Courtesy on the bike paths....
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Which is why I advocate announcing (voice) or warning (bell , horn) far enough in advance that it doesn't matter what the one (or few, or many) being passed does. I hate being surprised by someone passing, because if he or she is passing close, and I even twitch, we may collide. (On a P-38, if you think "turn left" or "turn right" you may be there before you get to the "t.")
Next time I pass an aircraft on a MUP, I'll remember that they are very twitchy,
and definitely not announce!
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I ride a local MUP quite a bit. The majority of riders announce. I always do, and am usually greeted by a wave or a thank you. Very few do not announce. The people and other riders I've gone around seem to appreciate it, and it's safer, so I'll keep announcing.
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I ride route 56 in San Diego, California almost daily for abount a year now. There are tons of cyclists there, and I haven't heard anyone announcing a passing yet.
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I ring my bell a few times for pedestrians, but if I get no response, I just ride on by.
I might call "on your left" when passing other cyclists if they look a bit wobbly, but usually I just ride past and say hello as I do.
I don't beep as I drive past other drivers, so I don't ring my bell as I ride past other riders as a rule.
I might call "on your left" when passing other cyclists if they look a bit wobbly, but usually I just ride past and say hello as I do.
I don't beep as I drive past other drivers, so I don't ring my bell as I ride past other riders as a rule.
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I have now installed two bells on my bike, one on the right side of my handlebars and one on the left. I ring the bell appropriate for which direction I want trail users to move. Half the time they move correctly, half the time they don’t, but at least they move.
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Subliminal, I like it. LOL
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Treat others as you wish to be treated—and accept the responsibility therefore. OH DEAR GOD! HE USED THE "R" WORD! HORRORS!
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Most people pay slightly more attention when driving a motor vehicle, because there are substantial consequences for an auto accident. While the consequences of a bike accident may be substantial—in terms of physical pain—to the individuals involved, the consequences of an auto accident are both physical, monetary, legal, and substantial. It has been my experience, for well over sixty years, that both pedestrians and cyclists are either preoccupied or just oblivious, whereas operators of motor vehicles are required not to be—even if they aren't.
Treat others as you wish to be treated—and accept the responsibility therefore. OH DEAR GOD! HE USED THE "R" WORD! HORRORS!
Treat others as you wish to be treated—and accept the responsibility therefore. OH DEAR GOD! HE USED THE "R" WORD! HORRORS!
I stay left on the path (I am in Australia) and so people can easily and safely ride past n my right.
I also reckon that pedestrians would have far less problems if they also stayed left and did not wear headphones.
If I see they are wearing headphones, I will ring my bell a couple of times then just ride past.
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It works unfailingly for me. This is a word I don't see often in these discussions. Slow. Slow down to pass with minimal speed disparity. I do that then when I am 10-15 feet back I announce "coming around your left." I have never had anyone move into my path. It doesn't matter that they are budded and can't hear me. I have time to react if they do something unpredictable. If I come up to a gaggle that has the entire path blocked, I slow and say "coming up behind you."
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I ride the MUPs here pretty much all the time, don't want to be hit by a car.
When approaching walkers I play it by ear, joggers who stay on their side I'll slow a little and pass with a single ring of my bell. Groups or aimless wanderers I ring several times, slow down and pass carefully, the same with other cyclists, it depends on how they ride. Zombies are the worst (My term for people wearing earbuds), I've surprised several (Walkers and cyclists) who are clueless that I'm there, no situational awareness whatsoever. I don't let it bother me though, I'm too happy riding my bike.
I've been thanked multiple times for using my bell, cven complimented on it a few times (Never heard "Nice Bell" before, must be my technique ...)
Oh, and I always say "Hi" or "Good Morning" or something like that, to pretty much everyone, whether they're coming or going...
When approaching walkers I play it by ear, joggers who stay on their side I'll slow a little and pass with a single ring of my bell. Groups or aimless wanderers I ring several times, slow down and pass carefully, the same with other cyclists, it depends on how they ride. Zombies are the worst (My term for people wearing earbuds), I've surprised several (Walkers and cyclists) who are clueless that I'm there, no situational awareness whatsoever. I don't let it bother me though, I'm too happy riding my bike.
I've been thanked multiple times for using my bell, cven complimented on it a few times (Never heard "Nice Bell" before, must be my technique ...)
Oh, and I always say "Hi" or "Good Morning" or something like that, to pretty much everyone, whether they're coming or going...
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Are you trying to tell me you are polite and exchange pleasantries with the people you encounter? You are never going to win races doing that bud.
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Courtesy on the bike paths....
I have posted previously, on a similar thread:
But on the contrary
Now, my viewpoint on MUPS is influenced by living in the genteel City of Boston, where the MUPS are indeed public parks; and wide paved routes.
