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Old 03-10-19, 11:06 AM
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How come there isn't any normal saddle invented?

Had no other choice but to use Selle Anatomica. The leather seems comfortable on the sit bones, but the widest part of the metal frame outer edge still puts too much pressure aganst the thigh bones.
And in case of ebikes when ridden on assisted mode all the weight is on the saddle and not the pedals which gets rarely talked about, but that would fit more into different forum section though. Asking about saddles in general for now.
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Old 03-10-19, 11:18 AM
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Old 03-10-19, 11:38 AM
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More upright position calls for a wider seat.
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Q: How come there isn't any normal saddle invented

People don't come out of factories ? our needs are individual.. so many companies make thousands of saddles ..


any new bike has a saddle to complete it's assembly , it may be considered normal for that bike ,
but you really don't have to keep that one..


99 saddles to try on the bike .. (to the tune of "99 bottles of beer on the wall" )






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Butt is to saddle what foot is to shoe. There is no normal.
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What's normal?
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Originally Posted by sysrq View Post
...Selle Anatomica. The leather seems comfortable on the sit bones, but the widest part of the metal frame outer edge still puts too much pressure aganst the thigh bones...
If yours hasn't already been modified, try the lacing method to retain the shape of the saddle skirt or edges. Most folks I know locally who ride Selle Anatomica have done that, even the smaller and lighter riders. So have a few Brooks users, although the stiffer Brooks leather seems to retain shape longer without the lacing trick.

Regarding saddles overall, I've found I can ride almost any saddle as long as the angle, fore/aft position and handlebar height are appropriate. I like Selle Italia and Selle San Marco narrow road bike saddles, but only if the bike fit is set up appropriately -- usually with the stem/handlebar fairly low. Otherwise those saddles can feel like an @$$ hatchet after 20-40 miles.

Since 2016 my Univega hybrid has had flat, then riser and now albatross handlebars. The stem has gone from a dirt drop type with upward angle to a 125mm long more or less right angle road bike stem. The bike started with a cushy comfort saddle that was fine when the bike was set up more upright. When I switched to an albatross bar at lower height with longer stem, the bike was more comfortable with a narrow road bike saddle with fairly thin padding but a split, fairly flexible shell. Over the past few months I've tweaked the fit. Lowering the stem/bar height reduced what little discomfort I had in the sit bones and perineum.

But if my old neck injury starts aggravating me again I might need to raise the stem/bar. In which case I'd switch to a more padded, slightly wider saddle. Or the Selle Anatomica, although I'm too much of a cheapskate to spend that much on a saddle. I usually shop the bargain bin for discontinued saddles, which makes Selle Italias a bargain -- they revise the same handful of designs every year, dub 'em with a new name, and slash the prices on the previous year models. Great for us cheapskates.
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My conspiracy theory is the saddle manufacturers are in cahoots with cycling clothing manufacturers so we have to buy padded shorts to sit on their torture devices. Or I just use a Brooks and can ride with or without a chamois.
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All saddles are ok. It's the people that aren't normal.
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Old 03-11-19, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
What's normal?
Fabric Scoop.

https://fabric.cc/

Nice, good looking, durable, comfortable, models for every price range and type of riding, etc.

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Old 03-11-19, 07:13 AM
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Get a lot stronger and thinner then you won't have to worry about as much saddle pressure.

.........I'm joking. Some local bike fitters can do a map for saddle fitment and make a good recommendation. That's the way I'd go if I ever had routine discomfort.
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Old 03-11-19, 07:19 AM
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try touring saddles on a road bike, wide, comfy, padded. used to get mine from nashbar, until they dropped it. racing saddles feel like riding a plank and may be why many don't bother riding road bikes or all kinds of bikes. a saddle with a good ergonomic groove in the center completes the picture.
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I recently bought a Prologo Dimension saddle.

So far I have only used it on my C60. The ride is comfortable over the long miles and there is no numbness on my “crucial bits.”

I am happy with it and will soon replace all my other long-nosed Prologo saddles.

https://www.prologotouch.com/prologo...ion-tirox-143/
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"And in case of ebikes when ridden on assisted mode all the weight is on the saddle and not the pedals"

This should not be unless you are very old (over about 85?) or have a disability. The motor should be strictly assist, primarily for going uphill. You should still be pedaling. If you hope to get any activity benefit from riding then not pedaling as you would a non e-bike will eliminate that benefit entirely.

