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I was behind a guy on a group ride once. We approached a right turn and he held up his left hand and and raised his fist to the sky. I was quite perplexed until I realized he was giving the (correct) hand signal for a right turn while driving a car. Never seen a cyclist do that, though. I think he was new.
I'm probably half the average age here and I use my left arm to signal. Don't care if no one recognizes it, that's the way I learned and that's the right signal. But the biggest reason I do it is that, anecdotally, it appears to confuse the hell out of drivers - they see me signaling an action but they don't know which one - so they slow down.
I like to use them in traffic - as in, I'm taking this lane now. Usually accompanied by a head turn (no mirrors), and maybe even eye-contact if I can swing it.
I use my left-hand to signal right turns because I don't want to have to brake suddenly just using the front brake.
Maybe it's just my quixotic quest to instill good driving behavior in drivers of all stripes (bikes included). If I can use my signals on a bike, why can't you literally lift a pinky to do so in your car, rather than just blindly blunder across the road? Thankfully, I have enough street smarts that I usually know someone is going to turn before they do, but, still. Just a little courtesy, ya know?
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I was behind a guy on a group ride once. We approached a right turn and he held up his left hand and and raised his fist to the sky. I was quite perplexed until I realized he was giving the (correct) hand signal for a right turn while driving a car. Never seen a cyclist do that, though. I think he was new.
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I always use both the motorcycle LED electric turn signals and hand signals. At night I have my Glo Glov covers over my leather gloves. If you knew hand turn signals here you would know a correct right hand turn signal is left arm out with the left forearm and hand up at a 90 degree angle.
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The funny thing is when some old guy in a beater car raises his hand like that out the window. It always takes a while to realize that he's signaling. There's usually a cigarette in his hand, too.
Hell, 99% don't know what a blinking signal means.
There is much to be said for this.
I like to use them in traffic - as in, I'm taking this lane now. Usually accompanied by a head turn (no mirrors), and maybe even eye-contact if I can swing it.
I use my left-hand to signal right turns because I don't want to have to brake suddenly just using the front brake.
Maybe it's just my quixotic quest to instill good driving behavior in drivers of all stripes (bikes included). If I can use my signals on a bike, why can't you literally lift a pinky to do so in your car, rather than just blindly blunder across the road? Thankfully, I have enough street smarts that I usually know someone is going to turn before they do, but, still. Just a little courtesy, ya know?
Hell, 99% don't know what a blinking signal means.
There is much to be said for this.
I like to use them in traffic - as in, I'm taking this lane now. Usually accompanied by a head turn (no mirrors), and maybe even eye-contact if I can swing it.
I use my left-hand to signal right turns because I don't want to have to brake suddenly just using the front brake.
Maybe it's just my quixotic quest to instill good driving behavior in drivers of all stripes (bikes included). If I can use my signals on a bike, why can't you literally lift a pinky to do so in your car, rather than just blindly blunder across the road? Thankfully, I have enough street smarts that I usually know someone is going to turn before they do, but, still. Just a little courtesy, ya know?
I'll occasionally use a right turn hand signal while driving.
Today I came out of a driveway wanting to turn right.
Flagger stopping traffic to my left.
I signaled with lights and hand to communicate with him
He raised a stop hand signal towards me. After a minute he waved me on
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The DMV just hands out licences like they were skittles....
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I use the hand signals for stopping and left turns. Also point for right turns, since it is more intuitive. I do it when I go to an intersection with a car on it.
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I see roadies doing that on low-handlebarred road bikes. With their backs close to horizontal, only the birds have any clue what they are indicating. The right arm straight point is so much clearer that it baffles me why anyone would be taught otherwise (though I was taught I could use either 50 something years ago).
Something about bicycling seems to bring out the latent OCD tendencies of some enthusiasts.
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I agree with the posters who believe that cryptic hand gestures are likely to "signal" bicyclist weirdness to motorists and can fulfill the bicyclist's intention to cause confusion.
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Indeed. As long as you can parallel park and drive through a small neighborhood at up to 30mph without breaking any laws, the state of Texas will hand you a drivers license. No advanced skills tested for or necessary.
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Believe it or not, Maryland dropped the requirement to parallel park on the driving test a few years back. Too many people were failing and it was causing a backlog of re-testing. No joke.
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Here, the parallel parking test is the very first thing a license applicant has to perform. Fail that and the test ends within 5 minutes.

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Bicyclists complaining on public forums about insufficient licensing requirements for motorists and suggesting that motorist licensing be made tougher or more restrictive, may be opening up a can of worms in regards to their own freedom from licensing requirements.
Especially if the complaints/whining refers to motorists not recognizing obscure hand signals from bicyclists who take delight in confusing others with cryptic gestures.
Especially if the complaints/whining refers to motorists not recognizing obscure hand signals from bicyclists who take delight in confusing others with cryptic gestures.
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I'm afraid my favorite hand signal isn't at all cryptic, and is flipped as a reflex when I get honked at from behind. The manual doesn't tell me which hand to use for that one.
