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Old 06-23-19, 02:05 PM
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Salsa vs Surly vs MASI

Hello. I am new to this forum. I am looking for advice on a new all purpose bike. I typically have a 28 mile round trip commute with decent hills in Minneapolis along the Mississippi. I am considering the Salsa Marrakesh or the Surly Disc Trucker or the MASI-Giramondo. They are all within $100-$300 of each other. I also want to go on longer rides on the weekends eventually working my way up to a century. The one downside I have heard about the Disc Trucker is that it needs to be weighed down at all times which is not always convenient. I like the sifters on these bikes as the integrated sifter and break that is the trend these days is not the right fit for me. I would appreciate any advice.
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Old 06-23-19, 02:21 PM
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If you insist on bar ends shifters, there are several versions of the REI Co-op ADV you could add to your list. https://www.rei.com/product/122464/c...es-adv-32-bike
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Old 06-23-19, 02:24 PM
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The best thing to do is ride all three and make your opinion from that. I like Surly and Salsa and have owned a Surly DT (and now a Salsa Timberjack Ti). I liked my Disc Trucker a lot and it rode quite nicely even unloaded it wasn't so bad. I will say it wasn't light and I did need to change some parts to fit my taste and then ended up replacing that bike with a Co-Motion Cascadia frame that I built from the ground up. However I could say that about all bikes really. If I was to buy a bike I wouldn't keep it stock so typically I go for a frame and build it from there.

If you are not doing a lot of fully loaded touring these bikes might not be exactly what you want and you might look at something like the steel Jamis Renegades (Expat, Exploit and Escapade) or something like a Specialized Sequoia Elite or an All City Cosmic Stallion all of which are more in the adventure category. They can handle some weight but aren't designed for fully loaded touring so they have a better ride unloaded and are going to be a bit lighter with carbon front forks and can still fit some wide tires. Yes they do have STI levers and yes like you I don't like them a lot. However I can deal with them and if needed be I could replace them with something like the Gevenalle levers which you can get for hydraulics (you will just either need to replace the calipers or replace some hose fittings) which have a bar end or downtube style lever on the front so your brake lever is a brake lever and your shifting is close at hand and easy to sweep a cassette.

However in all these cases it comes down to you riding the bike. We can all wax poetic on the bikes but getting out and test riding them is the best thing to do to really know what you might actually want to ride.
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Old 06-23-19, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by stewartcycles View Post
I am considering the Salsa Marrakesh or the Surly Disc Trucker or the MASI-Giramondo.
These 3 bikes may be a bit too specific to loaded touring as compared to a more all-around bike that would better meet your needs. There are many searchable BF threads from others who have a similar bike in mind and are looking for advice. Here's a recent one:


help me choose a surly!

Several different makes and models are discussed - including some lesser-known brands that offer good value for the $$$.

Test-riding and buying from a LBS is the best way to make your decision.

Good luck.
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Those are all solid choices, though I'll echo the comment that they are all generally more touring oriented.

As for the rumor that the LHT needs to be loaded all the time... That's crap. I have several friends that use theirs as their bikes year round for all purposes, often with nothing more than a small tool kit attached. The only bikes that really *benefit* from having some kind of load are randonneur style, where you sort of always want something over the front wheel to help keep the steering from getting a little squirrely.

Of those three, and this is just me, I'd get the Giramondo just because I've been eyeing something a little more offroad oriented than my really nice bike. In terms of what you're looking at, Masi's Speciale Randonneur is probably closer to the other bikes you listed. Surly's Cross Check is a great bet based on what you're looking at, as are the Straggler and Pack Rat. Something like a Breezer Doppler or Kona Rove might be a great fit as well.
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Old 06-23-19, 06:26 PM
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The LHT is just too versatile to pass up. Surly has been making it without change forever and selling every single one. You can get it in disc or rim brake version. Truthfully I love cantilevers.
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I took a closer look at the Masi website - saw that they have a '700c' and a '27.5' (650b) version of the Giramondo that the OP mentioned. The 27.5 looks like a pretty flexible set-up with decent components - MTB triple crank with an 11-36 ten speed cassette (good gear range), TRP Spyre mech. discs (reliable and solid), tubeless-ready wheels in the 27.5" (650B) size that offers plenty of tire options.

