ideology isn't exactly working.
Fasting was a game changer, no more bloating, flat stomach, It can be a tremendous weight loss, but a 3 day day fast with a healthy refeed can maintain a scale weight.
when ever you want to JOIN the better way of living, as in EAT TO LIVE, not LIVING TO EAT. your life will be better. All you need to do is research fasting. Start with a 72 hour fast. You won't die, but your first 72 hour fast will be the hardest thing you have ever done. old habits die hard.
You all balk and come with excuses. some of you can't even bring an argument, (like this post I am quoting) over something you have ZERO experience in. Haven't even tried it. so how can you tell me it doesn't work?
and then there is the many other people that say OMG you can't have coffee, or tea? Nope because it triggers the digestive system. They say but it's a liquid.
behind? Nope I am miles ahead..... I also won't ever be on blood thinners, or BP meds, or metforimin, sugar meds, I also don't deal with histamine issues. or glyphosate issues, I won't deal with hemorrhoids from over eating, I won't deal with a number of health issues all related to poor carefree diets.
Health, it's something you want, or something you don't want.... There isn't a doctor out there that can give it to you, because it all comes down to YOU, and your choices. I am not behind "as you claim"
I also won't start gaining weight if all of a sudden I take two weeks off from riding. My metabolism changes are not based on that. See winning.
The people trying to lose weight need to catch up, because I am not behind. I am actually miles ahead.
with 100% of my cycling being for the joy of cycling, and not doing it to lose weight. Neither do I need to carb load to crank out a 60+ mile ride..... and I don't need gels and sugary sports drinks etc...
60 miles just needs electrolytes.... It's amazing the things the human body can do when it is trained to run on fats, vs running on carbohydrates.
you all come here preaching main stream Myths, but when you look around the real world main stream diet ideology isn't exactly working.
Fasting was a game changer, no more bloating, flat stomach, It can be a tremendous weight loss, but a 3 day day fast with a healthy refeed can maintain a scale weight.
when ever you want to JOIN the better way of living, as in EAT TO LIVE, not LIVING TO EAT. your life will be better. All you need to do is research fasting. Start with a 72 hour fast. You won't die, but your first 72 hour fast will be the hardest thing you have ever done. old habits die hard.
You all balk and come with excuses. some of you can't even bring an argument, (like this post I am quoting) over something you have ZERO experience in. Haven't even tried it. so how can you tell me it doesn't work?
and then there is the many other people that say OMG you can't have coffee, or tea? Nope because it triggers the digestive system. They say but it's a liquid.
behind? Nope I am miles ahead..... I also won't ever be on blood thinners, or BP meds, or metforimin, sugar meds, I also don't deal with histamine issues. or glyphosate issues, I won't deal with hemorrhoids from over eating, I won't deal with a number of health issues all related to poor carefree diets.
Health, it's something you want, or something you don't want.... There isn't a doctor out there that can give it to you, because it all comes down to YOU, and your choices. I am not behind "as you claim"
I also won't start gaining weight if all of a sudden I take two weeks off from riding. My metabolism changes are not based on that. See winning.
03-16-19, 02:38 PM
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I've tried fasting 22-23 hours a day by having one meal per day. That worked for a while until I started exercising harder, then I became too light headed to continue throughout my day. I am NOT opposed to fasting as I still fast between the hours of 6:00 P.M. and noon the next day. For me that's manageable.
I've lost 36.5 pounds since last Fall (around Thanksgiving) and plan to continue these new healthier habits.
I honestly think one of the problems with diets, per se, is that people go on them with unrealistic expectations hoping to lose in months, or even weeks, what's taken years to accumulate. A friend of mine's wife goes on some super-duper-insert-name-here diet every few years, but she never keeps the weight off. Last time she dropped 60 pounds
, which is commendable! However, she's put all of that back on and more. She was telling me over New Year's about her upcoming new diet plan. 
Well, quite frankly, if she's not willing to make some adjustments AFTER the big diet program, she may as not even go through with it. Why suffer needlessly? Not only that but she's going more harm than good by yo-yo-ing here weight around.
