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Old 06-04-19, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
I'm not going to name the brand because I don't want to be sued,
I'm calling B.S.

If the product was banned, then they would have no grounds for suing you for simply reporting this fact.

If the bike store stopped distributing the product for fear of its contents, they still would have no grounds for suing you for simply reporting this fact.

The simplest explanation: Fake facts invented as a pretext to push this:

Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
I was thinking more like this
https://store.ecosheep.com

I'll stick with paraffin, a.k.a, canning wax. It is so safe you can eat it and it will just pass right on through.
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Rose water is the answer to the OP's "problem".
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320216.php
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
I'm calling B.S.

If the product was banned, then they would have no grounds for suing you for simply reporting this fact.

If the bike store stopped distributing the product for fear of its contents, they still would have no grounds for suing you for simply reporting this fact.

The simplest explanation: Fake facts invented as a pretext to push this:




I'll stick with paraffin, a.k.a, canning wax. It is so safe you can eat it and it will just pass right on through.
I thought I would see something online about this product, but nothing. Perhaps the store isn't carrying it for other reasons.
NO store carries every brand. The fact remains that chemicals aren't good for your health, some of them in surprisingly small quantities, as evidenced by 79pmooney's post.

I'm actually surprised there aren't more green/organic/non petroleum based lubes, I think there would be a market for it these days. What about bees wax? Do any of the wax based lubes use bees wax?
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The other day I got a chainring mark on my calf, and now I have no leg. Buyer's beware.
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Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
I thought I would see something online about this product, but nothing. Perhaps the store isn't carrying it for other reasons.
NO store carries every brand. The fact remains that chemicals aren't good for your health, some of them in surprisingly small quantities, as evidenced by 79pmooney's post.

I'm actually surprised there aren't more green/organic/non petroleum based lubes, I think there would be a market for it these days. What about bees wax? Do any of the wax based lubes use bees wax?
I don't want to hijack this rather strange thread into a debate about acetone or whatever, but liver cleanses are complete quackery and I wouldn't take much from that story in terms of evidence. The statement that "chemicals aren't good for your health" is on its face, absurd. We are composed entirely of chemicals and elements. Some chemicals are harmful, others not, and some are only harmful in such huge quantities as to likely never to be encountered.

Frankly, if you're not willing to name the lube, I see no point in this thread.
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Old 06-04-19, 08:10 AM
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I have news for you. Paraffin is a long chain hydrocarbon. Not likely to get absorbed into the skin though. I don't worry about the solvent in chain lube since the amount used is small but don't like the smell so park the bike outside the house and let it evaporate before storing the bike inside.

If you want a good example of acetone exposure look at a nail salon. I remember walking past the open door to one of them in town and smelling acetone so strong I wondered how the patrons and salon personnel could stand being it that atmosphere 8 or more hours a day. Probably worth for the employees to have their livers checked once in a while.
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This is really the only other one I could find in a google search, apart from a white lightning variant.

https://biokleenhome.com/product/chain-parts-lube/

The sheep oil people have done a good marketing job, it comes up dozens of times.
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Old 06-04-19, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I don't want to hijack this rather strange thread into a debate about acetone or whatever, but liver cleanses are complete quackery and I wouldn't take much from that story in terms of evidence. The statement that "chemicals aren't good for your health" is on its face, absurd. We are composed entirely of chemicals and elements. Some chemicals are harmful, others not, and some are only harmful in such huge quantities as to likely never to be encountered.

Frankly, if you're not willing to name the lube, I see no point in this thread.
Like I said, I don't want to be pursued by a big corp.

I suspect its probably not the only one to be unhealthy as most specialized lubes have complicated chemistries. There may well be a point in looking at other lubricants not only for reasons of personal health but also for the health of the planet.
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Name the product or get off the internet. Troll/Spammer
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Name the product or get off the internet. Troll/Spammer
No.

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Old 06-04-19, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
Was in my local lbs today and asked for a popular brand of chain lube that I had been using. Was told they no longer carried it because of health hazard, It gets into your blood through your skin and causes problems. I didn't find anything on line, so I am curious about this. I'm not going to name the brand because I don't want to be sued, but does anybody else know of this problem?
I spent my 40 year career evaluating the hazard potential of chemical hazards, both toxicological as well as physical. If you are indeed curious about what precipitated the concerns of your LBS, I'd be glad to review the info available for that specific product and give you an opinion. PM me with the product name. I know you don't want to name names publicly, so I won't blab either.

Better yet, why don't you post a list of 5 or more chain lube products, one of which is the supposedly bad one. I'll review them all.
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Old 06-04-19, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
I'm calling B.S.

