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Old 01-10-20, 01:19 AM
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New to cycling, somewhat surprised

If you are coming back to cycling or just starting out and have a budget for the amount you want to spend on your bike, be aware you should get a Helmet, lights, flat repair kit, lock...etc. These will add possible a couple of hundred so to your total. Don't be shocked and plan accordingly. Ride on!!
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Old 01-10-20, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RocHed11 View Post
If you are coming back to cycling or just starting out and have a budget for the amount you want to spend on your bike, be aware you should get a Helmet, lights, flat repair kit, lock...etc. These will add possible a couple of hundred so to your total. Don't be shocked and plan accordingly. Ride on!!

If the budget is a major concern, all of those can be obtained for well under $100. You can, if you want to, spend a lot on those, but it's not necessary.
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Originally Posted by RocHed11 View Post
If you are coming back to cycling or just starting out and have a budget for the amount you want to spend on your bike, be aware you should get a Helmet, lights, flat repair kit, lock...etc. These will add possible a couple of hundred so to your total. Don't be shocked and plan accordingly. Ride on!!
Those are good things to keep in mind, but some riders don't need each of those items. For example, I rode 7,000+ miles last year, including 79 days commuting to work and around town, and never needed a lock.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Those are good things to keep in mind, but some riders don't need each of those items. For example, I rode 7,000+ miles last year, including 79 days commuting to work and around town, and never needed a lock.
how many flats and what tires do you like?
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Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rider View Post
how many flats and what tires do you like?
I have five bikes, each with different tires, and two are set up tubeless with sealant. I don't think I had a single puncture last year, though I do always carry a spare tube and other tools.

By the same token, I don't think lights are essential for all riders, even though I often use them.
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While not absolutely necessary, there are other accessories that are very nice to have. I consider good riding pants (with chamois) to be essential, a sweat wicking jersey, water bottles and cages, some kind of tool/personal items carrier. some kind of computer/sensors/HRM and/or mount for cell phone, bike shoes/cleats/pedals/socks, bike gloves, chamois cream, cold/foul weather gear. Bike carrier for car. Floor pump (in addition to frame mounted pump). Books and/or other reading material (technique and repair), indoor trainer, spare parts and tools.

I will stop now.
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I bought my first nice bike last year. And I'm of an age where it could be my last unless something happens to it. I figure my equipment outlay was similar to skiing or golf (maybe slightly more), but now I can just ride. Consumables aren't terribly expensive. At least I'm not buying a lift ticket or paying greens fees every time I go out. Cycling isn't a cheap hobby, but I could have chosen something worse for sure.
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Originally Posted by Thomas15 View Post
While not absolutely necessary, there are other accessories that are very nice to have. I consider good riding pants (with chamois) to be essential, a sweat wicking jersey, water bottles and cages, some kind of tool/personal items carrier. some kind of computer/sensors/HRM and/or mount for cell phone, bike shoes/cleats/pedals/socks, bike gloves, chamois cream, cold/foul weather gear. Bike carrier for car. Floor pump (in addition to frame mounted pump). Books and/or other reading material (technique and repair), indoor trainer, spare parts and tools.

I will stop now.
Sorry. Couldn't resist.

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Old 01-10-20, 10:03 AM
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I have to admit, some of the accessories I bought are more on the want side than need side lol
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Old 01-10-20, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post

I've pretty much memorized that movie, so I don't even need to click on the video to like that post!
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Those are good things to keep in mind, but some riders don't need each of those items. For example, I rode 7,000+ miles last year, including 79 days commuting to work and around town, and never needed a lock.

Even if you need a lock, it's just the beginning of the question--how much lock do you need?
Depends on the bike and where and how long you are leaving it.

The price ranges of locks and helmets are absurdly broad, and expensive is not always better.

For example:
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I've pretty much memorized that movie, so I don't even need to click on the video to like that post!
Quite possibly the singularly best piece of cinematography ever produced.
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Quite possibly the singularly best piece of cinematography ever produced.

Definitely, also incredible set design. The B-52 cockpit was classified, so they accurately figured out what the real thing looked like. The War Room is a masterpiece of imagination.

I don't recall any bikes in the movie.
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Old 01-10-20, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Even if you need a lock, it's just the beginning of the question--how much lock do you need?
Depends on the bike and where and how long you are leaving it.

The price ranges of locks and helmets are absurdly broad, and expensive is not always better.

For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D15QH72xfPA
All locks can be overcome. The real purpose of a lock is to discourage most thieves, not to defeat all of them.

By the way, a colleague and I once screened Dr. Strangelove for some students in a course we co-taught on USSR/Russia. Told them in advance that it was satire (duh!), but one of them still complained afterwards that it was the most unrealistic movie she'd ever seen. 'Course, nowadays, about the only part I find implausible is Slim Pickens actually riding the bomb...

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RocHed11, it is the extras that surprise many. I explained that to my children when they wanted to get their first auto. Reminded them of the cost of insurance (sky high in Michigan, and for the entry level driver), fuel, oil changes and annual maintenance, tires, etc.

