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Old 03-26-20, 04:50 PM
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Yelling from the passenger seat

I am very cautious when riding, and predominantly obey traffic rules. The other day on my way back from a 50 miler I was at cruising speed and didn't stop at a stop sign. It was at a 4 way stop intersection and there were no vehicles in sight. Ten seconds later a vehicle passes and the passenger sticks her head out the window and yells "Your supposed to stop at the stop sign". I was about 6 miles from finishing an enjoyable ride when this ruined it....why is she interfering with my ride when I didn't interfere with her driving (her car was no where near me when I blew the stop sign). If there ever was a time for me to pedal 50mph, this was it.....I wanted so badly to catch up with the car and tell her to mind her business. Was I wrong for not stopping when there are no vehicles in sight, or was she wrong for telling me that I am supposed to?

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Old 03-26-20, 05:02 PM
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Well...I always stop at stop signs, and I get yelled at for that, too. Some people just like to yell.

At least they didn't bark out the window. (What's up with passengers doing that, anyway?)
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I had a guy do that to me several weeks back. I was at a T intersection where the the right hand prong of the T was a dirt road that had been closed to traffic (and barricaded by the county to enforce that) after it washed away in a storm and they decided not to repair it. So it's not even a real intersection anymore, since anyone driving up to it is either turning right, or turning left, but nobody's crossing in front of the other lane. I don't even know why there's still stop signs there. I was the one turning right, and as I approached the intersection some doofus pulls up turning left to go down the road I was on. I slowed enough to make a safe 90-degree right turn and as I rode through it the guy yelled at me out of his open window. Was I wrong not to stop at the intersection? Yes according to the law, because there's still a stop sign there for whatever reason. Do I feel bad about it? No way Jose. But this dude feels like he's gotta play Judge Dredd on me. Screw that!

Fortunately I don't let things like that bother me for more than a few seconds. I've got plenty of other things I'd rather be thinking about during my rides, so it didn't spoil the mood of the ride for me.
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Old 03-26-20, 05:39 PM
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Yes, you committed a traffic infraction, unless you live in Idaho. But unless the person wore a badge and the car had lights and a siren, I wouldn't even respond. Smile and wave, boys. Smile and wave.
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No cars, no stop... Been doing it all my life, don't plan on stopping. But I look three times to be absolutely sure. Some bad choices don't get do-overs. As far as self-righteous drivers, ignoring them utterly - not even taking my hands off the bars or looking at them is enormously satisfying since they don't get the reaction they seem to crave in order to validate themselves.
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Originally Posted by hrdknox1 View Post
I am very cautious when riding, and predominantly obey traffic rules. The other day on my way back from a 50 miler I was at cruising speed and didn't stop at a stop sign. It was at a 4 way stop intersection and there were no vehicles in sight. Ten seconds later a vehicle passes and the passenger sticks her head out the window and yells "Your supposed to stop at the stop sign". I was about 6 miles from finishing an enjoyable ride when this ruined it....why is she interfering with my ride when I didn't interfere with her driving (her car was no where near me when I blew the stop sign). If there ever was a time for me to pedal 50mph, this was it.....I wanted so badly to catch up with the car and tell her to mind her business. Was I wrong for not stopping when there are no vehicles in sight, or was she wrong for telling me that I am supposed to?
yes, you should have stopped.
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Old 03-26-20, 07:23 PM
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Hmmmm .... First off, you broke the law. So it isn't "Mind your own business." You Chose to break the law. And public criminal acts are everyone's business.

Most of us would have done the same at that intersection---no cars, no need to stop. However, if I blow through a stop sign, I cannot complain if someone complains. I made the choice, I take the responsibility.

Yes, having someone yell at you can be upsetting. I have learned (and it has Not been easy) to immediately smile and wave if I can .... or not, .... but I try never to let it really affect me. Whether it is someone who thinks he is being funny, a total jerk, someone who doesn't realize that startling me might make me crash, or someone who wants me to crash .... I have it down almost to a reflex---I smile and usually say "Thank you" or some other such pleasantry. Otherwise I might do what I used to do---shout curses and make rude gestures. That just messes up my day and probably makes the shouter laugh with glee. No one who deserves to win, wins if I get mad. I win if I don't.

And of course, sometimes I slip .... but I always focus on my response, not the verbal assault. That way I can get back on an even keel quicker.

