Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

Which one?

Old 09-18-19, 07:40 PM
  #1  
Butch5
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Which one?

Hi guys and gals. I'm a newbie. I haven't ridden in many years. I used to ride all the time when I was a kid and teenager. I'm looking to start riding again for fun and exercise. I looking at getting a used bike to start. I've been looking at different bikes and components but I just don't have the experience to know what's best. I'm looking at two bikes at the moment. One is a 2000 Specialized Allez A1 Sport for $250. It has 24 or 27 speeds (I'm not certain) with a Shimano 105 group set. The other is a 2015 Specialized Allez 18 speed with the Shimano Sora groupset. Its $350. The area I ride in is hilly but not really too bad. Also, on the Allez A1 Sport I'll probably have to replace the right side shifter as the current owner is having issues with it. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Butch

Last edited by Butch5; 09-18-19 at 08:30 PM.
Butch5 is offline  
Old 09-18-19, 10:08 PM
  #2  
MarcusT
Senior Member
 
MarcusT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NE Italy
Posts: 1,006
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 463 Post(s)
Liked 191 Times in 116 Posts
105 parts are much more expensive than Sora parts.
MarcusT is offline  
Old 09-19-19, 04:12 AM
  #3  
horatio 
Hump, what hump?
 
horatio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: SC midlands
Posts: 1,878

Bikes: See signature

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 325 Post(s)
Liked 200 Times in 129 Posts
The 105 shifter may just need a good cleaning. Use this as a price negotiation point. Be sure to check the frames for damage, and buy the bike that fits best. Good luck!
__________________
2010 AB T1X ** 2010 Cannondale SIX-5 ** 1993 Cannondale RS900 ** 1989 Bianchi Brava ** 1988 Nishiki Olympic ** 1987 Centurion Ironman Expert(2) ** 1985 DeRosa Professional SLX ** 1982 Basso Gap ** 198? Ciocc Designer '84 ** 198? Ciocc Competition SL ** 19?? Roberts Audax ** 198? Brian Rourke ** 1982 Mercian Olympic ** 1970 Raleigh Professional MK I ** 1952 Raleigh Sports
horatio is offline  
Likes For horatio:
Old 09-19-19, 04:45 AM
  #4  
bruce19
Senior Member
 
bruce19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Posts: 7,609

Bikes: CAAD 12, MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1368 Post(s)
Liked 741 Times in 446 Posts
Fit is important. If you buy a bike that doesn't fit, the rest won't matter. You will end up unhappy.
bruce19 is offline  
Old 09-19-19, 06:16 AM
  #5  
Butch5
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks guys. I think both bikes would fit me. The guy with the 2015 lowered the price from $350 to $280. Both bikes look to be in good shape. What I'm wondering is, are the older, better 105 components worth the older older bike as opposed to the Newer Sora and newer bike? Is it better to get the older bike with better parts or the newer bike with lower grade parts. I don't know how much better the 105's are compared to the Sora. I also have a 99 Bianchi Eros with Campagnolo Mirage components option for $395. I was going to add links to the bikes but I don't have enough posts.

Last edited by Butch5; 09-19-19 at 06:20 AM.
Butch5 is offline  
Old 09-19-19, 06:35 AM
  #6  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 11,958

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 97 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4860 Post(s)
Liked 2,082 Times in 1,244 Posts
Originally Posted by Butch5 View Post
Thanks guys. I think both bikes would fit me. The guy with the 2015 lowered the price from $350 to $280. Both bikes look to be in good shape. What I'm wondering is, are the older, better 105 components worth the older older bike as opposed to the Newer Sora and newer bike? Is it better to get the older bike with better parts or the newer bike with lower grade parts. I don't know how much better the 105's are compared to the Sora. I also have a 99 Bianchi Eros with Campagnolo Mirage components option for $395. I was going to add links to the bikes but I don't have enough posts.
Both bikes us 9sp cassettes in back(the 105 is 27sp since its a 3x crank).
2015 Sora shifting works perfectly fine. It is accurate and reliable. The Sora shifters used to be an inferior design, but 2015 Sora uses the same paddle design as other Shimano shifters.