I've lost 36.5 pounds since last Fall (around Thanksgiving) and plan to continue these new healthier habits.
I honestly think one of the problems with diets, per se, is that people go on them with unrealistic expectations hoping to lose in months, or even weeks, what's taken years to accumulate. A friend of mine's wife goes on some super-duper-insert-name-here diet every few years, but she never keeps the weight off. Last time she dropped 60 pounds
, which is commendable! However, she's put all of that back on and more. She was telling me over New Year's about her upcoming new diet plan. Well, quite frankly, if she's not willing to make some adjustments AFTER the big diet program, she may as not even go through with it. Why suffer needlessly? Not only that but she's going more harm than good by yo-yo-ing here weight around.
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I need to be eating around 2700 - 3000 calories per day to maintain my weight at a lean 175 pounds. If I go below 2700 calories I start loosing weight... Some people can eat well below 2000 calories per day and are still overweight...2000 calories is not much, how could anybody be overweight eating so little ??... I think the quality of the calories is more important than the quantity and a very active lifestyle also helps.
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Well actually ... some can.
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03-16-19, 07:56 PM
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Correct, to benefit from HIIT, meaning either VO2 or threshold, you need probably a day off to build form (TSB).
Otherwise you’re going to miss your targets.
Now SS? All you can eat yo.
However, few non racer types are doing what I’d call real HIIT. Pulling the front for 2 min three times on the paceline ain’t nothing.
Go bounce it off the rev limiter for a TT or do some VO2 hill repeats. Did you almost vomit or taste pennies? Good, that’s HIIT.
I think some popular training outfits have softened the edge of HIIT making it a workout that’s fairly uncomfortable.
It should be wildly painful.
Otherwise you’re going to miss your targets.
Now SS? All you can eat yo.
However, few non racer types are doing what I’d call real HIIT. Pulling the front for 2 min three times on the paceline ain’t nothing.
Go bounce it off the rev limiter for a TT or do some VO2 hill repeats. Did you almost vomit or taste pennies? Good, that’s HIIT.
I think some popular training outfits have softened the edge of HIIT making it a workout that’s fairly uncomfortable.
It should be wildly painful.
03-16-19, 08:22 PM
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On the contrary......
The people trying to lose weight need to catch up, because I am not behind. I am actually miles ahead.
with 100% of my cycling being for the joy of cycling, and not doing it to lose weight. Neither do I need to carb load to crank out a 60+ mile ride..... and I don't need gels and sugary sports drinks etc...
60 miles just needs electrolytes.... It's amazing the things the human body can do when it is trained to run on fats, vs running on carbohydrates.
you all come here preaching main stream Myths, but when you look around the real world main stream diet ideology isn't exactly working.
Fasting was a game changer, no more bloating, flat stomach, It can be a tremendous weight loss, but a 3 day day fast with a healthy refeed can maintain a scale weight.
when ever you want to JOIN the better way of living, as in EAT TO LIVE, not LIVING TO EAT. your life will be better. All you need to do is research fasting. Start with a 72 hour fast. You won't die, but your first 72 hour fast will be the hardest thing you have ever done. old habits die hard.
You all balk and come with excuses. some of you can't even bring an argument, (like this post I am quoting) over something you have ZERO experience in. Haven't even tried it. so how can you tell me it doesn't work?
and then there is the many other people that say OMG you can't have coffee, or tea? Nope because it triggers the digestive system. They say but it's a liquid.
behind? Nope I am miles ahead..... I also won't ever be on blood thinners, or BP meds, or metforimin, sugar meds, I also don't deal with histamine issues. or glyphosate issues, I won't deal with hemorrhoids from over eating, I won't deal with a number of health issues all related to poor carefree diets.
Health, it's something you want, or something you don't want.... There isn't a doctor out there that can give it to you, because it all comes down to YOU, and your choices. I am not behind "as you claim"
I also won't start gaining weight if all of a sudden I take two weeks off from riding. My metabolism changes are not based on that. See winning.