So ... yeah, it is sad but it could be a lot worse. When I rode daily in Central Florida, people would sometimes throw things or even swerve to "scare" a rider ... by actually endangering the rider's life, which we all know is really funny. Getting run off the road in the dark is nothing but humor.

But here is another scenario I faced;

I was riding safely, a reasonable distance from the curb so that I was safe and cars could pass, when I was screamed at from a passing car. I turned to shout some curses ... and saw two kids, maybe nine and seven, cracking up with laughter and waving. They were just delighted to see a fat man on a bicycle out in traffic. There was no malice in them at all---they were loving life and being friendly, in their minds.

So ... if I had not caught myself, instead of having a fun time and seeing a cyclist---sort of like a trip to the zoo---"Look at the funny fat man in spandex! Wheeee!" I could have left them with the impression that cyclists were snarly, screeching rage-filled animals. i could have scared them. Instead, I left them laughing.

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Old 03-26-20, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Yes, you committed a traffic infraction, unless you live in Idaho.
or Arkansas
or Oregon

These three states now allow cyclist to treat stop signs like yield signs.
Next time tell them itís civil disobedience.
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Old 03-26-20, 07:42 PM
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I tend to think to myself that if they off their fat ****s (sorry) and rode a bike,

they would treat stop signs the same as many of us do.

Plus if you slavishly stop at every one, drivers will be unhappy because you're holding up traffic.

This was done as a protest in SF after a crackdown on cyclists. Traffic backed up and drivers tore their hair.
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Old 03-26-20, 08:24 PM
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Living with integrity: doing the right thing even when no one is looking. Riding with integrity: don't stop til you've crossed the finish line!

I've been out in the middle of nowhere on soooooo many rides, just cruising, locked in, tempo.... and a vehicle passes me with a dog whose head is out the window and has learned the EXACT millisecond to BARK at me for the speed of the vehicle and my place on the road. Ugh! Just about maxes out my HR, makes me pedal really fast for a few revs, and usually kind of irritates me, even though I LOVE dogs. I know they're just being dogs, but whoa! Scares the beans outta me!!! People yelling at me? I chalk that up to ignorance and jealousy.
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Old 03-26-20, 08:49 PM
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A stop sign is a stop stop sign. I live in Oregon and I still stop for stop signs. You were wrong and you blame the person who calls you on it

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Old 03-26-20, 09:56 PM
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The only mistake you made, is having witnesses.

No harm, no foul, yes you "broke the law" which becomes relevant if you get caught.

The rule in Shanghai at the moment? No cop, no stop. (usually its a slow, *look* and go)
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"the only winning move is to not play the game". Joshua 'Wargames'.

I used to get upset with certain behaviours that people exhibited as I rode my bicycle. Now I just ignore them and think that they're just trying to steal my joy.

Cheers
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One of the sick things in Western society, is a lot of people are experts on what everyone else should do. Sometimes you do something for a good reason, but other people don't understand.

An example when driving a truck. People believe you should be in a certain lane. Sometimes there is a good reason why a truck is in another lane. Some motorists who believe a truck is in the wrong lane, pull in front of the truck and hit the brakes. It is an easy way to die.

People should normally mind their own business, unless there is a genuine problem.

It is often people wasting their own lives that are experts on what everyone else should do.
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If I were in your shoes and I had the opportunity to do the exact same thing. I would do it, I would do it every day that no one was anywhere close.
If I didn't know better, I would think we lived in a police state.... Listen to these OP comments. There's hardly a week goes by when everyone of us doesn't break the law these days.
Ride your bike like you own it, ride your bike like you own the road and laugh at the person hanging out the window acting like they're a friend of the Supreme Law of the Land....
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OP, here are a few things to consider:

Obeying all traffic laws is probably a great way to minimize the risk of injury and driver hostility (it will never eliminate it). Whatever words the driver/passenger who observed the stop sign violation used they can be translated to "This is why we hate you". It is true you can be doing everything right and still have unpleasant interactions with drivers/passengers. Sometimes they're just insecure people who at the moment have the mechanical upper hand or they're taking some other cyclist's poor behavior out on you; sometimes it's both. By all means, ride the way you want to but understand ignoring traffic laws p*sses drivers off and you'll undoubtedly have more of the same kind of interaction. In either case, you'd be best to cage that bird and keep your mouth shut, right or wrong. The world is full of people who I've tagged as "CNN Minutes", they're capable of things in the heat of the moment that you can't fathom and frankly, don't want to. The problem with CNN Minute people is they don't have name tags or signs on their cars; you don't know you've found one until it's too late.

