The only drive train I would spend a lot of money on
09-07-19, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
Research is good, even if it never makes it to production.
I appreciate people who try new things, especially those who do so in the face of nattering nabobs of negativity and nay-sayers.
Many great inventors were laughed at. Thomas Edison was called a fool.
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I appreciate people who try new things, especially those who do so in the face of nattering nabobs of negativity and nay-sayers.
Many great inventors were laughed at. Thomas Edison was called a fool.
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I'm so old I actually remember Agnew saying that.
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To be perfect it should be able to shift from a smartphone.
09-07-19, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Reynolds
To be perfect it should be able to shift from a smartphone.
Right!
The one at eurobike was plugged into a wall outlet to make it shift. Going to need one heck of a cord for riding LMAO
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09-07-19, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 02Giant
Is that a new chain lube?
Grey poupon only though. Anything else would be uncivilized
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09-07-19, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sdmc530
Grey poupon only though. Anything else would be uncivilized
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09-07-19, 11:43 PM
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So as soon as the electric shift fails, as electronics do, the bearings will fail to step and crash the sprocket...
And only one tooth is under load at any given time?! Okaaay then.
And only one tooth is under load at any given time?! Okaaay then.
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09-08-19, 04:37 AM
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Every driveshaft system so far has been less efficient than chain because the direct application of the chain to the cogs is inherently more efficient than the angling required by the driveshaft. Is there any real reason to believe their claims they reversed this?I
I'm of the opinion that they know this is a dead end and are just using what they have to promote the brand. If they really were on the verge of a breakthrough, they wouldn't be showing this stuff because it might help someone else to get there first.
I'm of the opinion that they know this is a dead end and are just using what they have to promote the brand. If they really were on the verge of a breakthrough, they wouldn't be showing this stuff because it might help someone else to get there first.
09-08-19, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sdmc530
Right!
The one at eurobike was plugged into a wall outlet to make it shift. Going to need one heck of a cord for riding LMAO
The one at eurobike was plugged into a wall outlet to make it shift. Going to need one heck of a cord for riding LMAO
Originally Posted by MikeyMK
So as soon as the electric shift fails, as electronics do, the bearings will fail to step and crash the sprocket...
And only one tooth is under load at any given time?! Okaaay then.
And only one tooth is under load at any given time?! Okaaay then.
Originally Posted by unmumpsimus
Here we have someone who doesn't understand how robust electronic shifting systems have proven to be.
09-08-19, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
I'm as far from being an engineer as an adult can be, but the fact that the demo had to be plugged into a wall socket instead of running off a battery suggests that it has to be constantly under power to keep the bike in gear. This is a lot more demanding of the electronics than just moving the derailleurs as current electronic shifting does.
So if this was a production bike it would last one ride? Doesn’t Di2 batteries last hundreds of hours at a charge?
Look i am all about cool and concept designs and new ideas. But this isn’t new, and its seeming to just be a hype builder for the company. I would be willing to bet this will still be hashed out next year with the same bike system with still non usable system.
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09-08-19, 07:25 AM
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I’ll wait until Shimano makes it better.
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09-08-19, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by robnol
a chainless drive train it is the finest most efficient drive train possible... I would spend money for this level of quality...eliminate the chain and derailleur
09-08-19, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Noctilux.95
I’ll wait until Shimano makes it better.
09-08-19, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tcs
09-08-19, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by robnol
I hope your very young because it will probably be a long time....I don't think shimano thinks outside the box...they will take someone elses creativity and try to improve it
09-08-19, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Noctilux.95
Or you can say they will take someone's crap engineering and make it much better.
09-08-19, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by robnol
Yeah sure ok.... still not a product of their creativity....
09-08-19, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Noctilux.95
Doing it better is more important than doing it first. Besides, the creativity in the bike industry is pretty primitive compared to the tech world. High prices don't equal high tech.
09-08-19, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kovkov
Looks weak.
09-08-19, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by robnol
wow now that's ridiculous...I would be embarrassed to be seen anywhere near that bike
09-08-19, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyMK
Ah come on, what if it used a bamboo frame, and was made of all-natural materials, wouldn't it just be the coolest thing..?
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09-08-19, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyMK
Ah come on, what if it used a bamboo frame, and was made of all-natural materials, wouldn't it just be the coolest thing..?
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No
Originally Posted by robnol
....and my training is all about speed or else whats the point of bike training
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Every driveshaft system so far has been less efficient than chain because the direct application of the chain to the cogs is inherently more efficient than the angling required by the driveshaft. Is there any real reason to believe their claims they reversed this?I
Pretty much all of the previous shaft drive systems have used bevel gears, ie: teeth-on-teeth. Whether it's been straight cut or helical, it's pretty much like what you'd find in a shaft-drive moto, just smaller scale.
What CS did, and you can see it pretty clearly on their 2018 interbike demo, is replace all the 'teeth' on the shaft pinion 'gears' with individual bearings. It looks kinda like a flower, when viewed from the end. The teeth on the crank and cassette are shaped to drive and be driven by those circular bearing races.
It's a neat piece of design, esp the CNC 'cassette,' but it pretty much requires a bespoke bike frame to make it work.
It supposedly is about 99% efficient as opposed to a 'conventional' Dura-Ace, that peaks at 98%. That is, of course, if they can get it working, not the less production-ready.
09-08-19, 04:49 PM
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Innovation and creativity are what keeps biking from getting stagnant.
thing. The bicycle is scientifically solved since 1902 or something.
09-08-19, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by robnol
Innovation and creativity are what keeps biking from getting stagnant..high prices are companies way of milking bike rubes out of their money... don’t believe me then why does a simple thing like a bicycle cost 8000 or more
09-08-19, 06:28 PM
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I'd buy that drivetrain if it had a Rapha logo.
