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mjac 05-16-19 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 20933205)
You need to work on your reading comprehension. Take a look back. It's right there.

My reading comprehension is just fine. I am getting tire of you all's false accusation you can not back up. It is not right there. The remark I made about Patronizing was to that fella "livedarklions." The guy who started this whole Race Baiting thing Highjacking my whole discussion into meaningless territory. Not you. So explain yourself if you can. You say you posed the question. Then you should have no trouble restating it. Restate the question and I will address it because your statement makes no sense because it was addressed to "livedarklions" the Race Baiter.

livedarklions 05-16-19 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 20933200)
The OP did not project on to others from his incident or generalize or repeat stereotypical BS about anybody who was not a direct participant in the incident.

Let us expand on the proper way to report bicycling incidents on BF.

If for example, I/you/someone posted "Three white middle-aged dudes wearing cowboy hats and tattoos a pickup truck threw beer cans at me and called me vulgar names" or "A suburban soccer mom in an SUV cut me off and called me vulgar names as she blew the horn at me."

What would you bet that the upstanding citizens of BF would NOT get immediately bent out of shape and hijack the thread with moralizing about the irrelevance of specifying, the race, age, or appearance of the perpetrators, or the type of vehicle etc.?

There are numerous posts on BF that include ranting all sorts of derogatory and insulting generalizations and stereotypes concerning the mental processes and anti-social behavior of pickup truck drivers, SUV drivers, soccer moms, non-urban residents and almost anybody who uses a motor vehicle instead of, or in the vicinity of bicyclists.

Don't recall seeing much instant heartburn of the PC types over such posts.

Y'know why you don't recall it? Because the closest I've ever seen to that sort of identification on these forums is people saying derogatory things about the drivers of pickup trucks, and as I recall, a whole bunch of people went all kinds of crazy about cultural stereotyping. And I'm pretty sure those complaints weren't from the people YOU would describe as "PC types."

texaspandj 05-16-19 01:42 PM

Posting their/or any race doesn't make you a racist, but if race isnt important no need to state it. I have no problem with you stating race provided you do it to every bad encounter. However, Ultimately when you ONLY state race in a bad experience you're further pushing that race as Bad. And therefore making people like you even more scared of that race. No wonder you were frightened.


In the future try not to be such a p***y and perhaps this won't happen to you again.

I-Like-To-Bike 05-16-19 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 20933227)
Y'know why you don't recall it? Because the closest I've ever seen to that sort of identification on these forums is people saying derogatory things about the drivers of pickup trucks, and as I recall, a whole bunch of people went all kinds of crazy about cultural stereotyping. And I'm pretty sure those complaints weren't from the people YOU would describe as "PC types."

I have no doubt that the people I would describe as overly sensitive "PC types" on BF have no issue with, or complaints about the cultural stereotyping of people who don't share their own "cultural" profile.

mjac 05-16-19 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 20933180)
what to do now is one thing. what to do next time is another. I'd report it to the police

when I see suspicious punks on a remote trail like that I speed up & stare them down. 230 lbs, plus bike, traveling at approx 26 mph, is nothing to mess with. as I get closer, I pick a line to avoid them, but narrow trails don't offer much room. in the past they have always let me by. if they move to block me, I'm taking one or more of them down with me & then we're gonna play. hard. I also carry bear spray

if were you, I would avoid that trail for a cpl weeks until those punks get into other trouble

oh, and turning around & passing the same punks again was a mistake

I basically do the same thing and one of them laid a shoulder into me the other day and then this happened.

It it is an up and back bike path. The only way to get back. Can't ride on Hayne Blvd. You would get killed.

indyfabz 05-16-19 01:52 PM

[QUOTE=mjac;20933224You say you posed the question. Then you should have no trouble restating it. Restate the question and I will address it because your statement makes no sense because it was addressed to "livedarklions" the Race Baiter.[/QUOTE]
My bad. Seems a post didn't make it through or not totally.

You wrote:

"I have found that people who occupy your position are indeed the Racists with their Patronizing Attitude. (Emphasis added.)

I tried to ask "Which race(s) am I prejudice towards?"

indyfabz 05-16-19 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 20933237)
I have no doubt that the people I would describe as overly sensitive "PC types" on BF have no issue with, or complaints about the cultural stereotyping of people who don't share their own "cultural" profile.

I do.

livedarklions 05-16-19 02:00 PM

Least fun thread ever.

mjac 05-16-19 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by texaspandj (Post 20933234)
Posting their/or any race doesn't make you a racist, but if race isnt important no need to state it. I have no problem with you stating race provided you do it to every bad encounter. However, Ultimately when you ONLY state race in a bad experience you're further pushing that race as Bad. And therefore making people like you even more scared of that race. No wonder you were frightened.


In the future try not to be such a p***y and perhaps this won't happen to you again.


I was just painting an accurate picture of what happened to put it into context. There was absolutely no Racial intent. That is what happened. That is who did it. That is not Racist. Those are facts. Now if I would have made a derogatory reference you and everyone else would have a point. But I did not. I stated the facts. I fear no one. But sitting there trying to decide when the level rose to the point you pull the trigger was a pain in the rear.

OBoile 05-16-19 02:03 PM

This thread just makes me remember how lucky I am to be living in a place that isn't so driven by fear and paranoia.

mjac 05-16-19 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 20933277)
Least fun thread ever.

Thanks to guess who.

livedarklions 05-16-19 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by OBoile (Post 20933282)
This thread just makes me remember how lucky I am to be living in a place that isn't so driven by fear and paranoia.

