The last bike I'll ever buy
Hey everyone, first post here.
I'm looking to buy a new road/tourism/gravel bike, for hybrid use (commuting, traveling, skiing). I've checked online and found tons of possibilities, of course, with almost endless choices regarding all the possible aspects of the bike. My question here is a bit lateral, perhaps: what bike, or bikes, or kind of bike, can I expect to last the longest? Right now I'm using a Cannondale H800 from, I believe, 1994. I've been using it a lot and for a very long time, been hit by a (slow) car once, and in time I've changed almost all the components, but it's still working (frame and fork are original). I find this quite amazing: it's so old, but with some maintenance it stil serves it function. Now I want to replace it with something similar, because it's a bit too small for me, because it does show its age, and because in Italy there is a €500 bonus for buying a bike. I'm looking for something in the €1000-1500 range (but can think of going a bit higher if it's worth it). What aspects should I take into consideration regarding the likelihood that it'll last me just as long as the Cannondale? (For example: carbon vs aluminium vs steel for both frame and fork, mechanical vs fluid for the brakes, model of the derailleur, etc) I'm not a pro, I'm not obsessed with speed, I'm not looking for the highest-end components. I mostly want it to be solid, and to carry me around even with a heavy load. Thanks in advance. |
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Maybe look at touring bikes. Built to last, comfortable and for heavy loads. You should be able to find models with drop or flat/riser handlebars. Somehow I believe you it will be the last bike you will ever buy. Me I've said that about last 10 bikes.
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Welcome! I'd say a steel touring bike is your best bet for longevity. You can change every piece on it over the years and expect it to keep performing. Brand is subject to taste and preference and the components you select will depend on the job requirements. I have not bought a "new" bike since the mid-'90s but somehow I keep buying bikes. Good luck!
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Something closer to your Cannondale would be something like the Jamis Coda Elite. Nice steel frame, 32 spoke wheels, upright riding position makes it a nice choice. Under your budget.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5053e826e0.jpg |
In my own romantic notion of it being "the last bike I ever buy" it would be awesome to go custom build. I had a local builder I would have liked that to happen with but he shut his doors some time back. A lot of that around here.
Anyway...would probably consider steel, disk brakes, drop bars, braze on for three bottle racks and fenders/racks front and back. Room for ~40's under the fenders. Triple front, anything 10S on the rear (or better) with a mountain bike like gearing. The GT traffic that I currently own checks many of those boxes already and cost sub $500. No real complaints. |
Skiing??
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Originally Posted by theDirtyLemon
(Post 21518855)
Skiing??
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Loaded question. It may evoke lots of ideological responses. This response may be ideological, too.
Why not a steel Italian bike? My own frame is Reynolds 531 from 1973, and it has lots of miles left in it. You might be able to buy a new Italian steel frame, a new gruppo, and maybe use your old wheels if the price gets too high. |
Originally Posted by fofinet855
(Post 21517935)
Hey everyone, first post here.
I'm looking to buy a new road/tourism/gravel bike, for hybrid use (commuting, traveling, skiing). I've checked online and found tons of possibilities, of course, with almost endless choices regarding all the possible aspects of the bike. My question here is a bit lateral, perhaps: what bike, or bikes, or kind of bike, can I expect to last the longest? Right now I'm using a Cannondale H800 from, I believe, 1994. I've been using it a lot and for a very long time, been hit by a (slow) car once, and in time I've changed almost all the components, but it's still working (frame and fork are original). I find this quite amazing: it's so old, but with some maintenance it stil serves it function. Now I want to replace it with something similar, because it's a bit too small for me, because it does show its age, and because in Italy there is a €500 bonus for buying a bike. I'm looking for something in the €1000-1500 range (but can think of going a bit higher if it's worth it). What aspects should I take into consideration regarding the likelihood that it'll last me just as long as the Cannondale? (For example: carbon vs aluminium vs steel for both frame and fork, mechanical vs fluid for the brakes, model of the derailleur, etc) I'm not a pro, I'm not obsessed with speed, I'm not looking for the highest-end components. I mostly want it to be solid, and to carry me around even with a heavy load. Thanks in advance. |
Originally Posted by blakcloud
(Post 21518440)
Something closer to your Cannondale would be something like the Jamis Coda Elite. Nice steel frame, 32 spoke wheels, upright riding position makes it a nice choice. Under your budget.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5053e826e0.jpg If you want something more "touring" you can take at this one https://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/auroraelite.html |
Originally Posted by blakcloud
(Post 21519015)
I use to bike to the ski hills to do cross country skiing. I would strap my skis and poles to the top tube ... It was a blast.