Last week, I visited Washington DC and checked out the widely touted Rock Creek trail (see photo), at least in the vicinity of Dupont Circle, where the bikes seem to be definitely second class. That segment is narrow with a two lane high-speed roadway on one side, and a wall of leafy green on the other.
That photo was an early Saturday morning. The path looks more utilitarian than pastoral, for runners training, and likely for cycle commuters to avoid notorious Washington traffic. Courtesy, even deference seems to be only means of coexistence.
I don't expect people to ring their bell when they ride past me, so....................?
I stay left on the path (I am in Australia) and so people can easily and safely ride past n my right.
I also reckon that pedestrians would have far less problems if they also stayed left and did not wear headphones.
If I see they are wearing headphones, I will ring my bell a couple of times then just ride past.
I stay left on the path (I am in Australia) and so people can easily and safely ride past n my right.
I also reckon that pedestrians would have far less problems if they also stayed left and did not wear headphones.
If I see they are wearing headphones, I will ring my bell a couple of times then just ride past.
If we ride often enough on MUPs we've all seen...wannabe racers riding too fast for conditions, sometimes two abreast, sometimes in mini-pelotons and not giving any consideration to other users -- slower cyclists, old folks walking with canes or walkers, families with strollers and toddlers and dogs on 50 yard retractable non-leashes (the dogs too), etc.
That's life on the multi-use path. Always been that way. Always will be. It's just the nature of the thing…
Jerks are gonna jerk. But most folks are pretty cool about using the MUP. I prefer to keep the latter in mind.
That's life on the multi-use path. Always been that way. Always will be. It's just the nature of the thing…
Jerks are gonna jerk. But most folks are pretty cool about using the MUP. I prefer to keep the latter in mind.
…My own thought is that a MUP is not so much a commuter route, or training venue, but a pastoral park, where people can enjoy themselves without too many worries, and needn’t be always vigilant, as is a cyclist on the Road.
A few years ago I went on a walking tour of the Boston’s Emerald Necklace park system designed by the great 19th century landscape architect Frederic Law Olmsted with the concept of a Promenade in mind. According to the Park Ranger, it was planned “to take a leisurely walk, ride, or drive in public, especially to meet or be seen by others” (Oxford Dictionary).The strollers would be dressed in their best Sunday clothes, and running and horses (and ? bicycles) would be discouraged.
My own Golden Rule of Cycling is “Do unto the Pedestrians, as you would have the Cagers do unto you.”
A few years ago I went on a walking tour of the Boston’s Emerald Necklace park system designed by the great 19th century landscape architect Frederic Law Olmsted with the concept of a Promenade in mind. According to the Park Ranger, it was planned “to take a leisurely walk, ride, or drive in public, especially to meet or be seen by others” (Oxford Dictionary).The strollers would be dressed in their best Sunday clothes, and running and horses (and ? bicycles) would be discouraged.
My own Golden Rule of Cycling is “Do unto the Pedestrians, as you would have the Cagers do unto you.”
I just don't ride on MUPS... way too frustrating. Headphones/self-entitled groups who feel that they should have the whole path and people that jump IN your way when you do announce/ring. I've come to the conclusion that if it is a single pedestrian, there's a 90% likelihood that they have earbuds in and can't hear you and if it is two or more people, they just don't give a damn.
I can either mow them down or just avoid them all... I'm a much happier rider without them in my life.
I can either mow them down or just avoid them all... I'm a much happier rider without them in my life.
Don't really understand the obsession with this topic.
You're not expected to honk at cars when you pass them, or announce you're passing in grocery store aisles, or stepping up to the urinal at work with an "On yer left!".
I will do whatever I have to do to pass you safely, but your emotional response to my actions by getting scared, or angry, or aroused, isn't my problem.
You're not expected to honk at cars when you pass them, or announce you're passing in grocery store aisles, or stepping up to the urinal at work with an "On yer left!".
I will do whatever I have to do to pass you safely, but your emotional response to my actions by getting scared, or angry, or aroused, isn't my problem.
Last week, I visited Washington DC and checked out the widely touted Rock Creek trail (see photo), at least in the vicinity of Dupont Circle, where the bikes seem to be definitely second class. That segment is narrow with a two lane high-speed roadway on one side, and a wall of leafy green on the other.
That photo was an early Saturday morning. The path looks more utilitarian than pastoral, for runners training, and likely for cycle commuters to avoid notorious Washington traffic. Courtesy, even deference seems to be only means of coexistence.
Last edited by Jim from Boston; 09-09-19 at 08:52 AM.
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Yup, with reduced traffic and increased newbs on the mups, I'm pretty much back to a real roadie, unless I'm on the mtn bike. Even the easier local single tracks here are far more crowded with walkers and dogs, new riders, and families trying their hand at trail riding.
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