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Pinarello F12, are they fragile?

Old 07-13-19, 05:40 PM
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Pinarello F12, are they fragile?


Did Moscon's bike just really snapped in half? He didn't hit anything on the road. That's a nice clean break I say.
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Old 07-13-19, 08:00 PM
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Old 07-13-19, 08:13 PM
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And metal bikes don't break.. they just bend.


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Old 07-14-19, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
And metal bikes don't break.. they just bend.

context context. Did that break just riding along? or did it get hit by a car??? please
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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
context context. Did that break just riding along? or did it get hit by a car??? please
Context context. The carbon bike was not just "riding along". There was a crash, a pile up and then ridden over.

Carbon bikes are designed to be very ligt and strong in certain directions. They are not designed to absorb an impact from the side.

But you knew that already.

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Old 07-15-19, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by aclinjury View Post
context context. Did that break just riding along? or did it get hit by a car??? please
I'm betting it was a truck. Damn.
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Old 07-15-19, 07:25 AM
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Context context. The carbon bike was not just "riding along". There was a crash, a pile up and then ridden over.

Carbon bikes are designed to be very ligt and strong in certain directions. They are not designed to absorb an impact from the side.

But you knew that already.
I think that's the point. For a pro it's no big deal. Team car brings a new bike and you're on your way. For me it's the end of the ride, the end of my bike and thousands of dollars spent for a new one. Certainly highly dependent on the individual circumstances of course.
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I think that's the point. For a pro it's no big deal. Team car brings a new bike and you're on your way. For me it's the end of the ride, the end of my bike and thousands of dollars spent for a new one. Certainly highly dependent on the individual circumstances of course.
If you can't afford to replace your bike you shouldn't of purchased it.

I have a "pro" level bike and have 23,000 miles on it... it's worth every penny I paid. But if I crashed, i'd be more concerned about my condition than replacing the bike. But once healed... i'd replace it.

If you can't justify a replacement and stress over having to replace your bike if damaged, I suggest you get a less expensive bike.

But i can tell you than I have rented the same model, in a lower carbon level, SL vs SLR, I can feel the difference and glad I didn't settle for less.
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Old 07-15-19, 08:02 AM
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For a pro team that is just the cost of doing business, still would suck. For a pro racer they just get a new bike, that would be awesome!

I have a number of bikes, and I can replace anyone of them without putting a huge burden on the family budget.

Now even saying all this I have 3 road type bikes. A cheaper gravel bike because this is where I am most likely to break something. I have a mid-low range aluminum road bike that is my daily rider and I have one carbon bike that I use for events or on perfect weather days. The carbon is fun to ride and feels awesome. It was a stretch to get obtain because of cost but it worth having a "Sunday show off" bike!

Still carbon is carbon, not meant for impact.....but just feels special to ride
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Now even saying all this I have 3 road type bikes. A cheaper gravel bike because this is where I am most likely to break something. I have a mid-low range aluminum road bike that is my daily rider and I have one carbon bike that I use for events or on perfect weather days. The carbon is fun to ride and feels awesome. It was a stretch to get obtain because of cost but it worth having a "Sunday show off" bike!

Still carbon is carbon, not meant for impact.....but just feels special to ride
I have 2, a pro level road bike and a much less expensive, but still carbon, CX bike that I have 32mm tubeless tires on. And that's the one i ride in the winter and rainy days.
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Old 07-15-19, 07:24 PM
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If you can't afford to replace your bike you shouldn't of purchased it.

I have a "pro" level bike and have 23,000 miles on it... it's worth every penny I paid. But if I crashed, i'd be more concerned about my condition than replacing the bike. But once healed... i'd replace it.

If you can't justify a replacement and stress over having to replace your bike if damaged, I suggest you get a less expensive bike.

But i can tell you than I have rented the same model, in a lower carbon level, SL vs SLR, I can feel the difference and glad I didn't settle for less.
I don't see how you can just make such a broad statement about whether or not someone should ever be able to enjoy a nice, expensive bike based solely on how easily they can afford to replace it. You simply can't know what situation allows someone to finally be able to buy a nice bike once in their life; it doesn't mean they are irresponsible, indigent, or anything of the sort. Someone may have a really hard time justifying a $3k bike, but if the loss of a loved one results in a $20k life insurance windfall (or whatever, that's just an example), they may be able to justify it that one time, and only that one time.

There are times in life that afford you one-off opportunities. Just because that opportunity may be a one-off, doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't take advantage of that opportunity and seize what you want, especially when it may be your only chance in life to do so. For some, that may be something as simple as an expensive bike. If it goes down and replacement isn't an option, then it goes down and replacement isn't an option - but at least for a time, that person got a lot of enjoyment out of something they may never have otherwise had an opportunity to have had.

And then, there are people like myself; high income DINK, maxed out Roth 401k and IRA, and yet, replacing my Colnago - which I only paid $1200 for brand new (50% off) - would give me pause if it went down.Should I really not have bought it just because I need to think a bit about replacement cost? If anything, that makes me more responsible, carefully thinking about each purchase.

I don't think every single purchase one ever makes in life should have to be easily repeatable. People make large, one time purchases all the time and it doesn't make them irresponsible.

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Someone may have a really hard time justifying a $3k bike, but if the loss of a loved one results in a $20k life insurance windfall, they may be able to justify it that one time, and only that one time.
Bad news is my wife is dead, good news is I cashed in her life insurance and bought myself something expensive.

Wow... you logic is messed up.