Let it roll off your back and ride your ride. Holding on to anger about things you can't control is like drinking poison hoping someone else will die.
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Funny flip side. I got a compliment from a cop for not running a red light. He said that I was the first cyclist he has seen that waited for a red light.

To the OP...I am a little disturbed you ran a 4 way at "cruising" speed. I've been almost leveled by other cyclist running stop signs.
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Virtue signaling is strong on this thread
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Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
OP, here are a few things to consider:

Obeying all traffic laws is probably a great way to minimize the risk of injury and driver hostility (it will never eliminate it). Whatever words the driver/passenger who observed the stop sign violation used they can be translated to "This is why we hate you". It is true you can be doing everything right and still have unpleasant interactions with drivers/passengers. Sometimes they're just insecure people who at the moment have the mechanical upper hand or they're taking some other cyclist's poor behavior out on you; sometimes it's both. By all means, ride the way you want to but understand ignoring traffic laws p*sses drivers off and you'll undoubtedly have more of the same kind of interaction. In either case, you'd be best to cage that bird and keep your mouth shut, right or wrong. The world is full of people who I've tagged as "CNN Minutes", they're capable of things in the heat of the moment that you can't fathom and frankly, don't want to. The problem with CNN Minute people is they don't have name tags or signs on their cars; you don't know you've found one until it's too late.

Let it roll off your back and ride your ride. Holding on to anger about things you can't control is like drinking poison hoping someone else will die.


I don't actually agree with this.

The road system is not well designed for cyclists. Some left turn situations, in particular, are deadly.

In California, lane splitting is allowed because bikers get rear-ended in stopped traffic.
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Two points:

First, always take responsibility. if you choose to run a stop sign, own it. If someone yells, though .... disown it.

Which is point two---there will always be people complaining no matter what. Those people are generally idiots---but even if they have a valid point, it is their point. Accept what is true, and discard the emotion. Ride on.
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Obeying all traffic laws is probably a great way to minimize the risk of injury and driver hostility (it will never eliminate it).

Let it roll off your back and ride your ride. Holding on to anger about things you can't control is like drinking poison hoping someone else will die.
I generally agree. When i choose to break a traffic law, I Know I am doing it, and why. Sometimes i wait at lights just to not soil the reputation of cyclists in general, because the next rider that irate driver meets might get ta bad reaction engendered by my bad action.

Sometimes I don't.
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I don't actually agree with this. (re: Obeying all traffic laws is probably a great way to minimize the risk of injury and driver hostility (it will never eliminate it).)

The road system is not well designed for cyclists. Some left turn situations, in particular, are deadly.

In California, lane splitting is allowed because bikers get rear-ended in stopped traffic.
Ummm .... so lane-splitting in Cali is ... obeying the traffic laws, right?

I find most traffic laws are actually pretty decent. And most states (I have only investigate the uniform traffic code for about 2/3) have laws allowing bikes to take the lane, and such. I try not to make left turns, but I have been riding in traffic for fifty years and they haven't killed me yet .... so Something works (of course, some folks would say this proves that something is Not working. .... )
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I don't actually agree with this.

The road system is not well designed for cyclists. Some left turn situations, in particular, are deadly.

In California, lane splitting is allowed because bikers get rear-ended in stopped traffic.

Whether we agree or not; it doesn't change the truth.
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Originally Posted by AdkMtnMonster View Post
Living with integrity: doing the right thing even when no one is looking. Riding with integrity: don't stop til you've crossed the finish line!

I've been out in the middle of nowhere on soooooo many rides, just cruising, locked in, tempo.... and a vehicle passes me with a dog whose head is out the window and has learned the EXACT millisecond to BARK at me for the speed of the vehicle and my place on the road. Ugh! Just about maxes out my HR, makes me pedal really fast for a few revs, and usually kind of irritates me, even though I LOVE dogs. I know they're just being dogs, but whoa! Scares the beans outta me!!! People yelling at me? I chalk that up to ignorance and jealousy.

I always have the same reaction to the barking dog in car window scenario, and it's reflex--First, I get startled in a big way, then I immediately start laughing out of amusement. For some reason, I just find it funny that I have no clue what the dog thinks it's telling me. "Don't try to get in the car", "I'm going to jump out and get you", "throw me your water bottle", "got any spare hamburger?"
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