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Old 02-15-20, 10:08 PM
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Sportneer trainer on Zwift/Trainerroad

So the sportneer trainer is a popular cheap option on Amazon. I got it and it works well but isn't supported by either of the common apps above. It can be possible though to set up using a surrogate similar trainer with a similar resistance level is my guess? Anyone have any success with that? What resistance level do you use for sportneer trainer and what trainer/ resistance do you select in the app?
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You can use a regular trainer with the apps, but you have to have sensors that can pair with whatever device you use to connect. You will not be able to feel changes in terrain since your trainer does not receive any feedback from the app
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
You can use a regular trainer with the apps, but you have to have sensors that can pair with whatever device you use to connect. You will not be able to feel changes in terrain since your trainer does not receive any feedback from the app
Yes ... I am using a speed sensor on my wheel. I don't have a powermeter. Roadtrainer knows the resistance of some trainers so it can approximate power from the speed of the wheel by knowing the usual resistance of said trainer. The sportneer isn't one of those trainers so I was wondering if someone figured out which of the trainers that roadtrainer knows the resistance for is closest ( that way I can cheat by setting up as if I am on that particular trainer and get a decent estimate)
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Originally Posted by oik01
Yes ... I am using a speed sensor on my wheel. I don't have a powermeter. Roadtrainer knows the resistance of some trainers so it can approximate power from the speed of the wheel by knowing the usual resistance of said trainer. The sportneer isn't one of those trainers so I was wondering if someone figured out which of the trainers that roadtrainer knows the resistance for is closest ( that way I can cheat by setting up as if I am on that particular trainer and get a decent estimate)
No idea - I doubt there is a published comparable...but at the same time this is the internet, so who knows. Anyways, I would try the Cycleops Fluid 2 trainer and see what that gets you for speed and resistance.
Zwift is hardly real life- everyone that I know who uses it(admittedly small amount) and I are all faster on Zwift that real life, and we use different brand trainers. A couple are smart, a few are dumb, and all are faster than actually riding.
All this is only bad if you are racing and affect others by being faster than you actually would be with a compatible trainer.

If the trainer you use seems close enough for you to feel like the work you put in is relatively accurate to the results you see, then perfect. If it isnt, then its easy to change and select a different trainer at the log-in screen.
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I tried using Zwift with a non-supported mag trainer. Even with cadence and speed sensors, I couldn't move fast enough to get away from runners no matter how fast I pedaled.

A few months ago I bought a used Kurt Kinetic fluid trainer (wish I'd splurged for the Rock and Roll!), and spent $50 for their iNride sensor. It has a known power curve and the sensor provides a power output that lets me ride at speed in Zwift. Granted, it doesn't provide resistance changes to terrain, which is why I call it my "HalfSmart" trainer... I paid $90 for the used trainer, $50 for the ANT+ sensor. A few bucks for an ANT+ USB dongle, a 15 foot USB extension puts the ANT+ dongle at the trainer for the best possible signal quality. I use a laptop presently for Zwift, then HDMI cable to my 50" TV. And my phone on the bike for the Companion app.
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You are right. I though about it but then figured that if I am buying a used trainer with some other equipment to add up to 100$, then I would rather wait a bit and buy a used powermeter. Some of those things can be had for low 200s on ebay and that would solve the problem entirely even when using an unsupported trainer. If zwift/ roadtrainer can get direct and accurate power data they should be able to portray my speed on hills/ flats similarly to others on supported trainers.
I was hoping for a magic solution in the meanwhile. Im using it with a setup as a random other trainer and so far roadtrainer gives me reasonable numbers I think. My FTP ended up around 150 when I did the test which is what it predicted it would be. Im relatively new to cycling.... average around 15-16 mph on a 1 mile park loop with hill and descent. The number I got sounded reasonable but I just don't really know for sure so was hoping for something more concrete than me just picking a random trainer/ resistance combo and hoping it was similar to what I had.
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Originally Posted by oik01
You are right. I though about it but then figured that if I am buying a used trainer with some other equipment to add up to 100$, then I would rather wait a bit and buy a used powermeter. Some of those things can be had for low 200s on ebay and that would solve the problem entirely even when using an unsupported trainer. If zwift/ roadtrainer can get direct and accurate power data they should be able to portray my speed on hills/ flats similarly to others on supported trainers.
I was hoping for a magic solution in the meanwhile. Im using it with a setup as a random other trainer and so far roadtrainer gives me reasonable numbers I think. My FTP ended up around 150 when I did the test which is what it predicted it would be. Im relatively new to cycling.... average around 15-16 mph on a 1 mile park loop with hill and descent. The number I got sounded reasonable but I just don't really know for sure so was hoping for something more concrete than me just picking a random trainer/ resistance combo and hoping it was similar to what I had.
I looked at a number of things for the "cheap/easy" way. But in the end, I bit the bullet. I certainly see value in a power meter, but I have multiple bikes and I'm NOT going to put a power meter on every bike. So for now, my indoor bike on the trainer will suffice for my power output. I'll be ok with estimated power from Strava with outdoor rides. I will likely add a full smart trainer for next winter though,