My mom passed last year and I gave her left over money to both of my adult kids. That way they don't wish me dead.

I see many people live beyond their means and can't afford an unforeseen expense. I think i heard during the government shutdown last winder that 60% of American can't afford a $500 unexpected expense.
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Bad news is my wife is dead, good news is I cashed in her life insurance and bought myself something expensive.

Wow... you logic is messed up.

My mom passed last year and I gave her left over money to both of my adult kids. That way they don't wish me dead.

I see many people live beyond their means and can't afford an unforeseen expense. I think i heard during the government shutdown last winder that 60% of American can't afford a $500 unexpected expense.
And at 22, my mom dropped dead of brain cancer, and I inherited a $15k life insurance policy. I then took a $5k trip to Japan that I *never* would've been able to afford otherwise, which later resulted in living in Japan and meeting my wife.

Bottom line, I just don't think you can make a broad statement that just because someone can't go drop a 4 or 5 figure check on a whim to replace something, that they can't/shouldn't have had that something to begin with.

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And at 22, my mom dropped dead of brain cancer, and I inherited a $15k life insurance policy. I then took a $5k trip to Japan that I *never* would've been able to afford otherwise, which later resulted in living in Japan and meeting my wife. So do I win the sob story?

Bottom line, you are being judgmental of others who aren't in your position, and it stinks. You are insinuating that anyone who can't go drop a 4 or 5 figure check on a whim to replace something shouldn't have something nice, and that's just ignorant.
So my dad passed at 53.. I was 24 and didn't get a cent.

As to your trip to Japan, i'm glad it turned out well. But what if getting out of the cab you tripped and broke you leg and never got on the plane?

I've put 23,000 miles on my bike and not crashed. I'm under 50 per mile.

Sometimes things workout and sometimes they don't.
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So my dad passed at 53.. I was 24 and didn't get a cent.

As to your trip to Japan, i'm glad it turned out well. But what if getting out of the cab you tripped and broke you leg and never got on the plane?

I've put 23,000 miles on my bike and not crashed. I'm under 50 per mile.

Sometimes things workout and sometimes they don't.
I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with the topic at hand, but sure.

That said, I apologize if I came across a bit short, but I just don't think you should (or can) make such bold statements about other peoples' situations, without actually knowing their situations or circumstances; today you'd never know I paid the mortgage and all utilities at 17 years old on $8 an hour - for four full years while keeping up appearances - and then when I finally managed to get my mom a job at my own workplace in college, she died a mere 6 months later and thankfully had a small life insurance policy through that job, which covered final expenses and left enough for me to get on an airplane for the first time in my life. So, no, today, as a chemical engineer, I still consider each purchase carefully, and would not rush out to replace my bike immediately. I may want to, but I'd think long and hard about it. Thus, your narrative does not fit my situation.

Ultimately, you and I have a fundamental disagreement/outlook, and that's fine.
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Ultimately, you and I have a fundamental disagreement/outlook, and that's fine.
Yes it is. We can agree to disagree and still ride together.

BTW, while I didn't get any cash after my dad passed, I got 24 years with a man that taught me values that i have passed on to my family.

Hey.. i've never been to Japan, i'll have to add that to my bucket list.
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Yes it is. We can agree to disagree and still ride together.

BTW, while I didn't get any cash after my dad passed, I got 24 years with a man that taught me values that i have passed on to my family.

Hey.. i've never been to Japan, i'll have to add that to my bucket list.
All good.

...and do make it to Japan, it is fantastic and getting on that plane was the best decision I ever made in my life.
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More common is the death of a parent leaving behind funeral costs and estate debts. Thank goodness for the Colonial Penn life insurance program...
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More common is the death of a parent leaving behind funeral costs and estate debts. Thank goodness for the Colonial Penn life insurance program...
this made me laugh!


My parents have prepaid for everything. My dad always says all I need to do is die now. kind of nice knowing they took care of it now instead of leaving it up to us.
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Context context. The carbon bike was not just "riding along". There was a crash, a pile up and then ridden over.

Carbon bikes are designed to be very ligt and strong in certain directions. They are not designed to absorb an impact from the side.

But you knew that already.
ugh, I see that you're not up to date. The Pinarello broke first, which then caused the crash. It was not the crash that cause the break.
And yes, that slow corner is the same as "just riding along"

this is not to say carbon bikes are all fragile. But when manufacturers pursue lightest-possible approach when using carbon, then yes bikes (roadie) become fragile, such as demonstrated in stage 8 TdF

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ugh, I see that you're not up to date. The Pinarello broke first, which then caused the crash. It was not the crash that cause the break.
And yes, that slow corner is the same as "just riding along"

this is not to say carbon bikes are all fragile. But when manufacturers pursue lightest-possible approach when using carbon, then yes bikes (roadie) become fragile, such as demonstrated in stage 8 TdF
Ah... so it ASSploded. Maybe it was the heat or too much exposure to UVC rays.
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ugh, I see that you're not up to date. The Pinarello broke first, which then caused the crash. It was not the crash that cause the break.
Do you happen to have a cite for this? I'd just like to read the details.
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ugh, I see that you're not up to date. The Pinarello broke first, which then caused the crash. It was not the crash that cause the break.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/cycli...e-crash-ineos/
"The Welshman, 33, had a bump with EF Education First rider Michael Woods on a right-hand turn with around 15km to go on stage eight."

"A 10,000 Pinarello F12 Ineos bike was split in two by the crash"
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