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Gresp15C 06-28-19 08:42 PM

Man, my family has a trip to CO coming up. We can hang 4 bikes on the car. None of them are suited for rugged off-road, but this looks like it might just be halfway do-able.

cyccommute 06-28-19 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by Gresp15C (Post 21002489)
Man, my family has a trip to CO coming up. We can hang 4 bikes on the car. None of them are suited for rugged off-road, but this looks like it might just be halfway do-able.

Going up from the Winter Park side is probably a bit smoother than the Rollinsville side.

I’d suggest the Rio Grande Trail from Aspen to Glenwood Springs for a family trip. It’s long...almost 50 miles...but it’s all downhill from Aspen. You can even catch a bus from Glenwood that will carry your bikes up to Aspen. It’s the best 50 mile downhill ride you can do in Colorado.

Kapusta 06-29-19 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 21002508)
Going up from the Winter Park side is probably a bit smoother than the Rollinsville side.

Iíd suggest the Rio Grande Trail from Aspen to Glenwood Springs for a family trip. Itís long...almost 50 miles...but itís all downhill from Aspen. You can even catch a bus from Glenwood that will carry your bikes up to Aspen. Itís the best 50 mile downhill ride you can do in Colorado.

Thanks for posting these. These sound like rides I could get my better half and non-mtb cycling friends to do if we ever get out there.

Sorry, off topic......

Kickstands.

here hold my ha 06-29-19 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Gresp15C (Post 21002236)
Oddly enough, the place where they are the most useful is in my garage.

My husband would like me to stop leaning my bike against his car. However, when I suggested getting one of those stands for it, he was 'researching ideas', so against his car it leans. I wonder if a kickstand is one of the things he's researching...

spinnaker 06-29-19 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by here hold my ha (Post 21002799)
My husband would like me to stop leaning my bike against his car. However, when I suggested getting one of those stands for it, he was 'researching ideas', so against his car it leans. I wonder if a kickstand is one of the things he's researching...

How much research can it take?

Just get hooks for a rack for the garage. Bikes on kickstands take too much space and risk being knocked over.

Kapusta 06-29-19 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by spinnaker (Post 21002857)
How much research can it take?

On Bike Forums?

A lot.

wobrien 06-29-19 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by ksryder (Post 20999659)
This combination of bizarre punctuation, snobbery disguised as anti-snobbery, and casual misogyny, is peak bikeforums.

Yes, and I am a fan.

gnappi 06-29-19 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by spinnaker (Post 21002857)
>>SNIP<<

Bikes on kickstands take too much space and risk being knocked over.

I've NEVER had a bike get knocked over with a kickstand but from leaning? Many times. Even a stiff breeze will do it. Not me, but as usual YMMV.

wobrien 06-29-19 09:39 AM

I have never understood the aversion to kickstands. with all of the expensive gadgets that people put on their bikes many still resist kickstands. Do they weigh too much??? Give me a break. A filled water bottle weighs a lot more. I lose more weight than a kick-stand on an hour long ride. When I bought my CAAD 8 the guy was selling me all sorts of stuff but wouldn't sell me a kickstand. I don't think the store even carries them. I don't get it. I know that there are all sorts of contortions that you can do to get around having a kickstand but the resistance just seems weird to me. I suggest a rear wheel kickstand and live a good biking life.

xroadcharlie 06-29-19 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by wobrien (Post 21002992)
I have never understood the aversion to kickstands. with all of the expensive gadgets that people put on their bikes many still resist kickstands. Do they weigh too much??? Give me a break. A filled water bottle weighs a lot more. I lose more weight than a kick-stand on an hour long ride. When I bought my CAAD 8 the guy was selling me all sorts of stuff but wouldn't sell me a kickstand. I don't think the store even carries them. I don't get it. I know that there are all sorts of contortions that you can do to get around having a kickstand but the resistance just seems weird to me. I suggest a rear wheel kickstand and live a good biking life.

+1
Not only is a kickstand an essential accessory to all my bikes, I'm questioning the validity of a single leg kickstand when the two leg ones are much more stable and make it easier to clean and service my bike. I didn't know they still made them when I bought my bike last year. If I can find one locally I might switch out the single leg stand I have now for a 2 leg model.

Gresp15C 06-29-19 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by xroadcharlie (Post 21003017)
+1
Not only is a kickstand an essential accessory to all my bikes, I'm questioning the validity of a single leg kickstand when the two leg ones are much more stable and make it easier to clean and service my bike. I didn't know they still made them when I bought my bike last year. If I can find one locally I might switch out the single leg stand I have now for a 2 leg model.

Ooh, a new BF debate: 2 versus 1 legged kickstands!

I'm kidding of course. :)

hillyman 06-29-19 07:31 PM

I always loved the Pletscher Double but getting harder to use on today's frames and with disc brake cable/hose in the way on chainstay. I switched to the Montague rackstand and it's ok. Makes a double use out of it and saves weight over rack and kickstand.https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1ece9b5551.jpg

cyccommute 06-29-19 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by wobrien (Post 21002992)
I have never understood the aversion to kickstands. with all of the expensive gadgets that people put on their bikes many still resist kickstands. Do they weigh too much??? Give me a break. A filled water bottle weighs a lot more. I lose more weight than a kick-stand on an hour long ride. When I bought my CAAD 8 the guy was selling me all sorts of stuff but wouldn't sell me a kickstand. I don't think the store even carries them. I don't get it. I know that there are all sorts of contortions that you can do to get around having a kickstand but the resistance just seems weird to me. I suggest a rear wheel kickstand and live a good biking life.