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Have you looked at Masi? They have two very well thought out touring/gravel bikes, their both called Giramondo, one is a 700c with dropbars, and the other is a 27.5 with flat bars and a bit wider tires.
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I would think about an aluminum-frame since there are many nice alu hybrids & the light weight is a nice advantage. Anyway at €1.500 price the quality & durability will generally be very good, bike & components should last a very long time except for normal things like replacing chain & bearings. In Washington DC the best local ski spot is very close to a popular cycling trail & in Utah the ski roads have bike lanes so with enough time and/or fitness, why not cycle to ski spots? No problems with car parking, maybe even camp to save cost of expensive hotels. For bike/ski trips I guess a trailer would be the easiest option.
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The quality of frame construction is so good now that steel or aluminum will make little difference long term as your Cannondale has proven. I suggest focusing on components for the "last bike". Get absolutely the best drive train and wheel components you can afford. Absolutely avoid a suspension fork. Cheap forks are just that, cheap and garbage long term. Top notch ones are great, but will need service over time, and 10 years from now parts may not be available for rebuild.
As an aside the 1995 F500 Cannondale I have still works perfectly, even the Headshock! Shimano XT components are the workhorse of the lineup and are my favorite for mountain bikes or touring bikes, and are all original on the F500 and work like new. Of course I take very good care of it, so I expect it to last 30 years. |
Thank you everyone for the very thoughtful answers. Both the Jamis and the Masi look very good. Not sure how easy it'll be to find one in Europe, though. And BTW I didn't know they still made bikes with triple crankset. Most of the choice is between single and double.
And about biking, yes, that's what I meant. I wanted to post a picture, but I'm probably not allowed to, yet, so here's a quote by Kilian Jornet, from Training for the uphill athlete. I was in school then, so I’d train early in the morning or after school, and then in the middle of the day I’d go to the gym or for a run. I used the weekends for longer training. Sometimes I’d bike to school, my skis in my backpack, and then after school I’d bike 60 kilometers to the snow, ski for two hours, and then bike home. Other days I’d run to and from school—25 kilometers each way. Thanks again. I had some ideas before starting this thread, but now I'm back to square one :D |
Dont be too quick to say it will be your last bike. I did when I bought a touring bike with a triple. I figured in my old age the granny would help me get up hills. That was 4 bikes ago. I went to a mountain bike, then a recumbent, a bigger recumbent and now a trike. I still have the LWB recumbent and the trike.
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Yeah well you never know. But I use MTBs too, and those for sure don't last that long.
Anyway, as I suspected, both Masi and Jamis bikes are basically impossible to find in Europe, at least those models. |
Whatever you choose make sure it is titanium. My bike has survived three major crashes without a scratch. It is also comfortable..
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Any bike can be a "last bike" if you quit bicycling, for whatever reason, before you get the urge to buy a new one.
All components wear out and need to be replaced, eventually. So your question becomes what frame will last the longest? Like other respondents, a steel touring bike would be one of my top choices. But if you want to go on rougher roads, you might want to look at gravel bikes (if you can find one geared appropriately low), or even a rigid mountain bike. |
Originally Posted by Surubi
(Post 21520538)
Whatever you choose make sure it is titanium. My bike has survived three major crashes without a scratch. It is also comfortable..
Id give steel the edge for ease of repairability. Can be simply welded or worked, Titanium not so much. |
Originally Posted by Toadmeister
(Post 21522275)
Titanium is not stronger than steel, they are marginally similar. Titanium has a better strength to weight ratio. Titanium may be more comfortable, owners I know say so but I haven’t ever ridden one.
Id give steel the edge for ease of repairability. Can be simply welded or worked, Titanium not so much. |
Originally Posted by Toadmeister
(Post 21522275)
Titanium is not stronger than steel, they are marginally similar. Titanium has a better strength to weight ratio. Titanium may be more comfortable, owners I know say so but I haven’t ever ridden one.
Id give steel the edge for ease of repairability. Can be simply welded or worked, Titanium not so much. |
Originally Posted by rebel1916
(Post 21523083)
Ti - Heavier than Al, weaker than steel
To the OP, what about something like a trekking bike like Scott offers https://www.scott-sports.com/us/en/p...icle=274905009 |
Two suggestions from me - firstly, a classic /vintage touring bike. It should come in well below budget, will do all that you want, and will last for a lifetime. I rode 70 miles yesterday on a 50 year old Peugeot AO-8 that has front and rear rack fixings, and a supremely comfortable ride quality.
Second suggestion is a Thorn - a Club Tourer would fit your requirements very well, although it would be slightly over budget. I see a lot of Thorn bikes on Audax rides; they look very well built and the owners are invariably very positive about the bikes. https://www.thorncycles.co.uk/bikes |
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