The bike has lots of eyelets for fenders, racks, cages, etc. MSRP $1349 - good value and it can be set-up for road, gravel, or light trail riding.

It's not a light-weight, but probably under 30# which is ok.

Worth a test ride if you can find one.


https://masibikes.com/collections/ad...ondo-27-5-2019

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Coincidentally, a buddy of mine showed-up to this morning's group ride with one of these - Salsa Journeyman 650b

I recommended this bike to another person looking for advice - I had never seen one in-person until this morning. It's similar to the Giramondo but has an aluminum frame and carbon fork so likely a bit lighter.

$1199 with decent components (and the carbon fork).

My friend said it rides well and is comfortable.

https://salsacycles.com/bikes/journeyman/journeyman_sora_650

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CyclingAbout is a great website to explore in your search .
https://www.cyclingabout.com/best-touring-bikes-list/
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When did rigid MTBs with drop bars come into favor?
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When did rigid MTBs with drop bars come into favor?
The 90s, John Tomac anyone?
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When did rigid MTBs with drop bars come into favor?
c. 1987

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I like my Surly Cross-Check. I bought the flat bar version, Over time, I added a triple chain ring and Jones H bars, and I raised the riding position up a bit. I use it for light MTB use and commuting. It's my general purpose bike. The only thing that makes me cuss is trying to mount tires. The Alex rims it came with work great, but are very tight when mounting and dismounting a damn tire. Salsa and Surly are the same company. It all comes down to personal preference, not someone else's opinion
I looked into the Straggler too. It has discs and vertical drop outs, but I wanted a flat bar setup without having to change up the cockpit controls so much.
I also like the Surlys because of the (aesthetically/nostalgically pleasing) butted fork. Brings back memories of older bikes.
Frames are powder coated instead of painted (better for the planet)

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Originally Posted by stewartcycles View Post
Hello. I am new to this forum. I am looking for advice on a new all purpose bike. I typically have a 28 mile round trip commute with decent hills in Minneapolis along the Mississippi. I am considering the Salsa Marrakesh or the Surly Disc Trucker or the MASI-Giramondo. They are all within $100-$300 of each other. I also want to go on longer rides on the weekends eventually working my way up to a century. The one downside I have heard about the Disc Trucker is that it needs to be weighed down at all times which is not always convenient. I like the sifters on these bikes as the integrated sifter and break that is the trend these days is not the right fit for me. I would appreciate any advice.
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I honestly don't have issues riding the LHT unloaded, though it does ride "better," fully loaded. Run wider tires for a softer ride. That being said, all the bikes you are looking at are nice bikes. Only you can make the decision.
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Originally Posted by stewartcycles View Post
Hello. I am new to this forum. I am looking for advice on a new all purpose bike. I typically have a 28 mile round trip commute with decent hills in Minneapolis along the Mississippi. I am considering the Salsa Marrakesh or the Surly Disc Trucker or the MASI-Giramondo. They are all within $100-$300 of each other. I also want to go on longer rides on the weekends eventually working my way up to a century. The one downside I have heard about the Disc Trucker is that it needs to be weighed down at all times which is not always convenient. I like the sifters on these bikes as the integrated sifter and break that is the trend these days is not the right fit for me. I would appreciate any advice.
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Have an All-City Spacehorse (canti brake) that I built up with bar-end shifters...course it is a sport touring all-around bike, not quite as heavy duty as the 3 you have mentioned, but something similar would totally do what you're asking. I had initially inquired in my LBS that built this bike up if the LHT would do what I was looking for, sportive rides, with some touring, they steered me towards the SH for the more sporty ride, but of course it doesn't come equipped with your preferred shifter, but can likely be built up from frame/fork for very similar to the stock LHT. Just a thought.

For existing bikes out there equipped similarly to the LHT, that might not be quite as tour specific, I'd suggest the Kona Sutra. Comes with bar end shifters, brooks b17 saddle, full coverage fenders, and rear rack for $1500. Same 4130 frame and fork material as the LHT et al. I've only test ridden the Kona Sutra. It has a very pleasant ride unloaded from my observations. Felt sportier than a traditional touring bike, but is certainly up to the job.
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When did rigid MTBs with drop bars come into favor?
Have you been living under a rock?
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