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Old 05-01-20, 11:43 PM
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Skunk lock or Ziilock

I have a New York U-lock on the way from Amazon. As usual, itís a better deterrent to have two locks to protect a bike. Iím looking between the new Ziilock and the infamous Skunklock.

Iím protecting a brand new Trek FX3

Which one would you choose? Is there another lock you would consider for a 2nd lock?
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Old 05-02-20, 11:47 AM
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None of the above Faggettabout low quality locks with gimmicks. If I want a good lock I am going to go with an ABUS lock and probably would stick with Bordo Granit X-Plus or go with the Granit CityChain XPlus as well as locks for wheels and potentially other components (ala PitLock) If I want max security and weight wasn't an issue I would look at this one. With the Granit Power Chain I could get other plus keyed locks keyed a like to it so I only have one key to worry about when opening locks.

The only thing I found on Zillock was in Korean and not an official website? Not a good sign. The Skunklock is a gimmick and certainly something that can fail easily. I want my lock filled with properly hardened and tempered virgin steel ideally made by someone who invented the damn thing and continues innovating and testing products to the extreme. I don't want a thing some guys made in their basement and sold it on kickstarter at least not to protect my bike.
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I have 9 assorted Kryptonite locks, 2 Abus Granite Bordo folding locks and Pitlock for the wheels. So I can mix and match depending on the risk that I need to deal with.

The problem with any second lock is that you actually have to carry all that weight. That is why I really like the Pitlock for the wheels, they weigh nothing. The only problem with Pitlock is it looks like the wheels are not locked to the casual observer/thief. For this reason just having a cable lock as a visual deterrent might help. You only have to make your bike harder to steal than the others around it.

My choice would be a Krypto cable with Pitlocks for both wheels and your U lock and you will be safer than most.
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I have 9 assorted Kryptonite locks, 2 Abus Granite Bordo folding locks and Pitlock for the wheels. So I can mix and match depending on the risk that I need to deal with.

The problem with any second lock is that you actually have to carry all that weight. That is why I really like the Pitlock for the wheels, they weigh nothing. The only problem with Pitlock is it looks like the wheels are not locked to the casual observer/thief. For this reason just having a cable lock as a visual deterrent might help. You only have to make your bike harder to steal than the others around it.

My choice would be a Krypto cable with Pitlocks for both wheels and your U lock and you will be safer than most.
Iím planning to get Pitlocks. I went with the Kryptonite New York for main the lock. Abus 540ís have been hard to come by with the Pandemic.

The Skunklock seems easily defeated with a plastics bag. Ziilock is using Bluetooth. I doubt itíll ever have the 100 M range unless youíre outside. Every wall cuts down the range of Bluetooth. Ziilock alerts would be useless at a movie theatre or a Walmart.
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Old 05-10-20, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by blakcloud View Post
I have 9 assorted Kryptonite locks, 2 Abus Granite Bordo folding locks and Pitlock for the wheels. So I can mix and match depending on the risk that I need to deal with.

The problem with any second lock is that you actually have to carry all that weight. That is why I really like the Pitlock for the wheels, they weigh nothing. The only problem with Pitlock is it looks like the wheels are not locked to the casual observer/thief. For this reason just having a cable lock as a visual deterrent might help. You only have to make your bike harder to steal than the others around it.

My choice would be a Krypto cable with Pitlocks for both wheels and your U lock and you will be safer than most.
Itís very bizarre the makes of Skunklock decided to not make a mounting bracket for their lock.
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Originally Posted by sdowen View Post
Iím planning to get Pitlocks. I went with the Kryptonite New York for main the lock. Abus 540ís have been hard to come by with the Pandemic.

The Skunklock seems easily defeated with a plastics bag. Ziilock is using Bluetooth. I doubt itíll ever have the 100 M range unless youíre outside. Every wall cuts down the range of Bluetooth. Ziilock alerts would be useless at a movie theatre or a Walmart.
ABUS is still shipping during the crisis, I just placed another 15 Keyed Alike orders Thursday and received a few late last week. Highway Two their U.S. distributor is still open and serving shops and has those locks available. QBP which is another major distributor too many many many shops also has 50+ of the 540 4X9" in stock and stock of the shorter and longer version as well. The only ABUS locks they are out of completely in all sizes are the 770A Smart Locks, the Brooklyn Chain (which uses a cheaper padlock I would replace) and the wall anchor. I also have a brand new one in package that I have yet to use that I am willing to sell. Even Billionaire Jeff Bezos, has them in stock on his website and he is always hurting for money (they said without any hint of sarcasm what so ever)

It is tougher to get stuff these days but most of the bike industry is rallying together to keep everyone stocked and ready to go. We haven't slowed down in this crisis only gotten busier and busier at our shop.
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Old 05-10-20, 09:32 PM
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ABUS is still shipping during the crisis, I just placed another 15 Keyed Alike orders Thursday and received a few late last week. Highway Two their U.S. distributor is still open and serving shops and has those locks available. QBP which is another major distributor too many many many shops also has 50+ of the 540 4X9" in stock and stock of the shorter and longer version as well. The only ABUS locks they are out of completely in all sizes are the 770A Smart Locks, the Brooklyn Chain (which uses a cheaper padlock I would replace) and the wall anchor. I also have a brand new one in package that I have yet to use that I am willing to sell. Even Billionaire Jeff Bezos, has them in stock on his website and he is always hurting for money (they said without any hint of sarcasm what so ever)

It is tougher to get stuff these days but most of the bike industry is rallying together to keep everyone stocked and ready to go. We haven't slowed down in this crisis only gotten busier and busier at our shop.
Itís harder is Canada where US shipments are being slowed. Only the shorter Abus lock has been easily available without paying over the top prices to get the 300 mm lock.

