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Old 06-25-19, 02:49 AM
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Wow, long thread. Southwest Bike Trail here in Madison does have that flasher problem once in a while but it's not that bad. Trail gets a lot of commuters through inner town. My problem is the group rides of a dozen or more bikes. I stop and get off the trail to let them pass coming or going.
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Old 06-25-19, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post

If someone is going to run a red light to roll over a crosswalk, do you really think a flashing strobe is going to stop them? How would that even work? It's pointing the wrong way.
Did not run the light, was oncoming traffic, attempted left cross.
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Old 06-25-19, 11:24 AM
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That's great, turn your light off after you leave the intersection and re-enter the trail.
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Old 06-25-19, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoonrobot View Post
There's no good reason for strobes on a MUP, users of such fall into the following categories:

1. Was riding on the road and forgot to turn off when they got on the MUP
2. Use strobes 24/7 as a magic talisman to ward off any and all bad things that can happen to cyclists
3. "Look at me" pea-cocking

Users who should have strobes on the MUP:

1. Small children
2. Dogs
3. Pedestrians practicing drunkard's walk interpretive locomotion
It was pointed out to me by someone elsewhere that a small strobe or light helps him see riders rider approaching in the shade while he is in the sun. He is an older guy, probably more that 60 and wears glasses.

At 55 and effectively blind in one eye, I had to concede his point. Similarly, he conceded that there is a point, like everything else in life, where it becomes overkill.

Everyone wants to turn everything into a binary argument, intrinsic evil vs the beatific vision. I think there is room to compromise, even if the compromise isn't exactly as we would have it.

FWIW, I got on the trail last Saturday and forgot to turn off my L&M Urban 900 which was set on low/pulse. I rode several miles with some of the MACC guys until one asked me what kind of light it was - probably a polite way to suggest that I turn it off. Doh!


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Old 06-25-19, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
It was pointed out to me by someone elsewhere that a small strobe or light helps him see riders rider approaching in the shade while he is in the sun. He is an older guy, probably more that 60 and wears glasses.

At 55 and effectively blind in one eye, I had to concede his point. Similarly, he conceded that there is a point, like everything else in life, where it becomes overkill.

Everyone wants to turn everything into a binary argument, intrinsic evil vs the beatific vision. I think there is room to compromise, even if the compromise isn't exactly as we would have it.

FWIW, I got on the trail last Saturday and forgot to turn off my L&M Urban 900 which was set on low/pulse. I rode several miles with some of the MACC guys until one asked me what kind of light it was - probably a polite way to suggest that I turn it off. Doh!


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Like I've said above, it's strictly the combination of bright and fast strobing that's creating the problems. Slow blink rate is fine.
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Old 06-27-19, 07:43 AM
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I encountered a path moron today. Not one but two high intensity strobes. This under sunny skies and on an open path. The lights didn't appear too bad at first, but when I got into the focal area of his left light, it left me seeing spots for a few minutes. I guess these are the same kind of idiots that run around in boats with led light bars and a spotlight blaring everywhere they go.
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Old 06-27-19, 09:08 AM
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What ever happened to conversation and discussion?

It seem to me that one could simply ride up next to a person with a bright light and say, "Hey, that's a pretty bright light!" and have a conversation from there. If the person listens then you have won a friend. If not then your conscience will be clean.

Instead, nowadays we just go to the internet and call people morons and idiots.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
What ever happened to conversation and discussion?

It seem to me that one could simply ride up next to a person with a bright light and say, "Hey, that's a pretty bright light!" and have a conversation from there. If the person listens then you have won a friend. If not then your conscience will be clean.

Instead, nowadays we just go to the internet and call people morons and idiots.
Huh? This is pretty much only a problem when we're passing in opposite directions, so now I have to do a u-turn with my vision a little messed up, catch up to the guy and start a conversation? No thanks, I just tell them firmly but without insult to turn it off as we close the distance. My conscience is fine--it's the level of discourse appropriate to the situation. I've actually seen people look surprised it was bothering people and turn the thing off.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Day or night, high powered strobes are simply not needed on the rail trail out in the middle of nowhere.
I totally agree. Total distraction and annoying as hell. I wondered if those things could cause someone to have a seizure?
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Old 06-27-19, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
What ever happened to conversation and discussion?

It seem to me that one could simply ride up next to a person with a bright light and say, "Hey, that's a pretty bright light!" and have a conversation from there. If the person listens then you have won a friend. If not then your conscience will be clean.

Instead, nowadays we just go to the internet and call people morons and idiots.
I am pretty quick to strike up a conversation when the whole of the circumstances tell me it's the right thing to do. It wasn't the right thing to do with this moron.
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