The people trying to lose weight need to catch up, because I am not behind. I am actually miles ahead.
with 100% of my cycling being for the joy of cycling, and not doing it to lose weight. Neither do I need to carb load to crank out a 60+ mile ride..... and I don't need gels and sugary sports drinks etc...
60 miles just needs electrolytes.... It's amazing the things the human body can do when it is trained to run on fats, vs running on carbohydrates.
you all come here preaching main stream Myths, but when you look around the real world main stream diet ideology isn't exactly working.
Fasting was a game changer, no more bloating, flat stomach, It can be a tremendous weight loss, but a 3 day day fast with a healthy refeed can maintain a scale weight.
when ever you want to JOIN the better way of living, as in EAT TO LIVE, not LIVING TO EAT. your life will be better. All you need to do is research fasting. Start with a 72 hour fast. You won't die, but your first 72 hour fast will be the hardest thing you have ever done. old habits die hard.
You all balk and come with excuses. some of you can't even bring an argument, (like this post I am quoting) over something you have ZERO experience in. Haven't even tried it. so how can you tell me it doesn't work?
and then there is the many other people that say OMG you can't have coffee, or tea? Nope because it triggers the digestive system. They say but it's a liquid.
behind? Nope I am miles ahead..... I also won't ever be on blood thinners, or BP meds, or metforimin, sugar meds, I also don't deal with histamine issues. or glyphosate issues, I won't deal with hemorrhoids from over eating, I won't deal with a number of health issues all related to poor carefree diets.
Health, it's something you want, or something you don't want.... There isn't a doctor out there that can give it to you, because it all comes down to YOU, and your choices. I am not behind "as you claim"
I also won't start gaining weight if all of a sudden I take two weeks off from riding. My metabolism changes are not based on that. See winning.
But please, keep on preaching your fanatical dietary beliefs your faulty exercise advice. I'm sure you'll get lots of respect here. At the very least, it will be entertaining.
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Fasting was a game changer, no more bloating, flat stomach, It can be a tremendous weight loss, but a 3 day day fast with a healthy refeed can maintain a scale weight.
when ever you want to JOIN the better way of living, as in EAT TO LIVE, not LIVING TO EAT. your life will be better. All you need to do is research fasting. Start with a 72 hour fast. You won't die, but your first 72 hour fast will be the hardest thing you have ever done. old habits die hard.
You all balk and come with excuses. some of you can't even bring an argument, (like this post I am quoting) over something you have ZERO experience in. Haven't even tried it. so how can you tell me it doesn't work?
and then there is the many other people that say OMG you can't have coffee, or tea? Nope because it triggers the digestive system. They say but it's a liquid.
when ever you want to JOIN the better way of living, as in EAT TO LIVE, not LIVING TO EAT. your life will be better. All you need to do is research fasting. Start with a 72 hour fast. You won't die, but your first 72 hour fast will be the hardest thing you have ever done. old habits die hard.
You all balk and come with excuses. some of you can't even bring an argument, (like this post I am quoting) over something you have ZERO experience in. Haven't even tried it. so how can you tell me it doesn't work?
and then there is the many other people that say OMG you can't have coffee, or tea? Nope because it triggers the digestive system. They say but it's a liquid.
And I can have my coffee.
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Edit (for those that have high blood sugar /cognitive issues) This post was my REPLY to the caffeine drinker. That coffee will catch up with them someday. However, I am glad you are bashing me for it, since I don't do coffee/caffeine. Which technically means you are bashing someone else and not me. LOL
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Sorry, I know I said I was butting out, but I'm going to have to repeat myself because you are actually spouting dangerous nonsense. You clearly have found some pseudo-scientific rationalization of an eating disorder. You are convincing no one of anything other than you need professional help.
I'm very serious about this, we will be doing you no favors by humoring you. You will likely damage your heart if you really are doing what you are claiming here.
It's painfully obvious that you are desperate to validate your rationalizations by convincing someone. That suggests to me that at some level, you know you're in for trouble.
That line between rigorous training and nutrition vs. compulsive behavior and anorexia, you crossed it a few miles back. I've seen what happens when people go down this path, it doesn't end well.