If both fit well, I would lean towards the Sora Allez.
- Sora 3500 shifts well.
- The modern 2x9 compact drivetrain is easy to maintain and adjust compared to the near 20 year old 3x9 drivetrain.
- Components most likely are not worn out on the Sora bike.
- The 105 shifter may just need to be cleaned, but if it is legitimately broken, then what? You can search ebay for a used 9sp 105 shifter, buy a mismatched 9sp shifter(like a Sora 3500 since it is compatible), or buy an all new 9sp shifter set. Neither of those 3 sounds appealing when presented with a working bike as an alternative.

105 from the start of the century worked perfectly fine. I dont see 3x9 105 as better than newer 2x9 Sora though. It doesnt hold more appeal to me, at least.

Fit first, though.
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 09-19-19, 06:41 AM
  #7  
KraneXL
 
KraneXL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: La-la Land, CA
Posts: 3,623

Bikes: Cannondale Quick SL1 Bike - 2014

Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3405 Post(s)
Liked 237 Times in 182 Posts
If these were cars all you'd have to do is look at the mileage. Since you don't have that convenience, you have to look at wear and tear which is something only you can see.

Generally speaking, I'd definitely choose the higher grade components, but with a 15 year gap, I' chose the newer bike since you can always upgrade your components as they age. Just start saving now so you'll be ready when its needed.
KraneXL is offline  
Old 09-19-19, 06:50 AM
  #8  
Butch5
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
If these were cars all you'd have to do is look at the mileage. Since you don't have that convenience, you have to look at wear and tear which is something only you can see.

Generally speaking, I'd definitely choose the higher grade components, but with a 15 year gap, I' chose the newer bike since you can always upgrade your components as they age. Just start saving now so you'll be ready when its needed.
That's kind of what I was thinking. Even though the 105's are a better grade, they're almost 20 years old. How worn are they. One of the shifters has an issue. As someone here said, it may just need to be cleaned. I can't easily look at it as it's 3 hrs away. The other bike, the 2015 is about 1 1/2 hr away. I'm trying to be pretty certain which is the better deal before I travel that far to check them out.
Butch5 is offline  
Old 09-19-19, 07:10 AM
  #9  
Butch5
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Both bikes us 9sp cassettes in back(the 105 is 27sp since its a 3x crank).
2015 Sora shifting works perfectly fine. It is accurate and reliable. The Sora shifters used to be an inferior design, but 2015 Sora uses the same paddle design as other Shimano shifters.

If both fit well, I would lean towards the Sora Allez.
- Sora 3500 shifts well.
- The modern 2x9 compact drivetrain is easy to maintain and adjust compared to the near 20 year old 3x9 drivetrain.
- Components most likely are not worn out on the Sora bike.
- The 105 shifter may just need to be cleaned, but if it is legitimately broken, then what? You can search ebay for a used 9sp 105 shifter, buy a mismatched 9sp shifter(like a Sora 3500 since it is compatible), or buy an all new 9sp shifter set. Neither of those 3 sounds appealing when presented with a working bike as an alternative.

105 from the start of the century worked perfectly fine. I dont see 3x9 105 as better than newer 2x9 Sora though. It doesnt hold more appeal to me, at least.

Fit first, though.
Thanks! I was wondering about the older parts and replacements.
Butch5 is offline  
Old 09-19-19, 01:05 PM
  #10  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 11,958

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 97 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4860 Post(s)
Liked 2,082 Times in 1,244 Posts
Originally Posted by Butch5 View Post
Thanks! I was wondering about the older parts and replacements.
For what its worth, Microshift shifters are available for under $50 per pair. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-Shifte...item5d80c831f1 or https://www.ebay.com/itm/7S-8S-9S-10...item2f211b1114
They shift perfectly fine and are significantly less expensive than new Shimano shifters(or used ones too).
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 09-24-19, 07:48 PM
  #11  
Butch5
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks guys for the replies. I ended up getting the 2015 when Ochoa turned put to be a 2014. It turns out it was sport also. Had I known that I probably wouldn't have posted the question.
Butch5 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dpicare26
Road Cycling
21
12-18-20 02:04 AM
nikitary
Road Cycling
16
03-16-16 09:13 PM
Btack26
Road Cycling
14
07-16-15 08:07 PM
ph4nt0mf1ng3rs
Road Cycling
9
07-25-14 06:46 PM
jjhotpop
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
1
05-13-11 09:25 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.