If the product was banned, then they would have no grounds for suing you for simply reporting this fact.

If the bike store stopped distributing the product for fear of its contents, they still would have no grounds for suing you for simply reporting this fact.

The simplest explanation: Fake facts invented as a pretext to push this:

Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
I was thinking more like this
https://store.ecosheep.com

I'll stick with paraffin, a.k.a, canning wax. It is so safe you can eat it and it will just pass right on through.

I'll add that I'm a chemist, too, and will be happy to help.
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Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
Like I said, I don't want to be pursued by a big corp.

I suspect its probably not the only one to be unhealthy as most specialized lubes have complicated chemistries. There may well be a point in looking at other lubricants not only for reasons of personal health but also for the health of the planet.
I recommend you don't drink it. Otherwise, this is a bs thread as we have no reason to assume that an unidentified product is hazardous for unidentified reasons. People make all sorts of stupid claims, I'm still waiting for all the soy I eat to give me boobs.
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Thanks for sharing OP. I will immediately stop using [redacted], since I don't want [redacted] to develop on my [redacted].
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Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
Thanks for sharing OP. I will immediately stop using [redacted], since I don't want [redacted] to develop on my [redacted].


Is this a thread or a Mad Libs game?
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I’m calling BS on this story.

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Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
Baby oil is light mineral oil with some fragrance in it. When testers are doing chain testing for wear, elongation, etc, the chain lube of choice? Mineral oil.

Out in the real world, baby oil or mineral oil don't work well because it's not chain lube. No friction modifiers, etc. It won't last. But it will work. Vaseline would work too.
“Mineral oil” is the friction modifier...as is any lubricant. It reduces friction between two metal plates. Whether or not it does it better than other friction modifiers is the key. But there is not just one “mineral oil”. It is a wide range of hydrocarbons of various chain lengths. The one in baby oil just happens to a bit more fluid than some of the other “mineral oils”. It’s slightly more viscous than kerosene or diesel oil which could be classified as “mineral oil” because it is produced in the same way as baby oil...i.e. as a petroleum distillate.

As for Vaseline, it is a soft wax which could also be classified as a “mineral oil” since it to is a petroleum distillate. It is very close to the factory lube used on chains. Vaseline would actually be a much better replacement for “factory lube” than oil which is too thin and flows off of the chain or canning wax which is too thick and doesn’t flow at all. The much hated White Lightning actually contains some soft wax in the mixture so it is closer to “factory lube” than either oil or wax.
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“Mineral oil” is the friction modifier...as is any lubricant. It reduces friction between two metal plates. Whether or not it does it better than other friction modifiers is the key. But there is not just one “mineral oil”. It is a wide range of hydrocarbons of various chain lengths. The one in baby oil just happens to a bit more fluid than some of the other “mineral oils”. .
I was considering using baby oil, but then I felt guilty when I thought about all of those poor babies.
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Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
I thought I would see something online about this product, but nothing. Perhaps the store isn't carrying it for other reasons.
NO store carries every brand. The fact remains that chemicals aren't good for your health, some of them in surprisingly small quantities, as evidenced by 79pmooney's post.

I'm actually surprised there aren't more green/organic/non petroleum based lubes, I think there would be a market for it these days. What about bees wax? Do any of the wax based lubes use bees wax?
I have some supposedly "environmentally safe" chain saw bar oil at home. Given that I've heard a number of recommendations for bar oil as a chain lube (apparent quite tenacious), this might fit the bill. I'll dig it out and post the name when I get home.
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Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
Was in my local lbs today and asked for a popular brand of chain lube that I had been using. Was told they no longer carried it because of health hazard, It gets into your blood through your skin and causes problems. I didn't find anything on line, so I am curious about this. I'm not going to name the brand because I don't want to be sued, but does anybody else know of this problem?

I think there are organic not pteroleum based lubes, (no, not olive oil) that are being marketed specifically for bicycle lube purposes.
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Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
I was thinking more like this
https://store.ecosheep.com
Sheep-based Eco Lube?

1. I'm not sure what that even means.
2. It probably seems a bit less eco-friendly to the sheep. Just saying.


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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
Sheep-based Eco Lube?

1. I'm not sure what that even means.
It is a euphemism for Astroglide.


2. It probably seems a bit less eco-friendly to the sheep. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by willibrord View Post
Like I said, I don't want to be pursued by a big corp.

I suspect its probably not the only one to be unhealthy as most specialized lubes have complicated chemistries. There may well be a point in looking at other lubricants not only for reasons of personal health but also for the health of the planet.
How is chain lube which I apply to the chain and never touch going to harm me? Seriously curious.

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