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The context is that you just said you do daily high intensity intervals while fasting for 72 hours. Doing daily hiit isn't a good idea because you can't properly recover. But doing them daily without calories or protein? C'mon.
The context is you rail on irrationally when somebody suggests they like food, and you clearly are desperate to convince everyone of the evils of food. Now you are going on about how drinking coffee is going to cause a made-up disease. https://blog.cedars-sinai.edu/debunk...renal-fatigue/
Your behavior on this thread is not normal. My guess is that people in your personal life have either become alienated or are expressing concern, and you feel threatened by that, which is why you are so desperate to convince a bunch of strangers. I don't know you, but I really hate to see anyone so obviously heading for a disaster.
The context is you rail on irrationally when somebody suggests they like food, and you clearly are desperate to convince everyone of the evils of food. Now you are going on about how drinking coffee is going to cause a made-up disease. https://blog.cedars-sinai.edu/debunk...renal-fatigue/
Your behavior on this thread is not normal. My guess is that people in your personal life have either become alienated or are expressing concern, and you feel threatened by that, which is why you are so desperate to convince a bunch of strangers. I don't know you, but I really hate to see anyone so obviously heading for a disaster.
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I'm pretty sure I have not told you anything you have not heard from people who know you. I've been very clear, and am not going to humor you by acting like your arguments are anything but symptoms. You need help. Please get it.
03-16-19, 10:28 PM
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I don't know any beer guzzling, pizza eating , metformin swallowing, over weight people though...I don't hang with them types. so No, your words are new to me.
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I wish you well. I have no idea what metformin is, and haven't had a beer in 37 years. If it makes you feel better to make up the other stuff about me, knock yourself out. Anything other than taking a hard look at yourself, I suppose.
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easy for you to lose weight when you operate on caffeine stimulated adrenals... but when your adrenal glands finally fatigue, and you find yourself insulin resistant due to running on adrenaline. It will blow up on you.
Edit (for those that have high blood sugar /cognitive issues) This post was my REPLY to the caffeine drinker. That coffee will catch up with them someday. However, I am glad you are bashing me for it, since I don't do coffee/caffeine. Which technically means you are bashing someone else and not me. LOL
Edit (for those that have high blood sugar /cognitive issues) This post was my REPLY to the caffeine drinker. That coffee will catch up with them someday. However, I am glad you are bashing me for it, since I don't do coffee/caffeine. Which technically means you are bashing someone else and not me. LOL
Given that adrenal fatigue doesn't actually exist, I think I'll stick with my 3 cups of coffee a day.
A question, however, how old are you?
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easy for you to lose weight when you operate on caffeine stimulated adrenals... but when your adrenal glands finally fatigue, and you find yourself insulin resistant due to running on adrenaline. It will blow up on you.
Edit (for those that have high blood sugar /cognitive issues) This post was my REPLY to the caffeine drinker. That coffee will catch up with them someday. However, I am glad you are bashing me for it, since I don't do coffee/caffeine. Which technically means you are bashing someone else and not me. LOL
Edit (for those that have high blood sugar /cognitive issues) This post was my REPLY to the caffeine drinker. That coffee will catch up with them someday. However, I am glad you are bashing me for it, since I don't do coffee/caffeine. Which technically means you are bashing someone else and not me. LOL
I assume that incoherent "edit" is supposed to be aimed at me. My point was simple- you were attacking a person's coffee use by claiming it will lead to a completely fictional organ failure after posting a bunch of stuff which together add up to a real recipe for heart failure. Heart failure is a real thing, adrenal failure is not.
No one said anything about your coffee use.
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Only 3 cups? I probably do twice that on average, and tho I've been accused of being an adrenaline junkie "adrenal fatigue" is new to me. I think if it hasn't happened by now - at near 60 - it's not likely to happen at all.
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Yeah, I just learned the term a couple weeks ago. If you Google it, it's a bugaboo touted by quacks. My pet yeti has a terrible case of it, and my unicorn is showing symptoms.