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Pedestrians = more dangerous than drivers?

Old 09-18-19, 09:23 AM
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Pedestrians = more dangerous than drivers?

Cars tend to keep away from me and give me my space. Pedestrians on the other hand often j-walk right in front of me while I'm riding properly on the road. I end up having to slow down, or I'd hit them. Happens almost every single time I go to my bike coop.

I don't know why they think it's okay for them to wait for a car but just walk right in front of a bike.

Oh, and people on those powered scootersódon't even get me started!! Too many close calls.
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Old 09-18-19, 09:49 AM
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Old 09-18-19, 10:08 AM
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Old 09-18-19, 10:27 AM
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Pedestrians in motion walk slow enough that you can anticipate their movements and thus avoid them. If they are stationary, you can count on them starting to walk soon, so just assume that they will step out on you and plan accordingly. Don't assume that they see you even if they are looking your way. Also, resist the urge to buzz them because it really does not "teach them a lesson" and could result in something that would ruin your day.
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Old 09-18-19, 10:33 AM
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On the up side, it's hard to get doored by a pedestrian.
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Old 09-18-19, 10:49 AM
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I can't remember the last time I read about a drunk pedestrian stepping in front of a group of cyclists and killing 4 or 5 of them.
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Old 09-18-19, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost View Post
Pedestrians in motion walk slow enough that you can anticipate their movements and thus avoid them. ...
I'm guessing you have never had one step out from in front of a van mid-block. Or maybe you have powers of anticipation I was not gifted with.
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Old 09-18-19, 11:06 AM
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Pedestrians donít kill people.

Drivers kill scads of people.

Any questions?
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Old 09-18-19, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
I'm guessing you have never had one step out from in front of a van mid-block. Or maybe you have powers of anticipation I was not gifted with.
Yeah. We big city folks know what's up with stuff like that. And dude is in the south. Folks down there mosey.
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Old 09-18-19, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bedtime View Post
Cars tend to keep away from me and give me my space. Pedestrians on the other hand often j-walk right in front of me while I'm riding properly on the road. I end up having to slow down, or I'd hit them. Happens almost every single time I go to my bike coop.

I don't know why they think it's okay for them to wait for a car but just walk right in front of a bike.

Oh, and people on those powered scootersódon't even get me started!! Too many close calls.
You end up "having to slow down"? Oh, the horror!! How terribly inefficient!
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Old 09-18-19, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bedtime View Post
Happens almost every single time I go to my bike coop.
Only then? That seems odd.
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Old 09-18-19, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
Or maybe you have powers of anticipation I was not gifted with.
Probably. Observation and anticipation developed over many years of commuting in urban traffic.
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Old 09-18-19, 01:08 PM
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There are a few (entertaining, admittedly) videos on the Cycliq site with pedestrians walking right into/in front of bicycles. They are almost always face down in a smartphone screen when it happens.
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Old 09-18-19, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Only then? That seems odd.
Bike coops kill.
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Old 09-18-19, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
Bike coops kill.
Which is why we should all support free range bikes.
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Old 09-18-19, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MattTheHat View Post
On the up side, it's hard to get doored by a pedestrian.
Perhaps not, but I did have a pedestrian swing her walker right in front of my line of travel. And, admittedly I was passing a little close.

Fortunately I slammed on the brakes, made light contact, and nobody went down, and no injuries.
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Old 09-18-19, 02:40 PM
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Perhaps not, but I did have a pedestrian swing her walker right in front of my line of travel. And, admittedly I was passing a little close. Fortunately I slammed on the brakes, made light contact, and nobody went down, and no injuries.
Hitting an old woman using a walker? You'd have to put a lot of spin on that accident to save face with your riding buddies:

"There I was, was pumping out 1500 W trying to out-sprint a mountain lion, when I noticed a couple of rattlesnakes in the road. I dodged the first, but got tagged by the second. That distracted me, and I didn't see the Lamborghini parked on the side of the road. I managed to bunny hop over the car, but clipped the old woman's walker that was stored in the passenger seat. Oddly, this happens almost every single time I go to my bike co-op."
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Old 09-18-19, 02:52 PM
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Hitting an old woman using a walker? You'd have to put a lot of spin on that accident to save face with your riding buddies:
Yeah, I know.

2-way street-side bike lane without sidewalk (perhaps before it was marked as such).

I slowed down to let a Tandem go by in the opposite direction. Then once passed, swung around her.

Simultaneously she swung around to get a second look at the tandem.

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Originally Posted by bedtime View Post
Cars tend to keep away from me and give me my space. Pedestrians on the other hand often j-walk right in front of me while I'm riding properly on the road. I end up having to slow down, or I'd hit them. Happens almost every single time I go to my bike coop.

I don't know why they think it's okay for them to wait for a car but just walk right in front of a bike.

Oh, and people on those powered scootersódon't even get me started!! Too many close calls.
You sound like a motorist.
Pedestrians have right of way when crossing the roads where I live, so yes you do need to slow down and Give Way to them (whether you are in your car or on your bike). They don't have to wait for cars.
Jaywalking is a term dreamed up by the motoring industry in the 30's during their successful campaign to take over our roads.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797
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Old 09-18-19, 07:40 PM
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Well, I do have to admit that I have never had a car jaywalk right in front of me.
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Old 09-18-19, 07:51 PM
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Well, I do have to admit that I have never had a car jaywalk right in front of me.
Cars don't have designated crossing places. They can cross a road dang near anywhere there isn't a curb to hop or guard rail to cross.
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Cars don't have designated crossing places. They can cross a road dang near anywhere there isn't a curb to hop or guard rail to cross.
See, the joke was cars don't walk.
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Old 09-18-19, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
See, the joke was cars don't walk.


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Do you have to stop for an imperial walker in the crosswalk?
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Old 09-19-19, 08:49 AM
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I was riding to my bike coop again and saw a group of about 6 teenagers j-walking across the street. They crossed even though there was clearly a car coming. Not one of them hesitated. The car had to slow to a stop for them. So it's not just bikes they don't respect—it's their own lives.

That having happened, I think I overreacted with my initial post, and I take back much of what I said. You guys clearly put me in my place, lol.

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