I decided to use a fluid trainer over the mag, as the resistance changes with my effort. Unlike the mag trainer which stays the same unless I move the lever. Seems like no big deal, but it was easy to just be lazy.
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Originally Posted by zjrog
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........A few months ago I bought a used Kurt Kinetic fluid trainer (wish I'd splurged for the Rock and Roll!), and spent $50 for their iNride sensor. It has a known power curve and the sensor provides a power output that lets me ride at speed in Zwift. Granted, it doesn't provide resistance changes to terrain, which is why I call it my "HalfSmart" trainer... I paid $90 for the used trainer, $50 for the ANT+ sensor. A few bucks for an ANT+ USB dongle, a 15 foot USB extension puts the ANT+ dongle at the trainer for the best possible signal quality. I use a laptop presently for Zwift, then HDMI cable to my 50" TV. And my phone on the bike for the Companion app.

This is almost exactly my story in every detail except I found a Kinetic trainer that needed minor repairs for a little less money ($50.00). I also bought the InRide sensor, a wheel on trainer tire, a dongle and HDMI cable from PC laptop to TV running Zwift and using the companion app on an I-phone. I added a $20 cadence monitor because the InRide estimates the cadence, but it is fairly accurate. I also (as I'm sure zjrog does) use a HRM. Semi-smart is the way I describe this set up also. Sometimes, even though I correctly pair the ANT+ sensors, sometimes the InRide will take over for the cadence sensor IF I stop pedaling on a downhill. When that happens it makes it very difficult to do a super tuck but that is only a minor annoyance. In other words I'm not going to pay $1000 for a smart trainer just to achieve flawless super tucks.


I think for a budget set up and given that i'm a Zwift beginner this is a good option. Hard to spend the bux for a smart trainer when you are not sure if you will like it. I am totally addicted to it and may at some point upgrade to a smart trainer but this set up actually works well.


When you are on an uphill grade, the InRide requires additional w/kg to achieve/maintain speed. This can only be accomplished (within reason) by shifting to a higher gear instead of a lower gear as you would do if you were pulling a real hill outside. But the w/kg requirement is close to what would be needed outside, it's just that you are in a different gear.


I know that some posters here have a dim view of indoor training. But for me it has turned out to be a big positive and at a low cost. When I first started doing this in mid-November I struggled to do any kind of prolonged (say 1 mile+) uphill at +/- 10% grade. Now I can do this with relative ease and at 90% of max HR. So there is no doubt that using the trainer has helped increase my physical ability and Zwift has helped make it interesting enough for me to get on the thing 6 days/week.

I do a lot of climbing on Zwift. What I would consider "a lot" might be nothing to some but in the last 7 days I have climbed 17,000 feet and have been up the Alpe du-Zwift two times. Last night I did the less demanding "Epic KOM" of which I haven't been on in about a month. In my head last night was a "recovery" ride so I wasn't trying to pull big numbers. Still, I beat my personal best on the Epic KOM by 4.5 minutes. Even if not real world accurate it is still relative and this is a big improvement.

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@Thomas15 I have Wahoo Blue Speed and Cadence sensors on many of my bikes, and prefer that for cadence vs the iNride estimation. I don't do much "climbing", so don't get to "Super Tuck" much. One thing I hate about Half Smart and climbing, no matter how much I spin, or don't, my speed is regulated by Zwift, again as an estimate. I honestly think with added resistance, I could get more speed climbing.