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Where I am from, tapping the thigh/butt is a sign to riders behind to slide over due to some above-ground obstruction. Often that obstruction is a (double) parked car, but it can be something like a runner proceeding in the same direction. Since we ride on the right side of the road, the tapping is of the right thigh, and it's not generally used to warn of things like potholes or glass. That's what the point is for.
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Hand signals?
Regarding (left) hand signals to motorists, I have posted about the use of hand signals to direct motorists, rather than just to signal the cyclist's intentions.
Bicyclists complaining on public forums about insufficient licensing requirements for motorists and suggesting that motorist licensing be made tougher or more restrictive, may be opening up a can of worms in regards to their own freedom from licensing requirements.
Especially if the complaints/whining refers to motorists not recognizing obscure hand signals from bicyclists who take delight in confusing others with cryptic gestures.
Especially if the complaints/whining refers to motorists not recognizing obscure hand signals from bicyclists who take delight in confusing others with cryptic gestures.
"Best strategy to defend against cars passing blind?"
I am kinda frustrated with the whole cars passing blind deal. This is far and away the most dangerous thing I deal with. My commute is very winding with lots of rolling hills. Some of the hills are short and steep. I live on a residential lake so sight lines here are VERY short.…
Taking the lane doesn't seem to help at all. The dummies just pass farther to the left. Even to the point of using the left shoulder if they have to. I used to signal an (uninteded) left turn thinking that will stop them passing. They would still zoom past. Finally realized they thought I was signalling them "safe to pass"...
I realize some people are just gonna pass. Rationally I know I will not delay their commute long. But long ago I realized you can't rationalize with the irrational. And there is still a surprising number of folks here of the "get your bike off the road" mindset…
I am kinda frustrated with the whole cars passing blind deal. This is far and away the most dangerous thing I deal with. My commute is very winding with lots of rolling hills. Some of the hills are short and steep. I live on a residential lake so sight lines here are VERY short.…
Taking the lane doesn't seem to help at all. The dummies just pass farther to the left. Even to the point of using the left shoulder if they have to. I used to signal an (uninteded) left turn thinking that will stop them passing. They would still zoom past. Finally realized they thought I was signalling them "safe to pass"...
I realize some people are just gonna pass. Rationally I know I will not delay their commute long. But long ago I realized you can't rationalize with the irrational. And there is still a surprising number of folks here of the "get your bike off the road" mindset…
…Here's a question for everyone here. In a couple of other forums that I'm a member of (I'm able to Facebook from my phone) there is a member who seems to think that we as cyclists "have" to "acknowledge" motorists within the first 5-seconds that we realize that they're behind us….
…although if we're on a road that is straight and has good sight lines, I'll wave a car by.
Or if we're on a road that has a curve and I can see that the motorist behind me is about to attempt a pass I'll put out the slow/stop signal to get them to stay behind me.
Or if we're on a road that has a curve and I can see that the motorist behind me is about to attempt a pass I'll put out the slow/stop signal to get them to stay behind me.
…I have posted frequently about the drivers that pass me,either to curse or bless them (link) [with my left hand], depending on the pass, but mostly ignore them. I don’t particularly acknowledge drivers behind me either, but monitor them with my mirrors.
I recall posting that I don’t direct drivers to pass me, or hold up, but leave it up to them.
I recall posting that I don’t direct drivers to pass me, or hold up, but leave it up to them.
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I've always thought it is a bit unnecessary in traffic, since you can't perform it (or any other hand signal) under hard braking, and there's not much need for it when decelerating slowly.
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Is the "Sssssssss", so-called "sizzling sound" and shaking of the hand due to imaginary heat emanating from the buttocks, also used by riders in your region, or is that considered to be excessively prideful and in questionable taste?
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I was behind a guy on a group ride once. We approached a right turn and he held up his left hand and and raised his fist to the sky. I was quite perplexed until I realized he was giving the (correct) hand signal for a right turn while driving a car. Never seen a cyclist do that, though. I think he was new.
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in a car, the driver has access to only 1 window, that's why the hand signal for a left, is left arm sticking out & the signal for a right is the same arm bent at elbow pointing up
on a bike, you don't have to do that. to go left stick your left arm out, to go right stick your right arm out. when I see bikers doing the left arm right signal I chuckle to myself
on a bike, you don't have to do that. to go left stick your left arm out, to go right stick your right arm out. when I see bikers doing the left arm right signal I chuckle to myself
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I got quite proficient in parallel parking in college, fighting for undersized parking spots.
Pre Smart Car era, the Fiat 500 was great for parallel parking. There was one stretch of road, packed early, but I could 100% guarantee there would be a spot big enough to squeeze into. I would imagine other drivers groaned when they left a nice buffer in front of their car and found me in it.
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in a car, the driver has access to only 1 window, that's why the hand signal for a left, is left arm sticking out & the signal for a right is the same arm bent at elbow pointing up
on a bike, you don't have to do that. to go left stick your left arm out, to go right stick your right arm out. when I see bikers doing the left arm right signal I chuckle to myself
on a bike, you don't have to do that. to go left stick your left arm out, to go right stick your right arm out. when I see bikers doing the left arm right signal I chuckle to myself
The Oregon driver's manual specifically allows either.