As to saddles. The most popular saddle for upright bikes in Europe is likely the Selle Royale 8261. My personal favorite is a Brooks B67.
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Originally Posted by sysrq View Post
Had no other choice but to use Selle Anatomica. The leather seems comfortable on the sit bones, but the widest part of the metal frame outer edge still puts too much pressure aganst the thigh bones.
And in case of ebikes when ridden on assisted mode all the weight is on the saddle and not the pedals which gets rarely talked about, but that would fit more into different forum section though. Asking about saddles in general for now.
saddle on e-bikes rarely gets talked about because most don't consider e-bikes to be bikes. Get a motorcycle seat for your e-bike and ride it like a moped/motorcycle. or even better just get a moped
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Originally Posted by sysrq View Post
Had no other choice but to use Selle Anatomica.
How many saddle choices are there? Hundreds if not thousands. If you've got a more upright bike, perhaps look at what kind of saddles are used on some of the european city bikes.
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What's normal?
Nothing but a setting on the clothes dryer.
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I also use a Selle Anatomica on my road bike and a Brooks on our Tandem. My answer for uncomfortable saddles is just ride more. Take your allen wrenches with you on your longer rides so you can do some minor for aft or tilt tweeking to improve your ride.

Also with leather saddles, they can be broken in quicker if you really dampen the leather and than go riding. When they dry they'll be "customized" for your butt!
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
If yours hasn't already been modified, try the lacing method to retain the shape of the saddle skirt or edges. Most folks I know locally who ride Selle Anatomica have done that, even the smaller and lighter riders. So have a few Brooks users, although the stiffer Brooks leather seems to retain shape longer without the lacing trick.

Regarding saddles overall, I've found I can ride almost any saddle as long as the angle, fore/aft position and handlebar height are appropriate. I like Selle Italia and Selle San Marco narrow road bike saddles, but only if the bike fit is set up appropriately -- usually with the stem/handlebar fairly low. Otherwise those saddles can feel like an @$$ hatchet after 20-40 miles.

Since 2016 my Univega hybrid has had flat, then riser and now albatross handlebars. The stem has gone from a dirt drop type with upward angle to a 125mm long more or less right angle road bike stem. The bike started with a cushy comfort saddle that was fine when the bike was set up more upright. When I switched to an albatross bar at lower height with longer stem, the bike was more comfortable with a narrow road bike saddle with fairly thin padding but a split, fairly flexible shell. Over the past few months I've tweaked the fit. Lowering the stem/bar height reduced what little discomfort I had in the sit bones and perineum.

But if my old neck injury starts aggravating me again I might need to raise the stem/bar. In which case I'd switch to a more padded, slightly wider saddle. Or the Selle Anatomica, although I'm too much of a cheapskate to spend that much on a saddle. I usually shop the bargain bin for discontinued saddles, which makes Selle Italias a bargain -- they revise the same handful of designs every year, dub 'em with a new name, and slash the prices on the previous year models. Great for us cheapskates.
Thanks for prompt reply. The pain is almost right next to the thigh bones or pubic rami. Butterfly handlebars are perpendicular to headset, almost above to top tube giving about 70-80 degree position, 60 becomes too uncomfortable on Selle Anatomica. Was using some old german saddle before, found in a barn by accident and could ride it for more than 9 hours per day. It looked like this one but was in a better condition and less deformed. Probably that's the only shape that fits me.
Google: ''old antique vintage Germany Brown Leather Bicycle Bike Suspension Saddle Seat ebay'' first picture.
Not sure if generic suspension seatpost helps at all but it's there.

I'm cheapskate myself usually as well, just had a sudden phase of reckless spending.

Then there is Manta Saddle, but it needs something to stop sliding down from it, like some sort of a knob or raised bump similar to the one on scooter saddles, small enough to prevent interfering with the leg movement + concave shaped moving elements to prevent pressing too much underneath the thigh muscles.

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Originally Posted by CrankyOne View Post
"And in case of ebikes when ridden on assisted mode all the weight is on the saddle and not the pedals"

This should not be unless you are very old (over about 85?) or have a disability. The motor should be strictly assist, primarily for going uphill. You should still be pedaling. If you hope to get any activity benefit from riding then not pedaling as you would a non e-bike will eliminate that benefit entirely.

As to saddles. The most popular saddle for upright bikes in Europe is likely the Selle Royale 8261. My personal favorite is a Brooks B67.
Will have to use the ebike on hills and headwinds only even if it has a torque sensor.
For commuting between the towns activity is not important that much, only saving battery and maintaining consistent speed.
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
I think humans are just not smart enough. With the rise of AI, it will soon have the intelligence to design a perfect saddle for everyone of us.
Agreed, looks like it will be easier to invent time travel and teleportation based on quantum entanglement than a normal saddle.
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Originally Posted by Ludkeh View Post
I also use a Selle Anatomica on my road bike and a Brooks on our Tandem. My answer for uncomfortable saddles is just ride more. Take your allen wrenches with you on your longer rides so you can do some minor for aft or tilt tweeking to improve your ride.
I could ride more, but without a practical purpose it seems like a waste of chain, sprockets and tires.

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Also with leather saddles, they can be broken in quicker if you really dampen the leather and than go riding. When they dry they'll be "customized" for your butt!
Can't do that on brand new saddles since the will be no warranty anymore.
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Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rider View Post
saddle on e-bikes rarely gets talked about because most don't consider e-bikes to be bikes. Get a motorcycle seat for your e-bike and ride it like a moped/motorcycle. or even better just get a moped
Can't do that without a provisional licence + going to a gas station is kinda boring.
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