In the hopes of discussion rather than an argument, hereís my perspective. Itís not about weight but utility. Iíve had many bikes with kickstands. Everyone of them eventually ends up on the ground because the bike fell over. Not all the time but often enough that I felt the bike would just be better off on the ground.

I find this especially true when it comes to loaded touring bikes. The kickstand simply isnít up to the job. If I used the kickstand and tried to get into panniers or adjust the load, I would spend more time trying to hold up the bike than getting what I want out of the bags. A slight gust of wind would easily topple over the bike. Park the bike on a sandy patch or on a slight incline or near traffic and over the bike would go. If a piece of equipment wonít do what is designed to do or if itís too much of a hassle to deal with, Iím not going to carry it.

For example, a kickstand would be useless here

https://live.staticflickr.com/784/40...b006168f_b.jpgMy bike 12 by Stuart Black, on Flickr

Or here
https://live.staticflickr.com/790/40...d622215c_b.jpgBeresford SD 4 by Stuart Black, on Flickr

Even here itís just easier to just lean it up against the wall

https://live.staticflickr.com/4579/3...77405375_k.jpg2015-05-03 11.38.54 by Stuart Black, on Flickr

When it comes to off-road, the kickstand is a liability. A kickstand could deploy on a high speed impact and would cause more problems than just falling over. Even if the kickstand wasnít a liability, the places where you have to stop are seldom firm or even. For example, this road had 4Ē of gravel piled on the side of the road.

https://live.staticflickr.com/7869/4...41d3e40d_k.jpgDSCN1146 by Stuart Black, on Flickr

Eventually, I just got used to not using one and donít miss it. Every time I see a bike with a kickstand fall over at some event, it just reinforces my choice.

BCDrums 06-30-19 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by hillyman (Post 21003635)
I always loved the Pletscher Double but getting harder to use on today's frames and with disc brake cable/hose in the way on chainstay. I switched to the Montague rackstand and it's ok. Makes a double use out of it and saves weight over rack and kickstand.https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1ece9b5551.jpg

So, what if youíre using the top of the rack for stuff?

xroadcharlie 06-30-19 08:06 AM

I too get frustrated when my bike falls over resting on the stand. If the bike is on the stand on wet grass or it's a windy day, I'm always on edge wondering when it's going to fall, So I must stay alert and close enough to grab it when I see it tipping. It kind of takes the pleasure out of a rest stop. I never considered leaning the bike on something solid when I have a stand. But I think I will start when it's available under those conditions.

It seems my frame mounted center kickstand is more stable then the rear stand I had before. Also, as mentioned in other post's, we might consider using a double leg stand for the bike. But it does look pretty busy down there, and it might get in the way. I don't know if it is practical in some instances. I would probably go to LBS with the bike where I might be able to try it out before buying one.

For the most part though I find the convince of a single leg center stand more then justifies the $20 and .4% increase in weight.

FiftySix 06-30-19 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by BCDrums (Post 21003984)
So, what if youíre using the top of the rack for stuff?

Probably ought to use quick detach bags, or don't use the rackstand until your back home and your ride is over.

It's a clever idea, but not suitable for all situations obviously.

fietsbob 06-30-19 09:42 AM

I have 2 on this bike , it was built that way .. 2004, in NL.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/working/im...-1P1010007.jpg





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hillyman 06-30-19 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by BCDrums (Post 21003984)
So, what if youíre using the top of the rack for stuff?

I usually don't unless bike camping then just take stuff off at campsite. But mainly for supplies I take panniers off and use in store as grocery bags.

nworcest 07-01-19 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by gringomojado (Post 21000742)
Do the pros on The Tour of France use kickstands? That should settle it.
gm

The support-system for their bikes is far more complex...

Or perhaps a bunch of helium balloons are an alternative to keep it upright. :)


- Ned - Seattle

Miele Man 07-01-19 11:46 AM

I like the rear chainstay/seatstay type of kickstand. I use mine in conjunction with a velcro strap to hold the front brake lever. There are many places where I've stopped and will stop in the future where there is nothing at all to lean a bicycle against. I'm really not a fan of laying my bicycle down.

YMMV Cheers

Marci 07-01-19 12:06 PM

I have an adjustable kickstand. Works most of the time unless the wind knocks it over. Even if I lean it those sudden gusts keep it upright if its leaning and the kickstand in down on other side. If I had to get a new one it would be one that snaps down on both sides.

fietsbob 07-01-19 12:07 PM

Being in San Francisco 35 years ago, I got a Japan domestic market rear triangle kickstand, it locks in the down position..

Swanndog 07-01-19 12:28 PM

I never used as they can end up in your spokes . And do a lot of damage .

michaeldb 07-01-19 12:44 PM

there once was a product called Flick-stand. It went on the downtube and a metal piece would flick down and lock the front tire inline with the down tube. it would also keep the front wheel from rolling. then you could lean the bike against something and it would slide and roll.
I have one on my bike for ever. it's was never perfect but better than the bike falling down and its was only a ounce or two in weight.

kcdoug 07-01-19 12:57 PM

I have a "click-stand" and like it. Go take a look on their web site. Unfortunately, I have had enough posts on here to give a URL, but it's easy to fine by searching. It works quite well on my bike that I don't really want to bolt a kick-stand onto.
-Doug


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