I recently had a physical therapy based bike fit, that included time on a wheel off trainer. A Tacx Neo2. I really liked it, and it felt a lot different than I expected. Which is why I think I could power through. So I see value in the true Smart Trainer. I also am cheap. So a mere $350 or so gets me the Kurt Kinetic Smart Control head, so I could just swap that for my fluid head. But going wheel off does seem more efficient.

So yes. After being terrified after a cardiology visit, I became religious with HRM usage. I nearly panicked recently as. Y 5 year old Wahoo Tickr started dropping out. So I ordered the Tickr X as a replacement. And I have started looking at Heart Rate Variability. But that's outside the scope of this topic...
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@Thomas15 I have Wahoo Blue Speed and Cadence sensors on many of my bikes, and prefer that for cadence vs the iNride estimation. I don't do much "climbing", so don't get to "Super Tuck" much. One thing I hate about Half Smart and climbing, no matter how much I spin, or don't, my speed is regulated by Zwift, again as an estimate. I honestly think with added resistance, I could get more speed climbing.


I recently had a physical therapy based bike fit, that included time on a wheel off trainer. A Tacx Neo2. I really liked it, and it felt a lot different than I expected. Which is why I think I could power through. So I see value in the true Smart Trainer. I also am cheap. So a mere $350 or so gets me the Kurt Kinetic Smart Control head, so I could just swap that for my fluid head. But going wheel off does seem more efficient.


So yes. After being terrified after a cardiology visit, I became religious with HRM usage. I nearly panicked recently as. Y 5 year old Wahoo Tickr started dropping out. So I ordered the Tickr X as a replacement. And I have started looking at Heart Rate Variability. But that's outside the scope of this topic...

I believe you are correct that more resistance will give more speed on climbs. That is my experience anyway. Of course you have to expend more energy also.


I have a difficult time maintaining anything over 85 RPM for very long, on the long slogs like the Alpe my cadence is in the 60s with a power of about max 2.8-2.9 w/kg., adv. 2.6-2.7 w/kg. I weigh 65.8 kg and 61 years old, FTP 176. My HR if I'm riding with others will be 170-180+ which can be scary I will admit. I've only been riding for about a year, I wasn't in terrible shape before but not tone either. I seem to do better climbing rather than sprints, which is great as I live in the mountains.


I have a Tickr and also an inexpensive optical arm HRM. I use the optical way more than the Tickr.
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I believe you are correct that more resistance will give more speed on climbs. That is my experience anyway. Of course you have to expend more energy also.


I have a difficult time maintaining anything over 85 RPM for very long, on the long slogs like the Alpe my cadence is in the 60s with a power of about max 2.8-2.9 w/kg., adv. 2.6-2.7 w/kg. I weigh 65.8 kg and 61 years old, FTP 176. My HR if I'm riding with others will be 170-180+ which can be scary I will admit. I've only been riding for about a year, I wasn't in terrible shape before but not tone either. I seem to do better climbing rather than sprints, which is great as I live in the mountains.


I have a Tickr and also an inexpensive optical arm HRM. I use the optical way more than the Tickr.
I'm 30 and I think your fitter than me. Kudos to you ... And as for me ... I think i need to get back on that trainer 🤦🏻‍♂️
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I'm 30 and I think your fitter than me. Kudos to you ... And as for me ... I think i need to get back on that trainer 🤦🏻‍♂️
Keep at it my brother and you will be surprised at what you can achieve. It all depends on how much of a commitment you make.
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Originally Posted by oik01
So the sportneer trainer is a popular cheap option on Amazon. I got it and it works well but isn't supported by either of the common apps above. It can be possible though to set up using a surrogate similar trainer with a similar resistance level is my guess? Anyone have any success with that? What resistance level do you use for sportneer trainer and what trainer/ resistance do you select in the app?
Hi Oik01, Im very curious to know if you managed to get your question answered? Ive got the sportneer trainer as well, and thinking the best option is to select a supported trainer in the settings that matches similar to the sportneer. DId you get anywhere with it? Chris
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Sportneer Fluid trainer

Same here! Any tips on what supported trainer to relate to my Sportneer Fluid trainer would help. Pedaling in my top gear, which would be about 35-40km/hr on the road, I get between 10-15 km/hr "Zwift" speed. Everyone passes me. Still good exercise, but so unrealistic.
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