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Old 09-05-19, 06:19 PM
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What's your argument? Do you even know? Or is it just about arguing?
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Originally Posted by Happy Feet
Let's quote the whole thing in context:
okay but you cut short the context. ( I am guessing intentionally)
Originally Posted by Happy Feet
If they are happy great! Trying to suggest they are wrong because they don't do what another might is misguided at best.
my point was some simple. If you can't apply your logic to all things "bicycle safety", then your logic is faulty.

as in.... some people are happy riding with no helmet, trying to suggest they are wrong is misguided?

Descending on the hoods, is equal to no helmet in my opinion. if someone is happy doing that then go do it. That doesn't change the danger side of it though!
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Originally Posted by Spoonrobot
Incorrect, on multiple points. Having a firm grip on the hoods requires hand re-positioning before braking. Having a firm grip on the drops does not. Drops are always more secure than hoods. You get three fingers and a thumb around the bar with one finger on the brake. With hoods, unless you have very narrower fingers you get two and a half fingers and half a thumb around the shifter body but no fingers on the brake lever. The handhold provided by the drops is also more secure and fits the hand better than the bar/shifter interface.

I'd like to see your bike - are we talking cyclocross style upwards angle or hobo-bum-bike upward angle?
Great. I appreciate when someone talks about their opinion and not whether mine are valid. I will assume you mean the bolded part and not the jab at another poster. If so, no one, at least not me, has argued against that. Only that the hoods also offer a good degree of safety as well. I would call it a matter of degree.

It is really hard to argue against the fact that most people nowadays are riding and braking from the hoods and that it has not been highlighted as a causal factor in crashes to the degree that the industry is talking about changing behavior. Nor that manufacturers seem to be going forward, not backwards in designing braking systems for hoods. No one is talking about modern hood use as being particularly dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Metieval
okay but you cut short the context. ( I am guessing intentionally)


my point was some simple. If you can't apply your logic to all things "bicycle safety", then your logic is faulty.

as in.... some people are happy riding with no helmet, trying to suggest they are wrong is misguided?

Descending on the hoods, is equal to no helmet in my opinion. if someone is happy doing that then go do it. That doesn't change the danger side of it though!
I can't be bothered with you any more.
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I ride the drops more than anything and if I want to go downhill fast I do the 'Urs Zimmerman'! If I am on the drops and the road gets a little rough, etc. then I stay in the drops or get onto them and ease back in the saddle. This gets my c.g. back a bit and keeps it low. It's just my technique (and Urs'!) so your mileage may vary. Have fun!



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Originally Posted by ksryder
Where are you going?
Just doing the GAP south to north, having dinner with an old friend in Pittsburgh, then riding back to Cumberland. On the way home I plan to stop and ride the abandoned section of the PA Turnpike, which is now an unofficial trail. I have done both before.

I was going to ride across PA but I had some exploratory surgery that kept me off the bike for a good while. I don't feel I am up for all the hills.
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I've been trying to use my drops more...I have a lot of sail area when on the hoods. Losing some more of my gut will help. In addition, being on the drops seems to yield more control and power (you can tell I haven't paid much attention to them previously).
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Originally Posted by Spoonrobot
That was never my argument. Regroup, try again.



It is less safe. Nobody can brake well with one finger from the hoods. Nobody can have a secure grip with three fingers on the brake lever from the hoods.
Less safe based on what criteria? Frankly the whole "brake with one finger" thing is vastly overblown. Braking a bicycle with a single finger isn't any measure of braking ability. It may be your personal goal but many of us are just fine using as many fingers as it takes.

As others have pointed out, the index finger is a pretty strong part of the hand. The thumb and index finger wrapped around the hood isn't going to slide or bounce or just "fall off". Your...and others'...argument is fear based, not fact based. Show (or do) a study showing that braking from the hoods is more likely to cause a crash. We're waiting.
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So, are drop bars just an illusion?
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Originally Posted by Stormsedge
I've been trying to use my drops more...<snip>...In addition, being on the drops seems to yield more control and power (you can tell I haven't paid much attention to them previously).

Yep, people who have not configured their bikes properly to ride in the drops ...”don’t know what they don’t know”...because they are more comfortable and used to riding on the hoods. As such, bar height/brifter angle are configured to optimize hood riding vs being optimized for riding in BOTH positions. If current bike can’t be configured to do this, then there are fit issues.

——-to everyone else——

Yes you can ride and brake on the hoods...nobody here is disputing that. What is being disputed is hood riding is not optimal when it comes to control/leverage/power transfer. Riding in the drops gives you more leverage, control and power transfer.