Houses the same. Sure you can make the payment, but add insurance, taxes, annual maintenance, unexpected repairs, etc. 1000 a month mortgage payment is really more akin to 1500 a month over 20 years.

Fortunately they both live well within their incomes and spent wisely on vehicles. One bought an 8 year old Toyota, the other takes the bus!
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
All locks can be overcome. The real purpose of a lock is to discourage most thieves, not to defeat all of them.

By the way, a colleague and I once screened Dr. Strangelove for some students in a course we co-taught on USSR/Russia. Told them in advance that it was satire (duh!), but one of them still complained afterwards that it was the most unrealistic movie she'd ever seen. 'Course, nowadays, about the only part I find implausible is Slim Pickens actually riding the bomb...Oh, and that it would be dropped on our current president's favorite country.

I agree about the locks and appreciate the Dr. Strangelove lore. The lock in the video, though, is one that costs a list price of $75, is the subject of the very widely seen video I posted, and doesn't look formidable in the least. So if it's supposed to be discouraging, I think one could do a lot better for a lot cheaper (although I have noticed a huge price drop since these disastrous Lock Picking Lawyer videos).
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
appreciate the Dr. Strangelove lore.
Have you ever seen "Failsafe", which was released the same year?
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Have you ever seen "Failsafe", which was released the same year?

Weirdly, I think Dr. Strangelove was the more plausible scenario even though Failsafe tried to play it straight. The ending of Failsafe is ridiculous. Dr. Strangelove is, no surprise, by far the better movie.
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Seats. Accept that you will probably spend the weight of your bicycle in one-dollar bills before you find a seat that you can spend a couple hours on.
Little-known bicycling fact: this is where the British currency term "Pounds" came from.

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Seats. Accept that you will probably spend the weight of your bicycle in one-dollar bills before you find a seat that you can spend a couple hours on.
Little-known bicycling fact: this is where the British currency term "Pounds" came from.

You might, but I wouldn't assume that.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Have you ever seen "Failsafe", which was released the same year?
Failsafe was a better book than movie. And like livedarklions , I think Dr. Strangelove is more plausible, even though it was satire. Nowadays, I can imagine a character as nuts as General Jack D. Ripper or General Buck Turgidson...I just imagine them with spray tans and bad comb-overs.
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Sounds like somebody got suckered by the local bike shop.

I'd get tire levers ($3) and a patch kit $(2) to start. Big whoop, $5 in must haves!

Helmet? I'd go with an inexpensive $40 helmet till I knew I was going to stick with it. But still not a must have.

As far as a lock, I would not need one as a new bike, or any bike for that matter ever leaves my sight when I'm out. If I travel to do a ride, if I have to stop to eat along the way, I find a place to eat outside next to my bike keeping it in view. On a ride, I rest next to my bike and would never leave it alone.

Of course I do not commute but if I did, I would not take one of my bikes unless I could keep it by my side at work.

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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
All locks can be overcome. The real purpose of a lock is to discourage most thieves, not to defeat all of them.

By the way, a colleague and I once screened Dr. Strangelove for some students in a course we co-taught on USSR/Russia. Told them in advance that it was satire (duh!), but one of them still complained afterwards that it was the most unrealistic movie she'd ever seen. 'Course, nowadays, about the only part I find implausible is Slim Pickens actually riding the bomb...Oh, and that it would be dropped on our current president's favorite country.
The father of my wife's best friend was an RAF Wing Captain who did a visiting exchange at SAC in Nebraska. I'm told it was very accurate.
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Sounds like somebody got suckered by the local bike shop.

I'd get tire levers ($3) and a patch kit $(2) to start. Big whoop, $5 in must haves!

Helmet? I'd go with an inexpensive $40 helmet till I knew I was going to stick with it. But still not a must have.

As far as a lock, I would not need one as a new bike, or any bike for that matter ever leaves my sight when I'm out. If I travel to do a ride, if I have to stop to eat along the way, I find a place to eat outside next to my bike keeping it in view. On a ride, I rest next to my bike and would never leave it alone.

Of course I do not commute but if I did, I would not take one of my bikes unless I could keep it by my side at work.
Cool. Some of us do supported and even unsupported camping tours that involve cooking, which requires going into grocery stores. Sometimes large grocery stores. Ever try wheeling around a fully loaded bike with one hand with a basket full of groceries in the other, assuming the store even lets you do that? Did my local hardware store sucker me into buying a lock?

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Originally Posted by RocHed11 View Post
If you are coming back to cycling or just starting out and have a budget for the amount you want to spend on your bike, be aware you should get a Helmet, lights, flat repair kit, lock...etc. These will add possible a couple of hundred so to your total. Don't be shocked and plan accordingly. Ride on!!
I had a similar reaction when I bought my Nishiki Olympic in ‘89. Special clothes, shoes, bottles, bottle cages, helmet, pump. Fewer choices back then, and NO Amazon for shopping. But every hobby has its “entry fee.”
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