Where's that?

bruce19 05-16-19 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 20932976)
Fair enough. We disagree (just a little) and I appreciate how civil you're being about it. Some in this thread could probably take a lesson from that.

Thank you. Believe me, I've come to some modicum of civility by a long and arduous path. I remember someone who asked me what advice I'd give to my 20 yr. old self. I'm now 73 in June. My answer.....STFU and listen.

OBoile 05-16-19 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by livedarklions (Post 20933285)
Where's that?

Toronto.
It has never once crossed my mind that I might be assaulted on a bike path, or that I should have to carry a weapon. Or, that because there is some video of a guy shooting someone a few years ago, crime is "out of control". To me, that all just seems insane.

mjac 05-16-19 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 20933253)
My bad. Seems a post didn't make it through or not totally.

You wrote:

"I have found that people who occupy your position are indeed the Racists with their Patronizing Attitude. (Emphasis added.)

I tried to ask "Which race(s) am I prejudice towards?"

I am trying to return this discussion to a Civil level.
The statement you first quoted was addressed to "livedarklions" was it not? If so, your question makes no sense.

bruce19 05-16-19 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by OBoile (Post 20933282)
This thread just makes me remember how lucky I am to be living in a place that isn't so driven by fear and paranoia.

You live in the Antarctic?

rumrunn6 05-16-19 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by mjac (Post 20933249)
I basically do the same thing and one of them laid a shoulder into me the other day and then this happened. It it is an up and back bike path. The only way to get back. Can't ride on Hayne Blvd. You would get killed.

OK sorry then I can not relate or suggest any remedy. sorry. good luck be safe. sounds like they are escalating the contact & your next contact may be worse.

livedarklions 05-16-19 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by OBoile (Post 20933293)
Toronto.
It has never once crossed my mind that I might be assaulted on a bike path, or that I should have to carry a weapon. Or, that because there is some video of a guy shooting someone a few years ago, crime is "out of control". To me, that all just seems insane.

Beautiful city, great neighborhoods as I recall. Haven't been there in decades.

bruce19 05-16-19 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by OBoile (Post 20933293)
Toronto.
It has never once crossed my mind that I might be assaulted on a bike path, or that I should have to carry a weapon. Or, that because there is some video of a guy shooting someone a few years ago, crime is "out of control". To me, that all just seems insane.

I felt the same until a friend was threatened by a guy with a gun. And, then this same perp shot and killed someone. For those who ask , "But what are the chances?" I ask..."do you buy lottery tickets?" When I was involved in developing tests for recruits to the CT State Police Academy there was a thing called the "critical incident." You might be a State Trooper for 30 years and never draw your firearm but it you had to you better know when it was appropriate and what to do. I never carried until this came close to home.

bruce19 05-16-19 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by OBoile (Post 20933293)
Toronto.
It has never once crossed my mind that I might be assaulted on a bike path, or that I should have to carry a weapon. Or, that because there is some video of a guy shooting someone a few years ago, crime is "out of control". To me, that all just seems insane.

I felt the same until a friend was threatened by a guy with a gun. And, then this same perp shot and killed someone. For those who ask , "But what are the chances?" I ask..."do you buy lottery tickets?" When I was involved in developing tests for recruits to the CT State Police Academy there was a thing called the "critical incident." You might be a State Trooper for 30 years and never draw your firearm but if you had to, you better know when it was appropriate and what to do. I never carried until this came close to home.

bruce19 05-16-19 02:24 PM

Sorry. Don't know why it double posted.

FiftySix 05-16-19 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by OBoile (Post 20933293)
Toronto.
It has never once crossed my mind that I might be assaulted on a bike path, or that I should have to carry a weapon. Or, that because there is some video of a guy shooting someone a few years ago, crime is "out of control". To me, that all just seems insane.

I was there for work back in 2005. I remember being amazed at all the young women walking anywhere and everywhere with no escort or friends. I don't mean nice neighborhoods with jogging trails, I mean walking along regular public streets.

That is a rare sight in my city unless that woman is homeless or an immigrant, and the young immigrant women almost always are pushing a baby stroller.

livedarklions 05-16-19 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by bruce19 (Post 20933317)
Sorry. Don't know why it double posted.

Itchy trigger finger?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

If you click on edit, you can delete the repost.

mjac 05-16-19 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by bruce19 (Post 20933313)
I felt the same until a friend was threatened by a guy with a gun. And, then this same perp shot and killed someone. For those who ask , "But what are the chances?" I ask..."do you buy lottery tickets?" When I was involved in developing tests for recruits to the CT State Police Academy there was a thing called the "critical incident." You might be a State Trooper for 30 years and never draw your firearm but if you had to, you better know when it was appropriate and what to do. I never carried until this came close to home.

bruce19, these guys on here want to play word games and semantics and start a whole Race Baiting Discussion over the description of someone who committed a crime. Then there is reality. Boy named Tommy Giroir who I went to High School with, moved to the North Shore to get away from the New Orleans nonsense I suppose. Had a son. Quarterback of his high School football team. Dating the Coaches daughter. They were out on a Pier overlooking Lake Pontchatrain, Excon came up from behind them and beat him to death with a tire iron. Then ***** the Coach's Daughter. Close to Home. Reality. And we want to sit here and argue semantics.

Pilot321 05-16-19 02:58 PM

Crime, including violent crime has been going down throughout the U.S. for the last twenty years. I carry Pepper Spray, but mostly for dogs. I will only carry a gun if I have to ride into, or near the city for whatever reason. It is not very often. I avoid bad areas, and bad people like the plague, but bad things do happen in good areas.


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