...and yes hitting an unexpected pot hole or irregularity at speed will make your hands jump especially if you are relaxed. Throw in a slight twist to the front wheel and you are really in trouble unless you ride with a death grip all the time and are able to anticipate it (can’t always anticipate when you are in a fast paceline). If your hands get bumped off the hoods, there is nothing to stop it other than your ability to remain balanced and recover. Your hands are hooked in...in the drops and the top of the drop has saved me more than one time when my hands were bumped.
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OMG! All these years of commuting on the potholed streets of the midwest in the hoods and flat bars and I haven't died yet!
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
So, are drop bars just an illusion?
What if, like, this is all, like, just a dream?

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Drop bars are merely an entry-level illusion to looking racy. True raciness means getting aero-bars and riding those MUPs at speeds so fast that the complaints of the peds can't reach your ears!
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Originally Posted by Riveting
Drop bars are merely an entry-level illusion to looking racy. True raciness means getting aero-bars and riding those MUPs at speeds so fast that the complaints of the peds can't reach your ears!
I prefer my peds to stay in my legs
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Originally Posted by DynoD500_SR20-d
...So my question is, "Are drop bars an illusion?"
I went and double checked my bike. The drop bars are definitely real, not an illusion.
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Originally Posted by Spoonrobot
Hands being bounced off the hoods by a front end impact happens more often than is well known, many times it doesn't lead to a crash. I've seen it happen several times in real life to other riders and has happened to me as well.
+1, I can attest personally to one such "bounced off the hoods" incident that led to my crashing, about 17 years ago.

I was riding home on the shoulder of a familiar residential road in the rain at a moderate speed, relaxed with hands comfortably wrapping the hoods. Unknown to me, a work crew had dug into the shoulder to work on a utility line, then covered it over temporarily with asphalt, leaving a substantial but invisible (in the rainy weather) "speed bump".

As I recall, my hands didn't leave the hoods on the initial "bump" of the front wheel. It was when the back wheel jolt popped me off the saddle and forwards that my hands lost contact, the front wheel slid, and down I went.

Watching that video of the crash above in slow motion, that looks exactly as I remember my incident. Note that his hands remain in contact with the hoods on the initial front wheel jolt.
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Originally Posted by DynoD500_SR20-d
Are drop bars an illusion?
Think of them not as an illusion as much as an aspirational statement.
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As a lifelong roadie, for me, it's drop bars or nothing. The other night my wife's friend brought her beach cruiser over for me to look at. Cushy seat, big balloon tires, curved flat bars, single speed, coaster brake. She had a creak in the handlebar/stem. I took it for a ride. Wierd. I don't know how people can ride these things. I was wobbling all over the road. Also, in 55+ years of riding, I think it was my first time on coaster brakes, where you pedal backwards to stop. I found myself dragging my foot, "flintstone style" to make a u turn. Anyway, I checked the stem, for tightness, and squirted WD40 into the parts joint between stem and bars. The headset seemed OK. It's a pretty new bike, a "Cadillac" brand, pretty light, with aluminum frame. Not my type, I'll take my road bike, drop bars, and "real" brakes any day.
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Originally Posted by Happy Feet
What's your argument? Do you even know? Or is it just about arguing?
is this a 15 minute argument or did you pay for the full hour?
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I just got back from a ride where the last 8 or so miles was a stiff headwind. I rode most of those 8 miles on my drop bar illusions.
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Originally Posted by spelger
is this a 15 minute argument or did you pay for the full hour?
Perfect reference. Captures my feelings well

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Did you leave, yet? Should we expect the donation to a cycling charity of your choice during your tour or after you return?
You should have taken the bet. I’m going to spend the 💰 on myself.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Um...you might want to reword that if you want to keep arguing that braking from the hoods is "unsafe". He's maintaining a secure grip at the expense of braking performance while maximizing braking performance at the expense of grip? It doesn't follow.
I confess, I don't get the whole argument. Grip on the hoods is as good as gripping the bars. Weight distribution is about the same also, so I don't get "more control" nor "power transfer". Leverage from the steering axis is the same, either way. It doesn't take that much leverage to brake. Why is there an argument?
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
Um...you might want to reword that if you want to keep arguing that braking from the hoods is "unsafe". He's maintaining a secure grip at the expense of braking performance while maximizing braking performance at the expense of grip? It doesn't follow.
What he's saying is that in the initial photo, he's got a secure grip on the hoods but poor leverage for braking. In the second photo, he's able to brake fairly powerfully but his grip isn't as nice for hand security.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Note that one of the pictures is of a BMC rider descending while on the hoods while the guys behind him are in super-aero tucks, indicating that they're doing some serious speed.

Though, in fairness, he's clearly drafting the moto.

Still---pro rider descending on the hoods. The horror!

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