I did get a Foldy Lock for the 2nd lock. The quality of the Foldy lock is on par with the Abus 6000 folding lock.

I have the New York Standard. Itís heavier than I would like, itís better than not having a high quality lock.

The Trek FX3 has 100 mm front and a 135 mm rear. Iím guessing I would have to cut down the Pitlocks with a hacksaw to get them to fit.

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Old 05-11-20, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sdowen View Post
Itís harder is Canada where US shipments are being slowed. Only the shorter Abus lock has been easily available without paying over the top prices to get the 300 mm lock.

I did get a Foldy Lock for the 2nd lock. The quality of the Foldy lock is on par with the Abus 6000 folding lock.

I have the New York Standard. Itís heavier than I would like, itís better than not having a high quality lock.

The Trek FX3 has 100 mm front and a 135 mm rear. Iím guessing I would have to cut down the Pitlocks with a hacksaw to get them to fit.
Ahhh you are in Canada home of Letterkenny and Trailer Park Boys can't complain about that two excellent shows, to be fair. I am unsure of the Canadian distribution other than QBP does exist in Canada.

The quality of the Foldy is probably not all that close. Looks maybe but internals probably not. Most companies have had issues with their folding locks being secure because they don't know what ABUS does and they haven't been able to figure it out. A Kryptonite rep for instance said their version are low security because you cannot make it high security and I said explain the 6500 from ABUS and he moved on quickly to talk about lights.

The problem is when you try to copy something you can only get so far unless you are a sleazy company that literally just rips off the entire design but in that case you would have to have worked at ABUS and seen their process and copied that exactly and you would be in legal trouble for that. Locks are more than just looks it is the tempering and hardening and quality of steel and the testing you do to ensure it will last. A lot of lock companies are there to get a sticker and so long as the lock barely eeks by for that sticker or rating from some independent testing they are happy, a lock should exceed those tests and should be made to even higher standards.

I don't think you need to cut down pitlocks though it is possible I haven't took an in depth look at them in a while because my needs changed and never ended up getting them.
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Originally Posted by sdowen View Post
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The Trek FX3 has 100 mm front and a 135 mm rear. Iím guessing I would have to cut down the Pitlocks with a hacksaw to get them to fit.
You typically don't need to cut down the threaded portion of the Pitlock. Your spacing is 100/135 but the actual length of the skewer is longer to accommodate both sides of the dropout plus the length of the clamping mechanism on each side, hence the longer numbers you see. Just like a quick release, they aren't much different.

Glad to hear you bought a second lock. The Foldylock looks like it is new to the market and looks good enough. I have yet to see any credible information that suggests that the lock is inferior to its competitors so I will not make judgement on it. I did watch their video and it certainly looked impressive.

You are well prepared for decreasing the risk of your bike being stolen. As a fellow Canadian, I feel your pain in getting product and of course the crazy prices we pay.
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Old 05-11-20, 12:31 PM
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You typically don't need to cut down the threaded portion of the Pitlock. Your spacing is 100/135 but the actual length of the skewer is longer to accommodate both sides of the dropout plus the length of the clamping mechanism on each side, hence the longer numbers you see. Just like a quick release, they aren't much different.

Glad to hear you bought a second lock. The Foldylock looks like it is new to the market and looks good enough. I have yet to see any credible information that suggests that the lock is inferior to its competitors so I will not make judgement on it. I did watch their video and it certainly looked impressive.

You are well prepared for decreasing the risk of your bike being stolen. As a fellow Canadian, I feel your pain in getting product and of course the crazy prices we pay.
Iíve never gotten the premise of Kryptoniteís theft insurance. Most Expert bike thieves take the lock with them to prevent leaving fingerprints and evidence behind.

Foldylock comes from the Magnum Elextric Bike company. Itís commercial product from a bigger company vs one of these fly-by-night GoFundMe companies that often disappear within 2-5 years.

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Old 05-13-20, 09:27 AM
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You typically don't need to cut down the threaded portion of the Pitlock. Your spacing is 100/135 but the actual length of the skewer is longer to accommodate both sides of the dropout plus the length of the clamping mechanism on each side, hence the longer numbers you see. .
Yup! That's right. Pitlock recommends 10mm for the locking mechanism. The skewer length numbers they provide all exclude that 10mm (eg, the 155mm skewer is actually 165mm, and 119 is actually 129mm, etc.)
There's no harm in cutting them; it's actually a pretty common thing. Pitlock offers caps to place on the end of the skewers, and with too much extra length sticking out it's impossible to put them on. Plus, a bunch of extra skewer isn't super aesthetically pleasing...

As a side note - Pitlock skewers are all threaded for 30mm. The 155mm skewer (actually 165mm) is threaded between 135 and 165mm. Pitlock offers non-standard sizes (and even a fully threaded 250mm skewer) to try and accommodate all bikes using quick release skewers. We offer them all for sale https://www.urbanbiketech.com/produc...-without-lock/

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